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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #150 on: September 21, 2014, 02:01:18 PM »
Your repeated use of the term "tree huggers" suggests that you missed my point. Not that there is anything wrong with being a tree hugger if that's what interests a person. It is just that many people think of tree huggers as being extreme environmentalist and perhaps a little off kilter. My point was most people are not the extreme end of one side or the other when it comes to environmental issues. Where do you stand?

There is nothing wrong with choosing to drive a hybrid car, which uses less fossil fuel and perhaps produces less negative impact on the
environment, while saving the owner some money on fuel. Several folks in my neighborhood have recently bought all electric cars, some as their second car which they use for short jaunts. I presume folks spending the money for a Tesla, use it as their primary vehicle.

I considered installing solar panels on my roof to offset the cost of electricity. Unfortunately, I have a shake roof which still has some life left so factoring in the cost of a new roof rendered this idea not profitable at this time. I check the energy star ratings on appliances before purchasing new ones. How efficient an appliance is, is a consideration. We recycle as much as possible rather then throwing everything in the trash, but we aren't obsessive about this. Being a financially conservative person, I admit these choices are driven more because of possible cost savings then by a desire to be environmentally conscious.

Everyone who considers their impact on the environment is not a tree hugger. Some of us are just people who try to make intelligent choices, which may or may not have a positive effect on the environment. 


I won't have this shit. This is a well reasoned obviously old man post. You must speak to people like Mcway in a negative fashion, he is a blight, as are his ilk. He is ISIS to the intellect.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #151 on: September 21, 2014, 02:09:24 PM »
I won't have this shit. This is a well reasoned obviously old man post. You must speak to people like Mcway in a negative fashion, he is a blight, as are his ilk. He is ISIS to the intellect.

How you choose to address folks is your choice. How I choose to is mine. Many people speak from a reasoned perspective, whether young or old, but thanks for complimenting me on my age, wisdom and sense of reason anyway.

Like I said, speak as you wish, but realize that being offensive to people often produces negative results. Chances are Mcway will simply tune you out. I know I do when someone comes at me from a negative fashion.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #152 on: September 21, 2014, 02:18:22 PM »
How you choose to address folks is your choice. How I choose to is mine. Many people speak from a reasoned perspective, whether young or old, but thanks for complimenting me on my age, wisdom and sense of reason anyway.

Like I said, speak as you wish, but realize that being offensive to people often produces negative results. Chances are Mcway will simply tune you out. I know I do when someone comes at me from a negative fashion.

I am aware of this fully, I go at some people like I just joked and complimented you, then I go at morons in a different manner. The truth is positive or negative tone MCWAY will tune out any conflicting information, as such, tone matters not. Thus I choose to humilate and lambast him as he is a useless human, a closed minded one.

critical and negative feedback is far more valuable then positive however, a negative approach has merits.


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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #153 on: September 21, 2014, 02:25:35 PM »
Your repeated use of the term "tree huggers" suggests that you missed my point. Not that there is anything wrong with being a tree hugger if that's what interests a person. It is just that many people think of tree huggers as being extreme environmentalist and perhaps a little off kilter. My point was most people are not the extreme end of one side or the other when it comes to environmental issues. Where do you stand?

Where I stand is this: It's common sense, not to mention (from Judeo-Christian standpoint) Biblical to take care of and have dominion over the Earth.



There is nothing wrong with choosing to drive a hybrid car, which uses less fossil fuel and perhaps produces less negative impact on the
environment, while saving the owner some money on fuel. Several folks in my neighborhood have recently bought all electric cars, some as their second car which they use for short jaunts. I presume folks spending the money for a Tesla, use it as their primary vehicle.

In and of itself, there is nothing wrong. But, there's a big difference between having such a car as a viable OPTION and attempting to mandate that all drive such cars, because otherwise, they're harming the planet. Some people like cars like the Tesla; others think they suck. your mileage may vary.



