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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2015, 06:18:38 AM »
What makes it a good idea?

It's not. He already screwed up health care. First, school costs are already inflated. Plus, students are already approved for loans to attend school through the government. A price ceiling on community college tuition rates for first year students would have helped rather than just giving the seats away. Those that attend school that pay for it themselves have a better appreciation of the work they put in and wish to get out of it.


Health Care is saving billions by making people pay for health coverage rather than having them pile up at the ER room and rack up costs.  No 2, he said Community College which is dirt cheap.  I can go to Southwestern Community College at a paltry 75.00 dollars a credit hour.  

Finally, an educated society is a more PROFITABLE SOCIETY.  BTW, this is not free...this is what our TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE PAYING FOR...not enriching corporation who will not do a damn thing for anyone...after all, that's already been tried
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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2015, 06:33:47 AM »
I think its an awesome idea.

Of course you would since you never think anything through.

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2015, 06:46:13 AM »

Health Care is saving billions by making people pay for health coverage rather than having them pile up at the ER room and rack up costs.  No 2, he said Community College which is dirt cheap.  I can go to Southwestern Community College at a paltry 75.00 dollars a credit hour.  

Finally, an educated society is a more PROFITABLE SOCIETY.  BTW, this is not free...this is what our TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE PAYING FOR...not enriching corporation who will not do a damn thing for anyone...after all, that's already been tried

You are a liar. Crapcare is not reducing healthcare cost. It has been proven again and again.

You are one of the libtards that avoided the thread I opened exposing how bad crapcare legislation really is, but instead of letting yourself be educated on that subject you chose to continue to spew non-sense and lies.  Not only that but by your first sentence you manage to show that the failureinchied lied when he stated that EVERY FAMILY WOULD SAVE $1200 ON THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE.



Let me re-post what you and the rest of the libtards on this board couldn't dispute:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=562585.0

There is nothing in the crapcare legislation that does anything to bring the cost of healthcare down.

33% of Americans delay medical treatment due to costs.

Deductible for less expensive plan under crapcare is $100 more this year than last year.

Average premium increased by another 3%. A sign that crapcare will not cut health insurance costs by $1200 per family as the failureinchief promised.

Hospitals and medical device makers are making more money, but the taxpayer is paying more.

IT IS A BROKEN SYSTEM AND CRAPCARE DOES NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, TO FIX IT.


The truth about crapcare:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/01/05/health_care_expert_steven_brill_on_obamacare_everybody_is_happy_except_the_taxpayer.html

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2015, 06:48:14 AM »

Finally, an educated society is a more PROFITABLE SOCIETY.  BTW, this is not free...this is what our TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE PAYING FOR...not enriching corporation who will not do a damn thing for anyone...after all, that's already been tried

So you are for increasing taxes on anyone making less than $250k. So much for that "presidential" promise. But that was broken on the first day when payroll taxes increased and crapcare was passed. Wasn't it.

HEHEHEHEEH!!! So much for dumocrats looking out for the middle class.

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2015, 06:54:15 AM »
6 reasons the math on Obama’s college plan doesn’t add up

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/01/09/252584_6-reasons-the-math-on-obamas-college.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy


The price tag

It would cost $60 billion over 10 years. White House officials wouldn’t say where they’d find the billions to pay for it. And the spending would have to be approved by Congress, where Republicans just gained seats in midterm elections after campaigning against more federal spending.

Administration officials say they’ll indicate where the money will come from when Obama releases his budget proposal Feb. 2. “Without details to review, this plan is more like a talking point,” said Cory Fritz, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio.

The national debt

In December, the national debt reached $18 trillion, sparking renewed criticism from fiscal conservatives about the increase in government spending. Obama touted the declining federal budget deficit when he spoke in Knoxville on Friday, but he didn’t mention that the debt continues to increase.

“Why stop there?” Republican Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal said. “Why not have the government buy a car and a house for everyone?”

The states

While the federal government would pick up 75 percent of the tab, the final quarter would come from states that opt into the program. The states, which have already slashed funding for colleges and universities as they face budget shortfalls and competing priorities, would have to cut other programs to pay for the cost or to raise taxes.

The students

The program would provide aid to some students who don’t need it, instead of focusing on low-income students through, for example, expanding Pell Grants or reducing the paperwork for student aid. Administration officials estimate that 9 million students could participate if they attend at least half-time, maintain 2.5 GPAs and make progress toward completing degrees or certificate programs.

