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Carly Fiorina actively explores 2016 presidential run
« on: November 26, 2014, 04:00:40 AM »
Carly Fiorina actively explores 2016 presidential run but faces GOP critics
By Philip Rucker and Matea Gold   
 
On a Republican presidential debate stage expected to be filled with more than a dozen current and former politicians, Carly Fiorina envisions herself standing out — as the only woman and the only CEO.

Sensing an opportunity in a crowded field that lacks a front-runner, the former Hewlett-Packard chief executive is actively exploring a 2016 presidential run. Fiorina has been talking privately with potential donors, recruiting campaign staffers, courting grass-roots activists in early caucus and primary states and planning trips to Iowa and New Hampshire starting next week.

Fiorina, whose rise from secretary to Silicon Valley corporate chief during the dot-com boom brought her national attention, has refashioned herself as a hard-charging partisan hoping to strike a sharp contrast with the sea of suited men seeking the GOP nomination.

But Fiorina, 60, has considerable challenges, chiefly that she has sought but never held public office. Lingering disarray from her last campaign could also haunt her next one, undercutting her image as an effective manager. Fiorina still owes nearly $500,000 to consultants and staffers from her failed 2010 Senate bid in California — debts that have left some former associates bitter.

Privately, several prominent Republicans spoke about Fiorina with disdain, saying she has an elevated assessment of her political talents and questioning her qualifications to be commander in chief.

But allies defended Fiorina’s credentials, saying she would make a strong contender.

“She’s very articulate, she’s very thoughtful and has a very positive message,” said David Carney, who has been a top strategist for past GOP presidential candidates and whose wife worked with Fiorina this year in New Hampshire. “She’s got just as much of a record of accomplishment and a story and ideas as anybody else who’s running.”

Carney drew a comparison between Fiorina, a free-market advocate, and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), a populist firebrand: “She’s sort of the antidote to the Elizabeth Warren arguments from the left.”

In June, Fiorina started the Unlocking Potential PAC with a mission of galvanizing female voters and beefing up the GOP’s ground game. The super PAC made modest investments in four Senate races while funding Fiorina’s travel to presidential battlegrounds such as Colorado, Iowa and New Hampshire. “She left people wanting more,” said Angie Hughes, the group’s Iowa director. “We did a lot of things that would be helpful to anyone wanting to run for president.”

This month, Fiorina sent handwritten notes to some Iowa activists thanking them for their help with her super PAC and looking forward to “the next phase.”

Asked this month on NBC’s “Meet the Press” about her 2016 plans, Fiorina said: “When people keep asking you over and over again, you have to pause and reflect. So I’ll pause and reflect at the right time.”

Fiorina plans to visit New Hampshire in early December to address a group of businesses chaired by Rep.-elect Frank Guinta (R-N.H.) and return to Iowa in January to address the Iowa Freedom Summit, co-hosted by Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) and the group Citizens United. In February, Fiorina will address the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington.


Helping Fiorina chart her political future are consultants Frank Sadler, who once worked for Koch Industries, and Stephen DeMaura, a strategist who heads Americans for Job Security, a pro-business advocacy group in Virginia.

Since her Senate bid, Fiorina has moved to Virginia, living with her husband, Frank, in Lorton. Her advisers, who requested anonymity to speak candidly, said she is taking the steps necessary to prepare for a presidential campaign.

One adviser said that “the challenges are obvious” but that Fiorina sees an opportunity to run as a “non-politician offering a unique perspective.” The adviser added, “She certainly has the fire in the belly to be involved.”

Fiorina declined through an adviser to be interviewed.

Some prominent Republicans said it would be helpful for the party to have a woman running for president, especially considering the expected candidacy of Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Democratic side. But they questioned whether Fiorina is the right woman.

At Hewlett-Packard, Fiorina was a pioneering executive — the first female CEO of a Fortune 50 company — but her high-profile tenure was controversial. In 2005, after a merger with Compaq, she was forced to resign.

After serving as a prominent surrogate for Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in his 2008 presidential campaign, Fiorina made her first run for elected office in 2010, challenging Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.). She staked out conservative positions to the right of California’s mainstream — opposing abortion rights and efforts to cut greenhouse gases, for example — and lost to Boxer by 10 points.