I considered installing solar panels on my roof to offset the cost of electricity. Unfortunately, I have a shake roof which still has some life left so factoring in the cost of a new roof rendered this idea not profitable at this time. I check the energy star ratings on appliances before purchasing new ones. How efficient an appliance is, is a consideration. We recycle as much as possible rather then throwing everything in the trash, but we aren't obsessive about this. Being a financially conservative person, I admit these choices are driven more because of possible cost savings then by a desire to be environmentally conscious.


I've recycled since I was a kid. In fact, I remember saving up cans to get change to buy flips (frozen Kool-aid in Styrofoam cups, for those who didn't grow up in the South), candy, and cookies. My son (now that he's 4) has taking cans and bottles to the recycling bin as a chore of his. I'm financially conservative, and socially too. To me the two go hand in hand But again, your mileage may vary.




Everyone who considers their impact on the environment is not a tree hugger. Some of us are just regular people who try to make intelligent choices, which may or may not have a positive effect on the environment.  


Considering your impact on the environment is one thing. Attempting to curtail political freedom and economic prosperity by dismantling fossil fuel sources (costing people their jobs and livelihoods, especially in the Midwest) and jacking up their energy costs (all the while, the very people who do so live high on the hog, using those very same resrouces) tends to bug me.

It's more upsetting when you find out such is being done, based on utter garbage, by people cooking the books to push their own agenda, at the average man's expense. Hearing these folks yelp about our causing the planet to burn up, when these same groups of people said the exact opposite less than 40 years ago (i.e. we'd be human popsicles) simply tells me these people are loaded with bull, with the end-goal of stripping folks of liberty and money.

Every left-winged politician, celebrity, scientist, and lobbyist will make darn sure that he/she is exempt from the very standards that would be imposed on you and me. It's no coincidence that many "treehuggers", as I call them just happen to be anti-capitalists and communists.

I heard a joke that these folks are like watermelons: Green on the outside; RED on the inside.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #154 on: September 21, 2014, 02:29:56 PM »
I am aware of this fully, I go at some people like I just joked and complimented you, then I go at morons in a different manner. The truth is positive or negative tone MCWAY will tune out any conflicting information, as such, tone matters not. Thus I choose to humilate and lambast him as he is a useless human, a closed minded one.

critical and negative feedback is far more valuable then positive however, a negative approach has merits.



If you believe Mcway will tune out any conflicting information, why do you bother conversing with him at all?

I've frequently found constructive criticism to be very productive in good communications with a great variety of people.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #155 on: September 21, 2014, 02:32:27 PM »
If you believe Mcway will tune out any conflicting information, why do you bother conversing with him at all?

I've frequently found constructive criticism to be very productive in good communications with a great variety of people.

Necrosis is one of those goofs who thinks shouting down and cursing out anyone who disagrees with him will get them to clam up or back down.

I've encountered this with liberals, long before him. He's no different and I'll deal with him, just as I have everyone else that spouts the same crap that he does.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #156 on: September 21, 2014, 02:38:02 PM »
If you believe Mcway will tune out any conflicting information, why do you bother conversing with him at all?

I've frequently found constructive criticism to be very productive in good communications with a great variety of people.

Because there are people like you reading this thread observing his bullshit and the bullshit people like him spew being smashed to pieces.

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« Reply #157 on: September 21, 2014, 02:39:12 PM »
If you believe Mcway will tune out any conflicting information, why do you bother conversing with him at all?

I've frequently found constructive criticism to be very productive in good communications with a great variety of people.

negative feedback is most important for me.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #158 on: September 21, 2014, 02:50:52 PM »
Who deleted my comment? I can't insult him? how many times in this very thread has he insulted me? this is a two way street, he is playing victim now. He has lied, played the racism card and made me out to look like a bully. Is this a grown man or a petulant child? lol.

Grow some balls.

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« Reply #159 on: September 21, 2014, 03:09:04 PM »
Where I stand is this: It's common sense, not to mention (from Judeo-Christian standpoint) Biblical to take care of and have dominion over the Earth.