“Making tuition free for all students regardless of their income is a missed opportunity to focus resources on the students who need aid the most,” said the Institute for College Access & Success, which usually sides with the Obama administration.

The emphasis

The lure of free tuition might lead some students who should go straight to four-year institutions to attend community colleges instead. (SO MUCH FOR A MORE EDUCATED SOCIETY)

“Why support community college instead of college?” asked Russ Whitehurst, a former official at the Department of Education who now heads the Brown Center on Education Policy at the Brookings Institution, a center-left policy research center.

The regulations

States and community colleges would have to abide by certain rules to get the federal money. For example, states would have to agree not to cut higher education funding elsewhere to pay for the proposal.

Community colleges would have to offer programs that transfer to public four-year colleges or lead to degrees and certificates that are in demand among employers, and implement programs that would improve student achievements.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/01/09/252584_6-reasons-the-math-on-obamas-college.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2015, 07:15:37 AM »
...not enriching corporation who will not do a damn thing for anyone...after all, that's already been tried
you do realize that when these people do get into the work force and become "PROFITABLE" they will be working for corporations or building corporations for others to work at?


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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2015, 08:46:23 AM »
Since most Obama voters pay zero taxes - they don't think they will have to pay for this either. 

Remember - 95'ers are usually the worst tippers on the planet right?

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2015, 11:33:57 AM »
Doesn't matter if community college is free.  The vast majority of the dregs who are not in college now will see no reason to go anyway. 

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2015, 11:49:38 AM »

Health Care is saving billions by making people pay for health coverage rather than having them pile up at the ER room and rack up costs.  No 2, he said Community College which is dirt cheap.  I can go to Southwestern Community College at a paltry 75.00 dollars a credit hour.  

Finally, an educated society is a more PROFITABLE SOCIETY.  BTW, this is not free...this is what our TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE PAYING FOR...not enriching corporation who will not do a damn thing for anyone...after all, that's already been tried

1) Don't even have the time to type out how wrong you are on healthcare
2) The world needs ditch diggers too

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2015, 12:04:49 PM »
1) Don't even have the time to type out how wrong you are on healthcare
2) The world needs ditch diggers too

95%ers are the dumbest among us - forgive them 

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2015, 12:07:26 PM »
95%ers are the dumbest among us - forgive them  

to be fair.... if 95% of the country are lazy fcks that make the other 5% pay for everything...

wouldn't that make them *kinda* smart, after all?   lol

not moral, not right, not justified in any way... but wouldn't you agree the 1 person willing to treat the other 19 to dinner against is will... happens to be the dumbass?  The 19 people sticking the steak dinner to the last guy for the check (however morally disgusting and corrupt they are) - can you really call them "dumb"?

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2015, 05:18:56 PM »
to be fair.... if 95% of the country are lazy fcks that make the other 5% pay for everything...

wouldn't that make them *kinda* smart, after all?   lol

not moral, not right, not justified in any way... but wouldn't you agree the 1 person willing to treat the other 19 to dinner against is will... happens to be the dumbass?  The 19 people sticking the steak dinner to the last guy for the check (however morally disgusting and corrupt they are) - can you really call them "dumb"?
dont you have a trailer park to patrol?

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2015, 11:47:41 PM »
dont you have a trailer park to patrol?

attacking the messenger?  that's cool.  Liberals have 51% of the nation, I think it's a terrible thing and a very big deal.

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2015, 03:44:35 AM »
you do realize that when these people do get into the work force and become "PROFITABLE" they will be working for corporations or building corporations for others to work at?



That depends.  But we need to catch up with China and other countries on education and they do it by having free education.  You simply can't function as a society and be competitive if education is inaccessible and unaffordable.  A doctor stuck with with over a quarter million in student fees....leads to them more likely to sell out to pharmaceutical companies to pay their bills
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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2015, 06:10:49 AM »
to be fair.... if 95% of the country are lazy fcks that make the other 5% pay for everything...

That's why we need a flat tax.