Reed Galen, a California-based Republican strategist, said Fiorina is “obviously very interesting, very dynamic and, as one of the first female CEOs, has a good story to tell.” Asked to describe her base within the GOP primary electorate, Galen said: “I’m not sure. My inability to answer shows you how hard a road she has.”

Fiorina will also have to contend with questions about the post-election management of her 2010 campaign committee.

The organization, Carly for California, still owed vendors nearly $500,000 as of the end of September, according to Federal Election Commission filings. The committee’s outstanding debts included more than $80,000 to strategist Martin Wilson and his former firm; $43,000 owed to D.C. law firm Patton Boggs, where campaign counsel Benjamin Ginsberg worked at the time; $36,000 to fundraiser Renee Croce; $5,000 to press aide Jennifer Kerns; and $7,500 to political director Jeff Corless.

The Fiorina campaign also owed $30,000 to Joe Shumate, a storied political strategist in California who served as Fiorina’s senior adviser and died one month before Election Day in 2010.

Fiorina “hasn’t really communicated with anybody in 18 months about how she intends to deal with the campaign debt,” said Wilson, now a vice president at the California Chamber of Commerce. “Hopefully, if she gets more serious about running for another office, she’ll revisit the issue and get some of those bills paid off.”

When Fiorina declared her candidacy for Senate in 2009, she filed paperwork pegging her net worth at between $30 million and $120 million. She donated $5.2 million to her campaign and lent it an additional $1.5 million, for which she was repaid, according to FEC records.

Fiorina’s new Unlocking Potential PAC has raised $1.7 million in less than five months, mostly from a small number of wealthy donors who wrote five- and six-figure checks.

The super PAC spent less than half its funds directly on campaign activity, making $512,000 in independent expenditures in Senate races in Colorado, Iowa, New Hampshire and North Carolina, according to FEC data compiled by the Sunlight Foundation. Its biggest investment was in Iowa, where the group spent a little more than $200,000 on ads, phone calls and staff to boost Republican Joni Ernst.

Meanwhile, the Unlocking Potential PAC spent $333,000 on consulting fees through mid-October, paying a dozen different vendors for fundraising, media, research and political strategy services, according to FEC data analyzed by The Washington Post.

Allies warned that Fiorina needs to consider the difficult mechanics of running a presidential campaign before jumping in.

“There will always be professionals out there looking to land the golden nugget of politics, which is a presidential campaign, and they’ll be whispering sweet nothings in your ear, but you’ve got to come up with that $20 million or $30 million,” said Al Cardenas, a former chairman of the American Conservative Union.

But, he added, “by virtue of the fact that she’s a credible national figure and the only woman candidate out of 19, she should get her due attention at the outset.”

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Re: Carly Fiorina actively explores 2016 presidential run
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2014, 04:59:17 AM »
Obviously angling for a cabinet appointment (assuming a GOP win), but her record is spotty at best.  She was not considered successful at HP, she ran a weak campaign against Boxer (and lost), and she has substantial debts from the last campaign.  Granted that is not unusual these days, but it seriously undercuts the very premise of her candidacy: that she is an effective manager who is fiscally responsible.  There should be a couple women in the GOP field but Fiorina is not a good choice for the party to put forward.  Why any donor would support her is hard to imagine. :(

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Re: Carly Fiorina actively explores 2016 presidential run
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2014, 02:54:34 PM »
Women belong in the kitchen.  They are emotionally unstable baby factories and their decisions are often made by their vaginas.  I wouldn't trust a woman to run a Chick-fil-a, let alone the country.

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Re: Carly Fiorina actively explores 2016 presidential run
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2014, 04:19:36 PM »
Obviously angling for a cabinet appointment (assuming a GOP win), but her record is spotty at best.  She was not considered successful at HP, she ran a weak campaign against Boxer (and lost), and she has substantial debts from the last campaign.  Granted that is not unusual these days, but it seriously undercuts the very premise of her candidacy: that she is an effective manager who is fiscally responsible.  There should be a couple women in the GOP field but Fiorina is not a good choice for the party to put forward.  Why any donor would support her is hard to imagine. :(

I think she could be one of the top 3 voices in the GOP in 2016.

She's not a weak candidate, but in a field without any superpower heavyweights, she could sneak on in.

Plus it'll be 5 minutes before the RNC/GOP/FOX alienates the base for a 3rd straight presidential election by shitting on Rand and Cruz, so someone will have to move on up. 

Is she running as far-right, or RINO?