In and of itself, there is nothing wrong. But, there's a big difference between having such a car as a viable OPTION and attempting to mandate that all drive such cars, because otherwise, they're harming the planet. Some people like cars like the Tesla; others think they suck. your mileage may vary.


I've recycled since I was a kid. In fact, I remember saving up cans to get change to buy flips (frozen Kool-aid in Styrofoam cups, for those who didn't grow up in the South), candy, and cookies. My son (now that he's 4) has taking cans and bottles to the recycling bin as a chore of his. I'm financially conservative, and socially too. To me the two go hand in hand But again, your mileage may vary.

Considering your impact on the environment is one thing. Attempting to curtail political freedom and economic prosperity by dismantling fossil fuel sources (costing people their jobs and livelihoods, especially in the Midwest) and jacking up their energy costs (all the while, the very people who do so live high on the hog, using those very same resrouces) tends to bug me.

It's more upsetting when you find out such is being done, based on utter garbage, by people cooking the books to push their own agenda, at the average man's expense. Hearing these folks yelp about our causing the planet to burn up, when these same groups of people said the exact opposite less than 40 years ago (i.e. we'd be human popsicles) simply tells me these people are loaded with bull, with the end-goal of stripping folks of liberty and money.

Every left-winged politician, celebrity, scientist, and lobbyist will make darn sure that he/she is exempt from the very standards that would be imposed on you and me. It's no coincidence that many "treehuggers", as I call them just happen to be anti-capitalists and communists.

I heard a joke that these folks are like watermelons: Green on the outside; RED on the inside.

Most of your response is very reasonable and rationale. I am not sure who "these folks" are. Personally, I dislike stereotyping people and it seems like you are headed in that direction with tree huggers.

I recently spent time in Germany, visiting my son and his family. Around where they live in Bavaria, there are giant windmills and fields of solar panels everywhere you look. I hadn't noticed them on previous visits, so I asked my son what had changed. Seems that after the recent mishaps with nuclear power plants around the world, Germany is working on finding other resources to produce energy. Gasoline is about $9 a gallon there. Understandably, many people buy cars that get good mileage. There is no better incentive then saving money.

I live in Oregon. Up around Hood River and in Eastern Oregon, there are wind fields (quantities of windmills in a given area) generating electricity. Near where I live in West Linn, there is a large array of solar panels just off the freeway. How viable these alternative power sources are here at this point is questionable, but then it is just beginning. Hanford nuclear power plant shut down many years ago because it was in disrepair and supposedly a threat to the environment. No doubt, many people lost their jobs when this happened. Times change.  

Do you suppose automobile manufacturers would be building vehicles which use less fuel if there was no governmental pressure to do so?  Is there a movement to mandate which vehicles we drive? Although, a few people seem to be interested in environmentally friendly vehicles, there are still plenty of gas guzzling SUV's and monster trucks around. I am all for people having choices. In fact, I have spoken out against some of the seat belt laws because I have yet to hear an argument that convinces me my not wearing one jeopardizes others. I do think they should be enforced for children though. My gripe is laws that seem only to protect me from harming myself.

To finish this reply on a positive note, I read in the Oregonian where the cost of gas is expected to decline in Oregon, Washington and California this fall to a little over $3 a gallon. It has been up around $4 since last spring. Seems the west coast refineries are running smoothly for a change, the special summer fuel mix ends for the year and there crude oil prices are down worldwide. It was also mentioned in the article that with the increase in vehicles which use less fuel, consumption is down from what it was a few years ago.  

 

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #160 on: September 21, 2014, 03:14:13 PM »
Necrosis is one of those goofs who thinks shouting down and cursing out anyone who disagrees with him will get them to clam up or back down.

I've encountered this with liberals, long before him. He's no different and I'll deal with him, just as I have everyone else that spouts the same crap that he does.

Hmm. Most of the liberal thinking people I know are relatively mild mannered and not particularly aggressive acting. Are you suggesting most liberals tend to be shouters and cursers? Perhaps the folks I know who call themselves liberal are really just moderates.