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2015, 06:44:15 AM »
That depends.  But we need to catch up with China and other countries on education and they do it by having free education.  You simply can't function as a society and be competitive if education is inaccessible and unaffordable.  A doctor stuck with with over a quarter million in student fees....leads to them more likely to sell out to pharmaceutical companies to pay their bills
no it certainly doesnt depend, unless you figure that they might not work at all...they will get jobs with or start business that utilize other workers....

This doesnt make higher education more affordable, you do understand that right?

More demand for a service is going to do what to the price vince, dont you own a business?

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2015, 06:48:45 AM »
attacking the messenger?  that's cool.  Liberals have 51% of the nation, I think it's a terrible thing and a very big deal.
your stupidity has progressed to far to justify a response.

Why dont you just complete your transformation and become jim lahey already

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2015, 07:35:52 AM »
I think its an awesome idea.

Of course you think so Vince.

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2015, 07:39:15 AM »
That's why we need a flat tax.

i'm intrigued by the idea.  Has it ever worked on a national scale before?

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2015, 07:51:01 AM »

Health Care is saving billions by making people pay for health coverage rather than having them pile up at the ER room and rack up costs.  No 2, he said Community College which is dirt cheap.  I can go to Southwestern Community College at a paltry 75.00 dollars a credit hour.  

Finally, an educated society is a more PROFITABLE SOCIETY.  BTW, this is not free...this is what our TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE PAYING FOR...not enriching corporation who will not do a damn thing for anyone...after all, that's already been tried

Here's a little sobering fact for you that personally happend to my mom just last week. She took a fall while on her daily walk. She tripped going up a curb. Face planted onto the concrete. Bruised the bridge of her nose, two huge bumps on her head, swollen knee all while on blood thinners. Do you know how in danger an older person is on blood thinners with head trauma? Long story short, after 71/2 hours in the ER she got up and left. When I confronted admissions I was told most of this was due to the new healthcare that started on the first. This was not some fucking county hospital although you would have thought it was. I called around to three other area hospitals and it was the same thing. Finally we went home and took her to an urgent care the next morning. It's bullshit and people like you who voted for this bullshit deserve all the responsibility for being too fucking stupid to realize what obama was doing from the get go. And oh, last week I said my insurance was going to double, i was wrong, it almost tripled. I thought it going to be around$1000. The final quite was 1223.00.


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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2015, 07:53:03 AM »

Health Care is saving billions by making people pay for health coverage rather than having them pile up at the ER room and rack up costs.  No 2, he said Community College which is dirt cheap.  I can go to Southwestern Community College at a paltry 75.00 dollars a credit hour.  

Finally, an educated society is a more PROFITABLE SOCIETY.  BTW, this is not free...this is what our TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE PAYING FOR...not enriching corporation who will not do a damn thing for anyone...after all, that's already been tried

After reading this in its entirety I've came to the conclusion you're delusional.

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2015, 08:16:33 AM »
Some injuries it's best now to just call an ambulance and get minor treatment.

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #47 on: January 12, 2015, 02:13:52 PM »
There is one thing that the left keeps forgetting ... the government does earn, create or make money.  They have to steal it from its citizens.  Like everything free ... it will have no value.  This will become a cluster fuck of waste and inefficiency.  So, if an AA has no value and everyone has one ... isn't that called high school.

Once again, Obama is a dreaming fool with no leadership skills at all.  He is the worst president in the modern history of our country.

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2015, 02:19:15 PM »
LOL - Obama is borrowing another idea from a Republican

http://chronicle.com/article/Tennessee-Governor-Proposes/144399/

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Re: Obama to float the idea of more "free shit" at the state of the union
« Reply #49 on: January 12, 2015, 02:37:35 PM »
There is one thing that the left keeps forgetting ... the government does earn, create or make money.  They have to steal it from its citizens.  Like everything free ... it will have no value.  This will become a cluster fuck of waste and inefficiency.  So, if an AA has no value and everyone has one ... isn't that called high school.

Once again, Obama is a dreaming fool with no leadership skills at all.  He is the worst president in the modern history of our country.

Damn, you have an incredibly erudite and nuanced view of how governments operate in the modern world

That's why I love this board

We attract the real political scholars and deep thinker to share such brilliant insights as yours

Of course the government does nothing to help create and facilitate stable and secure economies and provide necessary goods and services

That's why our model should really be something like Somalia or something like that where they don't steal from their citizens with silly things like taxes.  That's why they are such a flourishing economy and everyone wants to live there