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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2014, 06:01:12 PM »
I think she could be one of the top 3 voices in the GOP in 2016.

She's not a weak candidate
, but in a field without any superpower heavyweights, she could sneak on in.

Plus it'll be 5 minutes before the RNC/GOP/FOX alienates the base for a 3rd straight presidential election by shitting on Rand and Cruz, so someone will have to move on up.  

Is she running as far-right, or RINO?

If that is true the party is worse off than previously thought.  Fiorina is a very weak candidate.  She is all ego and no substance.  Again, not entirely unusual, but the supposed premise of her candidacy (her past business execution) is one of failure.  NO one thinks she was effective at HP.  She is famous for three things: 1) the Compaq merger 2) outsourcing jobs and 3) getting herself fired.  If we were to add a #4 to the list it would be for losing to Barbara Boxer.  She has never run a successful campaign.  And now she thinks she can run for President?  Um, no.

After losing to Boxer, Fiorina immediately moved to Virginia.  It appears she was determined to get close to Washington win or lose.   Like Meg Whitman, Fiorina is the definition of a flawed candidate. ::)

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Re: Carly Fiorina actively explores 2016 presidential run
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2014, 08:55:56 PM »
Fiorina is a very weak candidate.  She is all ego and no substance.

Palin was ALL ego.  And very little substance, outside of abandoning her RINO roots and becoming a conservative suddenly in 2008, when convenient.  She had terrible RINO/amnesty/global warming beliefs - until mccain needed a far-right balance, and an  unknown like her was able to adopt those positions fast. 

And today, Palin could probably STILL win the nomination, over MUCH more qualified people, due to her EGO< personality, and the fact she is a woman - there are lots of repubs that treated her as a sex object, still posting hot pics of her.  many repubs would choose palin or any other female because they choose candidates on external appearances.

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2014, 02:42:16 AM »
Palin was ALL ego.  And very little substance, outside of abandoning her RINO roots and becoming a conservative suddenly in 2008, when convenient.  She had terrible RINO/amnesty/global warming beliefs - until mccain needed a far-right balance, and an  unknown like her was able to adopt those positions fast. 

And today, Palin could probably STILL win the nomination, over MUCH more qualified people, due to her EGO< personality, and the fact she is a woman - there are lots of repubs that treated her as a sex object, still posting hot pics of her.  many repubs would choose palin or any other female because they choose candidates on external appearances.

Being a big fish in a small pond does not mean one is competitive on a national stage.  Whatever "standards" they have in Alaska, Palin apparently met them.  She held a city council seat for four years and served as Mayor from 96-02 before becoming Governor.  That said, Palin most certainly could not with the nomination now.  In a complicated world, even GOP voters want a President who doesn't think being asked to name two newspapers is a trick question.

What is Carly's political background/experience?  One does not "start" by running for President.  Ben Carson will face the same disqualification despite his impressive professional resume.

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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2014, 03:48:14 AM »
Being a big fish in a small pond does not mean one is competitive on a national stage.  Whatever "standards" they have in Alaska, Palin apparently met them.  She held a city council seat for four years and served as Mayor from 96-02 before becoming Governor.  That said, Palin most certainly could not with the nomination now.  In a complicated world, even GOP voters want a President who doesn't think being asked to name two newspapers is a trick question.

What is Carly's political background/experience?  One does not "start" by running for President.  Ben Carson will face the same disqualification despite his impressive professional resume.

Hermann cain ran a pizza company and hid lesbian lovers for years.  Trump is a tv personality and real estate "tycoon".  The GOP would have chosen either of them, had the primaries been a month or two earlier.  Romney was hot at the right time, but in a world where Cain answers everything 9-9-9 and repubs outright denied 14 accusers lol.... and he led by 30 points, 8 weeks before primaries?   WTF?

Well, Fiorina could win the nomination in a heartbeat.  They'd choose Palin again, if FOX news hosts told them the libs were scared of her.  And they'd choose Ted nugent if they could.  They'd choose joe the plumber.  They'd probably elect Charlton Heston's grandson (whoever he is), having never heard him speak, if "Charlton Heston III" appeared on the ballot.

The extreme base on both sides doesn't vote intelligently.  They vote red meat, anger, and anything they can do piss off "the libs" or "the tea baggers".  They wanted to hand the nuclear football to 9-9-9 Cain because they hated obama more.