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« Reply #161 on: September 21, 2014, 03:17:06 PM »
Because there are people like you reading this thread observing his bullshit and the bullshit people like him spew being smashed to pieces.

Is there no middle ground? It seems to me, the future is in folks coming together on issues. Compromise has great value.

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« Reply #162 on: September 21, 2014, 03:24:00 PM »
Because there are people like you reading this thread observing his bullshit and the bullshit people like him spew being smashed to pieces.

I don't believe the folks at either end of the spectrum think of their views as bullshit. If they did, they would abandon them.

We live in the information age. It is possible for anyone to defend whatever position they take and to cite "proof" of said position. Unfortunately, not all the information we find is accurate....a lot of it is manipulated to prove a point. This is why I keep referring to the middle ground. The further one goes to the extremes, the more likely there is some "bullshit" involved.

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« Reply #163 on: September 21, 2014, 03:29:57 PM »
Is there no middle ground? It seems to me, the future is in folks coming together on issues. Compromise has great value.

Sure, not on matters of fact.

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« Reply #164 on: September 22, 2014, 09:33:58 AM »
Who deleted my comment? I can't insult him? how many times in this very thread has he insulted me? this is a two way street, he is playing victim now. He has lied, played the racism card and made me out to look like a bully. Is this a grown man or a petulant child? lol.

Grow some balls.

I have no idea who deleted your post. So, save that wailing for someone else. I didn't go to any moderator. The last post I did here yesterday was my reply to Primemuscle.

Did YOU used another racial slur (or at least, what the mods deem such) in your foolish attempt to mock me and got popped for it? If you did, don't bleat and whine about it.

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« Reply #165 on: September 22, 2014, 09:39:47 AM »
Because there are people like you reading this thread observing his bullshit and the bullshit people like him spew being smashed to pieces.

Dream on, Necrosis. They see you throwing a hissy fit, because you can't browbeat people with your treehugging bilge.

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« Reply #166 on: September 22, 2014, 09:50:11 AM »
Most of your response is very reasonable and rationale. I am not sure who "these folks" are. Personally, I dislike stereotyping people and it seems like you are headed in that direction with tree huggers.

I recently spent time in Germany, visiting my son and his family. Around where they live in Bavaria, there are giant windmills and fields of solar panels everywhere you look. I hadn't noticed them on previous visits, so I asked my son what had changed. Seems that after the recent mishaps with nuclear power plants around the world, Germany is working on finding other resources to produce energy. Gasoline is about $9 a gallon there. Understandably, many people buy cars that get good mileage. There is no better incentive then saving money.

I live in Oregon. Up around Hood River and in Eastern Oregon, there are wind fields (quantities of windmills in a given area) generating electricity. Near where I live in West Linn, there is a large array of solar panels just off the freeway. How viable these alternative power sources are here at this point is questionable, but then it is just beginning. Hanford nuclear power plant shut down many years ago because it was in disrepair and supposedly a threat to the environment. No doubt, many people lost their jobs when this happened. Times change.  

Do you suppose automobile manufacturers would be building vehicles which use less fuel if there was no governmental pressure to do so?  Is there a movement to mandate which vehicles we drive? Although, a few people seem to be interested in environmentally friendly vehicles, there are still plenty of gas guzzling SUV's and monster trucks around. I am all for people having choices. In fact, I have spoken out against some of the seat belt laws because I have yet to hear an argument that convinces me my not wearing one jeopardizes others. I do think they should be enforced for children though. My gripe is laws that seem only to protect me from harming myself.

To finish this reply on a positive note, I read in the Oregonian where the cost of gas is expected to decline in Oregon, Washington and California this fall to a little over $3 a gallon. It has been up around $4 since last spring. Seems the west coast refineries are running smoothly for a change, the special summer fuel mix ends for the year and there crude oil prices are down worldwide. It was also mentioned in the article that with the increase in vehicles which use less fuel, consumption is down from what it was a few years ago.  

