Test and Tren

[kingcon]

Why is it that people bash this combo I've joined a couple other boards and for whatever reason it gets smashed by their dumb ass mods claiming it's unsafe. Commical when you think about it.I've used this combo for a couple years pretty continuously. and who buys into the bulking cutting thing? Am I crazy or is there no sense in bulking ever again after reaching a certain threshold. For instance ik a guy who is around 5'9 will be a light heavy weight guy when cut up and without the use of gh and slin further aas bulking is useless maybe a longer time in and he'll make it to 215 but that's an old timer right? No other compounds give the look tren does. Isn't tren why bbrs look like bbrs. Unless your lucky enough to not get some fucking expensive sugar in a vial then you can be a real bbr? Is this correct? I understand everyone's goals are different but if you join a board and ask what should I take to look good Im thinking 25mgs of winny fot example. Aren't you better off going to a local supplement shop and getting PHs which were recently banned go figure. Like what is the point of gear if your not trying to look awesome or perform a sport at a much higher level?
Sorry about the rant I want to see what everyone has to say?

[Jizmo]

test and tren is all thats needed really
apart from GH and slin of course

bulk or cut, test/tren is always the best base combo imo
you can add in npp/deca and orals for bulking to get more fullness or mast or winstrol for cutting to get even drier

but test/tren is the absolute best basic stack

run it for a couple months straight and side effects completely disappear. dont know why the fuck anyone bashes this combo. of course tren wrecks bloodwork but lets be serious, any AAS does.

[Thong Maniac]

Yeah i never hear it bashed, but 2 things.
1. Tren is made for cattle, and i think down the road, we are goi g to see some cancers and other nasty things in BBers who use this (DNA damage)
2. Lipids will be trashed.
3. Bloodwork on test only cycles is much better

[kingcon]

Cancer really? That's an interesting thought. See I always felt good on tren I've never had blood works and I feel fine so I'm going with what I don't know won't hurt me. I actually have had no sides on this combo. How exactly does it wreck your blood work. I always had the mentality if one thing was out of whack it led to another. Not the case?

[Jizmo]

lol
strong ignorance
you can only detect so much by going by feel... of course liver damage, high blood pressure etc are things you can feel, but...
you cant fucking "FEEL" a heart attack or stroke coming on...
you cant FEEL your arteries getting clogged up with plaque.
you cant FEEL that shit.

tren wrecks your cholesterol and triglycerides like no other AAS... for me personally tren wrecks my HDL, for some people it drastically increases LDL or both... some people are not affected as much or in a potentially health endangering way, but tren WORSENS BLOODWORK FOR EVERYONE.

of course low HDL/high LDL alone does not necessarily mean youll get a heart attack or stroke.
in fact whats dangerous is bad cholesterol values coupled with systemic inflammation (caused by shit nutrition, especially sugar), but thats a whole different topic and it takes months to gather sufficient knowledge on that.

long story short... tren damages bloodwork for EVERYONE.
good nutrition can mitigate the damage / potential consequences.
of course whether you suffer consequences or not is highly genetic aswell.

abuse tren and eat like shit = dead by 50 if bad abuser genetics

[Thong Maniac]

lol
strong ignorance
you can only detect so much by going by feel... of course liver damage, high blood pressure etc are things you can feel, but...
you cant fucking "FEEL" a heart attack or stroke coming on...
you cant FEEL your arteries getting clogged up with plaque.
you cant FEEL that shit.

tren wrecks your cholesterol and triglycerides like no other AAS... for me personally tren wrecks my HDL, for some people it drastically increases LDL or both... some people are not affected as much or in a potentially health endangering way, but tren WORSENS BLOODWORK FOR EVERYONE.

of course low HDL/high LDL alone does not necessarily mean youll get a heart attack or stroke.
in fact whats dangerous is bad cholesterol values coupled with systemic inflammation (caused by shit nutrition, especially sugar), but thats a whole different topic and it takes months to gather sufficient knowledge on that.

long story short... tren damages bloodwork for EVERYONE.
good nutrition can mitigate the damage / potential consequences.
of course whether you suffer consequences or not is highly genetic aswell.

abuse tren and eat like shit = dead by 50 if bad abuser genetics

 I think about the hundreds of goons at gyms all over that just hop on stuff, eat ice cream and burgers, look like bloofy crap shit and NEVER get bloodwork done. Im just saying that forum people like us at least can discuss this stuff and bloodwork and all that. I cant even imagine what some of these guys i see walking around with bacne oozing all over their traps, bloated faces, etc. I mean these guys are 99 percent sure NOT monitoring themselves. Most of them I doubt give any thought to what their insides look like (lipids, BP, RBC, thick ass blood, etc.)