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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2014, 04:02:20 AM »
Hermann cain ran a pizza company and hid lesbian lovers for years.  Trump is a tv personality and real estate "tycoon".  The GOP would have chosen either of them, had the primaries been a month or two earlier.  Romney was hot at the right time, but in a world where Cain answers everything 9-9-9 and repubs outright denied 14 accusers lol.... and he led by 30 points, 8 weeks before primaries?   WTF?

Well, Fiorina could win the nomination in a heartbeat.  They'd choose Palin again, if FOX news hosts told them the libs were scared of her.  And they'd choose Ted nugent if they could.  They'd choose joe the plumber.  They'd probably elect Charlton Heston's grandson (whoever he is), having never heard him speak, if "Charlton Heston III" appeared on the ballot.

The extreme base on both sides doesn't vote intelligently.  They vote red meat, anger, and anything they can do piss off "the libs" or "the tea baggers".  They wanted to hand the nuclear football to 9-9-9 Cain because they hated obama more.

There are a lot of "if"s in that post.  Care to put your money where you mouth is?  I'll wager almost anything that Carly will not be the nominee.

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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2014, 10:21:09 AM »
There are a lot of "if"s in that post.  Care to put your money where you mouth is?  I'll wager almost anything that Carly will not be the nominee.

I'd guess the repubs are silly enough to choose another RINO, most likely.   Christie or Perry or whoever.  I'm just saying they're also entirely capable of choosing whoever FOX tells them is "hot" at the moment.  Or "The libs really hate this one", and they'll back a dude named Josef Stalin if MSNBC is bashing him.

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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2014, 11:11:49 AM »
I'd guess the repubs are silly enough to choose another RINO, most likely.   Christie or Perry or whoever.  I'm just saying they're also entirely capable of choosing whoever FOX tells them is "hot" at the moment.  Or "The libs really hate this one", and they'll back a dude named Josef Stalin if MSNBC is bashing him.

So you are saying that conservative viewers like Fox.  That's not exactly a groundbreaking prediction. How about something a little more daring: pick the the GOP nominee--now!  OR the top two.  Saying conservatives follow Fox news is like saying water is wet.   ::)

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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2014, 12:18:52 PM »
So you are saying that conservative viewers like Fox.  That's not exactly a groundbreaking prediction. How about something a little more daring: pick the the GOP nominee--now!  OR the top two.  Saying conservatives follow Fox news is like saying water is wet.   ::)

True conservatives have stayed home on election day in 08 and 2012.  They vote in the off-years, but they can't vote for someone that really violates their wedge issue beliefs.  Romney had 3-4 serious liberal positions, and the base didn't bother going to vote. 

Anyway, I think the pick will be a wounded Perry, still.  I'd love to see Cruz vs Warren in a true extreme showdown, but I think it'll be Clinton against Perry or Christie or some piss-warm RINO once again.   We can't tell much between the meaningful positions of Clinton verses a Christie, but hey, that's what we've been getting. 

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2014, 03:16:06 AM »
True conservatives have stayed home on election day in 08 and 2012.  They vote in the off-years, but they can't vote for someone that really violates their wedge issue beliefs.  Romney had 3-4 serious liberal positions, and the base didn't bother going to vote. 

Anyway, I think the pick will be a wounded Perry, still.  I'd love to see Cruz vs Warren in a true extreme showdown, but I think it'll be Clinton against Perry or Christie or some piss-warm RINO once again.   We can't tell much between the meaningful positions of Clinton verses a Christie, but hey, that's what we've been getting. 

Interesting.  I predict it will not be Perry.  No matter how he performs in the next campaign cycle, he will still be stained by his performance in the previous one.  In the internet age of talking heads and youtube videos he will never be able to escape our memory of that.  His accent reminds the electorate that he is a governor from Texas and the country is still recovering from the last one.  The country will not be eager for another hangover when we are still recovering from the last one.  Big money donors (and more importantly, voters) will not give Perry the nod.  At least that is my prediction.