 

Thanks. If there were any doubt as to what I said about this mess being more political than about actually saving the planet, check this treehugging hoedown in New York City.

You'll see signs like "Capitalism is the disease; Socialism is the cure."

And, as I've said from the start, these folks want everyone ELSE to surrender their freedom and wealth.....WHILE THEY HOLD ON TO  THEIRS!

Case in point: Robert Kennedy, Jr. and Leonardo DiCaprio Notice his response when asked if he plans on giving up his goodies to help the planet from being baked.


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/09/watch_rfk_jr_lose_it_at_climate_change_march_when_confronted_about_his_hypocrisy.html

Did I mention the "F--- the Police" songs or the facts that these green guys who are oh-so-concerned about the planet LEFT THE PLACE AN ABSOLUTE MESS?


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/21/f-the-police-communists-radicals-spotted-throughout-climate-march-in-new-york-city-demand-revolution-nothing-less/

I didn't mean to ignore your question. I believe that car companies would make more fuel-efficient cars, if/when the see their competitors doing the same and making money, hand over fist.

SUVs went big because they were seen as He-Man luxury vehicles, fuel consumption be damned. Besides, gas in the early 2000s was cheap. I remember when I briefly lived in Georgia that gas was $0.87 a gallon (back in 2002)

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #167 on: September 22, 2014, 10:18:33 AM »
I have no idea who deleted your post. So, save that wailing for someone else. I didn't go to any moderator. The last post I did here yesterday was my reply to Primemuscle.

YOU used a racial slur (or at least, what the mods deem such) in your foolish attempt to mock me and got popped for it. So don't bleat and whine about it.


I asked who deleted my post, I know you cannot so why you took it like that I dont know.

japs? we took back the word, we use it in the street now when talking to each other. Get a life. My post telling you to watch your tone bitch had no racial slurs.

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« Reply #168 on: September 22, 2014, 10:20:16 AM »
Dream on, Necrosis. They see you throwing a hissy fit, because you can't browbeat people with your treehugging bilge.

Oh you're beat down alright. you have been exposed as intellectually dishonest.

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« Reply #169 on: September 22, 2014, 10:21:48 AM »
Thanks. If there were any doubt as to what I said about this mess being more political than about actually saving the planet, check this treehugging hoedown in New York City.

You'll see signs like "Capitalism is the disease; Socialism is the cure."

And, as I've said from the start, these folks want everyone ELSE to surrender their freedom and wealth.....WHILE THEY HOLD ON TO  THEIRS!

Case in point: Robert Kennedy, Jr. and Leonardo DiCaprio Notice his response when asked if he plans on giving up his goodies to help the planet from being baked.


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/09/watch_rfk_jr_lose_it_at_climate_change_march_when_confronted_about_his_hypocrisy.html

Did I mention the "F--- the Police" songs or the facts that these green guys who are oh-so-concerned about the planet LEFT THE PLACE AN ABSOLUTE MESS?


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/21/f-the-police-communists-radicals-spotted-throughout-climate-march-in-new-york-city-demand-revolution-nothing-less/

I didn't mean to ignore your a uestion. I believe that car companies would make more fuel-efficient cars, if/when the see their competitors doing the same and making money, hand over fist.

SUVs went big because they were seen as He-Man luxury vehicles, fuel consumption be damned. Besides, gas in the early 2000s was cheap. I remember when I briefly lived in Georgia that gas was $0.87 a gallon (back in 2002)

again, what the fuck do they have to do with anything? communists? lololololol.

the answer isn't stop using everything it's to figure out how to continue on without incidence, any sane person would agree with this. The answer has to come from the top down.

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #170 on: September 22, 2014, 10:22:26 AM »
I asked who deleted my post, I know you cannot so why you took it like that I dont know.

japs? we took back the word, we use it in the street now when talking to each other. Get a life. My post telling you to watch your tone bitch had no racial slurs.