Kingcon, just get your BP and lipids monitored man. Its pretty simple. HIGH QUALITY carlson fish oil, niacin, and vit D, and fiber...thats really all you need along with some cardio.

[kingcon]

My BP is very much fine. Lol only time it goes up is when I'm mad lol and you can feel that one. It's actually better than when I ran test and Eq that combo honestly sucked I ran both at like a gram for about a year. Talk about feeling like shit now it's just low test dose moderate tren and drol off and on. I feel better skins clear. Not gonna lie my diets not very strict there's balance though.

[mazfit]

when you say we will se cancer dna damage - this is potetially broscience tbh

but iof that is the case....no not some bodybuilders ALL BODYBUILDERS use and abuse tren.

Eq also isnt made for humans  - i have never ran eq though is it worth it?

[Jizmo]

eq is fucking weak but gave me wicked headaches at just 500mg a week
you need to run at least 1-1.5g of that stuff if youre used to 2+g cycles

not worth it at all... also got weird anxiety
i never got this from any other AAS
can run tren at 1g no problem no headaches no anxiety

[mazfit]

eq is fucking weak but gave me wicked headaches at just 500mg a week
you need to run at least 1-1.5g of that stuff if youre used to 2+g cycles

not worth it at all... also got weird anxiety
i never got this from any other AAS
can run tren at 1g no problem no headaches no anxiety

ok sound

either going to run

3g test
1.2g tren
500mg mast

or

4g test
900mg tren
375mg mast

probably run the first stack tbh

[Jizmo]

just gave my opinion on that in your other thread

personally i dont really notice much going from 1g test to 2g EXCEPT muscles get harder and i can eat like utter shit and still stay leaner (water bloat is not worse imo) (with tren in the mix too)

imo youd get more out of running 2g test 1g tren and adding 1g npp/deca than more test or mast or EQ

[whitewidow]

eq is fucking weak but gave me wicked headaches at just 500mg a week
you need to run at least 1-1.5g of that stuff if youre used to 2+g cycles

not worth it at all... also got weird anxiety
i never got this from any other AAS
can run tren at 1g no problem no headaches no anxiety

EQ is a good steroid for some,of course everybody is( diffrent)that is why playing around with compounds is the best way to find what works for you.It is true high quality EQ is not easy to find and alot of underdosed EQ floats around these days.

[mazfit]

would you rather run

1 gram prop
1 gram tren
1 gram NPP

or

3 gram test
1 gram test


both will cost me the same

[youandme]

I'm thinking of running tren enanthate.....haven't ran it in years and seem to recall terrible night sweats when I was running it. 

[mazfit]

i think tren e is weak doesnt work as well as ace

chemically there should be no reason to why it doesnt work as well

but for me anyway, to many sides and anxiety

[gettingbetter]

Yes, the whole LDL/HDL is tenuous at best and inflammation, especially gum diseases are better predictor of heart problems.

That being said, I would never mess with Tren if you have history of heart attack in your family. Test, if not abused, is less hard on those values and in the scarce papers on the subject, it seems that orals are worst for that then injectables plus the effects on cholesterol returned to normal after 3-4 weeks

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0026049584902221

http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=615569

[Thong Maniac]

My new gear use is this

TEst blast in winter 600mg for most of winter

Spring time, 200mg test, 2 iu HGh if I have it, and DIET.

2-3 weeks before beach or vacations, tren ace or a designer oral (i stocked up on those, they work)
Im keeping those for just that times when u wanna look full and vascular and then coming off when home.

[kingcon]

White widow isn't eq pretty much the same as test? I mean obviously it's a little different but doesn't Eq aromatize at half the rate of testosterone and it's equally anabolic correct?

[pestosterone]

eq sucks imo

[kingcon]

Ya I hate it to I get mad backne every time o run it big ol cysts

[Jizmo]

White widow isn't eq pretty much the same as test? I mean obviously it's a little different but doesn't Eq aromatize at half the rate of testosterone and it's equally anabolic correct?

no fkin way, EQ is much weaker. and you could never run it at the dosage you can run test at without your blood turning into sludgy motor oil imo...

[mazfit]

My new gear use is this

TEst blast in winter 600mg for most of winter

Spring time, 200mg test, 2 iu HGh if I have it, and DIET.

2-3 weeks before beach or vacations, tren ace or a designer oral (i stocked up on those, they work)
Im keeping those for just that times when u wanna look full and vascular and then coming off when home.

600mg blast lol - doe you grow on that? -

[Thong Maniac]

Never really gone that high. Worried about BP and hematocrit/rbc issues

[Halki]

Test P 30mg ed
Tren A 70mg ed
Deca 250mg e4d

 

[aintitgrand]

Test P 30mg ed
Tren A 70mg ed
Deca 250mg e4d

 

Tren and deca together? Why? What's your goal with this cycle?