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Re: Carly Fiorina actively explores 2016 presidential run
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2014, 11:28:15 AM »
The person that desperately wants to be president is exactly the person you DON'T need within a fucking million mile radius of the white house.
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Re: Carly Fiorina actively explores 2016 presidential run
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2014, 07:02:55 PM »
Obviously angling for a cabinet appointment (assuming a GOP win), but her record is spotty at best.  She was not considered successful at HP, she ran a weak campaign against Boxer (and lost), and she has substantial debts from the last campaign.  Granted that is not unusual these days, but it seriously undercuts the very premise of her candidacy: that she is an effective manager who is fiscally responsible.  There should be a couple women in the GOP field but Fiorina is not a good choice for the party to put forward.  Why any donor would support her is hard to imagine. :(

I really don't care if she runs or not. But during her time at HP the company took a bit of a dive from the dot com era. I can't think of one successful CEO of a major company that doesn't have a "spotty" record. But regardless, we need someone with a business background not a lifetime politician who can't add 2+2.

I knew about her back in 98' when I was a commercial roof consultant and inspector. I had to meet with her for a brief time when I was contracted as a consultant on the roof system for the HP buildings in Nor Cal. And before anyone chimes in with "why would she meet with a someone about that" it's because it was huge job that involved almost everyone.

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Re: Carly Fiorina actively explores 2016 presidential run
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2014, 08:46:58 PM »
But regardless, we need someone with a business background not a lifetime politician who can't add 2+2.

Rick Perry disagrees, as the quotes below show. 

Visiting the Iowa state fair Monday morning, Rick Perry shot back at Mitt Romney’s claim that only a candidate with a Romney-style business background is right to lead the GOP in 2012.

Asked by Jonathan Martin to address Romney’s comment in New Hampshire today that the GOP nominee will need experience in the “real economy,” Perry “I’m thinkin’ Texas is the real economy.”

At the Iowa GOP booth, Perry urged reporters to compare his record in government with Romney’s.

“Running a state is different from running a business,” he said, according to Ben Smith. “Take a look at his record when he was governor, take a look at my record when I was governor.”

“Give him my love,” Perry said, blowing kisses at the camera.

“Understanding how that process works, but more importantly making that process work, of which we have done in Texas, is inarguably better than ... anyone who is aspiring to be the president,” he said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61402.html#ixzz1V7aiBqut

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Re: Carly Fiorina actively explores 2016 presidential run
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2014, 08:52:52 PM »
But regardless, we need someone with a business background not a lifetime politician who can't add 2+2.

I used to think we needed a "business" president.  But the best ones were not.  And two 20th century businessmen who did became president - GW Bush and Hoover - also ushered in great depression I and II. 

The biggest job creator of modern times was scumbag Bill Clinton, a scumbag lawyer and politician.  FDR, Eisenhower, all the great ones took different paths. 

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/31/the-wrong-resume/?_r=0

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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2014, 04:16:16 AM »
I really don't care if she runs or not. But during her time at HP the company took a bit of a dive from the dot com era. I can't think of one successful CEO of a major company that doesn't have a "spotty" record. But regardless, we need someone with a business background not a lifetime politician who can't add 2+2.

I knew about her back in 98' when I was a commercial roof consultant and inspector. I had to meet with her for a brief time when I was contracted as a consultant on the roof system for the HP buildings in Nor Cal. And before anyone chimes in with "why would she meet with a someone about that" it's because it was huge job that involved almost everyone.

Stop making a fool of yourself!  Simply having experience in business does not mean one can A) run an effective campaign (Fiorina, Whitman, Romney, Poizner to name a few business people all ran horrendous campaigns) or B) be effective in office.  Bush had the business experience you covet and he was by almost any measure a total failure in office.  The most celebrated GOP president in our lifetime did not have a business background; he was an actor.  ::)

The other day in another forum, someone said Ben Carson could not be President because he didn't have the (business) background to understand the complex web of issues he would face as President.  Um, hello... the man is literally a brain surgeon and has more native intelligence than Bush, Cheney, Bush I, and Reagan combined.

I wonder at times if facts even matter to some of you.  :-[

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Re: Carly Fiorina actively explores 2016 presidential run
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2014, 04:41:23 AM »
the 'business background' myth is just that, a myth.  The only two 'business' presidents of the last century delivered great depression 1 and 2. 

Prez has people to deal with higher level economics, and anyone with a good education can understand most basic concepts.  What we need is a person who can manage all the various pieces of govt with an overall vision for the nation - and the backbone not to cave to RINOs and lobbyists. 


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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2014, 04:45:06 AM »
the 'business background' myth is just that, a myth.  The only two 'business' presidents of the last century delivered great depression 1 and 2. 