And what are you going to do if I don't watch my tone, hold your breath until you turn blue?

Not invite me to your birthday party?

Unleash you treehugging wrath upon me with anger and furious silliness?

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« Reply #171 on: September 22, 2014, 10:25:13 AM »
Oh you're beat down alright. you have been exposed as intellectually dishonest.

Not even close. You're the one, throwing tantrums and getting your posts deleted.

Again, what are you going to do if I don't "watch my tone"?

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #172 on: September 22, 2014, 10:33:13 AM »
Global Warming is for losers  ;)

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Re: Global warming myth is dead: More cold temperatures, no hurricanes
« Reply #173 on: September 22, 2014, 10:36:24 AM »
Thanks. If there were any doubt as to what I said about this mess being more political than about actually saving the planet, check this treehugging hoedown in New York City.

You'll see signs like "Capitalism is the disease; Socialism is the cure."

And, as I've said from the start, these folks want everyone ELSE to surrender their freedom and wealth.....WHILE THEY HOLD ON TO  THEIRS!

Case in point: Robert Kennedy, Jr. and Leonardo DiCaprio Notice his response when asked if he plans on giving up his goodies to help the planet from being baked.


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/09/watch_rfk_jr_lose_it_at_climate_change_march_when_confronted_about_his_hypocrisy.html

Did I mention the "F--- the Police" songs or the facts that these green guys who are oh-so-concerned about the planet LEFT THE PLACE AN ABSOLUTE MESS?


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/21/f-the-police-communists-radicals-spotted-throughout-climate-march-in-new-york-city-demand-revolution-nothing-less/

I didn't mean to ignore your a uestion. I believe that car companies would make more fuel-efficient cars, if/when the see their competitors doing the same and making money, hand over fist.

SUVs went big because they were seen as He-Man luxury vehicles, fuel consumption be damned. Besides, gas in the early 2000s was cheap. I remember when I briefly lived in Georgia that gas was $0.87 a gallon (back in 2002)

I agree that some causes attract the worst of society. Case in point, the 99% who camped in a Portland park across from city hall for months until the mayor finally found a way to evict them. The clean-up cost the city and the tax payers dearly. On top of that, some of those people who were actually homeless (and likely not because they had been foreclosed on, but rather because homelessness was their lifestyle), have moved to a homeless camp created by the city to accommodate them. Often when people would lose their homes due to unpaid mortgages, homeless squatters calling themselves the 99% moved into the vacant properties and turned them into a squalor. This is still happening today and the economy has supposedly turned around.

When these things happen, it is a shame and the point of the cause gets lost. The mortgage industry is at least somewhat responsible for our economy have gone tits up. People who over-extended their credit are also to blame. Throughout the housing boom, houses kept getting larger and more luxurious. People foolishly bought into the idea that everyone is entitled to live large whether they could afford it or not. It was a gamble and lots of folks lost.  Rather than accept responsibility, they looked for others to blame. Not taking responsibility for one's choices seems to be engrained in today's culture, unfortunately.


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« Reply #174 on: September 22, 2014, 10:38:34 AM »
again, what the fuck do they have to do with anything? communists? lololololol.

the answer isn't stop using everything it's to figure out how to continue on without incidence, any sane person would agree with this. The answer has to come from the top down.

Try investing in Reader Rabbit; you could use it.

Of course, the "answer" isn't to stop using everything, O senseless one.

The point, which you missed by a country mile, is the very treehuggers who want others to stop using fossil fuels CONSUME those very fuels (in massive amounts) themselves.

These goofs supposedly hate capitalism....  While those among their ranks hock T-Shirts and hats and mSke a killing. And of course, there's the socialism routine. The poor treehuggers think they'll benefit by taking other people's money; the rich ones think they'll be exempt from being bilked by their broke brethren.

BTW, if they loathe the greedy rich and fossil fuel over consumers so much, why are Kennedy and DiCaprio still upright? Why aren't the hoarded masses picking them clean?