Prez has people to deal with higher level economics, and anyone with a good education can understand most basic concepts.  What we need is a person who can manage all the various pieces of govt with an overall vision for the nation - and the backbone not to cave to RINOs and lobbyists. 

Surprise!  We agree.

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Re: Carly Fiorina actively explores 2016 presidential run
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2014, 08:46:40 AM »
Stop making a fool of yourself!  Simply having experience in business does not mean one can A) run an effective campaign (Fiorina, Whitman, Romney, Poizner to name a few business people all ran horrendous campaigns) or B) be effective in office.  Bush had the business experience you covet and he was by almost any measure a total failure in office.  The most celebrated GOP president in our lifetime did not have a business background; he was an actor.  ::)

The other day in another forum, someone said Ben Carson could not be President because he didn't have the (business) background to understand the complex web of issues he would face as President.  Um, hello... the man is literally a brain surgeon and has more native intelligence than Bush, Cheney, Bush I, and Reagan combined.

I wonder at times if facts even matter to some of you.  :-[

You're joking right? When I say experience I'm not talking about someone that runs a McDonalds store. People who are leaders in business (like a Fiorina or a Romney) are less likely to make stupid decisions when it come spending instead of just spending on a whim. As for Bush, you're perception of a failed President is coming from your "progressive" side. Fortunately Bush is being proven right almost on a daily basis.

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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2014, 09:43:46 AM »
You're joking right? When I say experience I'm not talking about someone that runs a McDonalds store. People who are leaders in business (like a Fiorina or a Romney) are less likely to make stupid decisions when it come spending instead of just spending on a whim. As for Bush, you're perception of a failed President is coming from your "progressive" side. Fortunately Bush is being proven right almost on a daily basis.

I suppose you also think Michael Brown (NOLA) Rumsfeld (Iraq) were doing great jobs?  I don't think the 4000+ servicemen and women (and their families), who died during a war virtually everyone now agrees was unnecessary, think Bush was "proven right."  In addition to wasted lives (100,000-500,000 innocent Iraq's died during the war) the U.S. wasted more than a trillion dollars on the Iraq war.  Bush never caught Osama Bin Laden and publicly admitted that he wasn't even thinking about him.  Under Bush the housing market collapsed, banking collapsed, insurance collapsed, the auto industry collapsed... the list goes on and on.  Clearly we measure success differently.  So be it.

Few people in California were impressed with Fiorina.  And even fewer who worked at HP or had stock in it were impressed with her "leadership" in business.  As for Romney... well... his tenure as Massachusetts governor says it all.  Here's a hint: he was only elected once and he never talks about his record as governor. ::)

There are plenty of failures in business.  Business experience alone does not equal success in political office.

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Re: Carly Fiorina actively explores 2016 presidential run
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2014, 11:04:47 AM »
She is a globalist, money-funneling thief. She and her partners-in-crime would strip and loot America from the inside, before bidding everyone a ta-ta as they run away with the goods.

Coach: I've heard from more than a few people, that you're a very likable guy IRL. It impressed me enough to stop picking on you and your ideas. But fact is, you take whatever you're told on FOX and Clear Channel, and you run with it. That's all you do.

By the way, I was into commercial roofing, too, as a youngster in the 90s. That shit is a real workout.

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Re: Carly Fiorina actively explores 2016 presidential run
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2014, 11:17:16 AM »
People who are leaders in business (like a Fiorina or a Romney) are less likely to make stupid decisions when it come spending

WTF?   Hoover and Bush made decisions that led to the great depression and the 2008 collapse.  They were the Presidents who had years to fix things, and instead the economy collapsed.

I hate clinton, I like Bush, reagan was cool for a RINO - all of them made way better biz decisions than the MBA president Dubya.  That Dubya spent like a liberal.

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Re: Carly Fiorina actively explores 2016 presidential run
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2014, 11:19:20 AM »
Coach:  But fact is, you take whatever you're told on FOX and Clear Channel, and you run with it. That's all you do.

I think this is why many repubs oppose impeaching obama.   Rush, Hannity and Priebus decided they prefer obama IN office, so they told their listeners that impeachment was a LIB idea.  And FOX and Hannity got super pro-amnesty after the 2012 defeat.  Suddenly repubs love amnesty and get angry when anyone talks about impeaching obama's criminal ass.