Author Topic: Bodybuilding and society (Read 12358 times)

Drij · « **on:** February 22, 2006, 09:55:38 PM »

why with what we know about training, nutrition, supplements, steroids hasn't transcended to "normal" everyday people. Especially in North America? Why isn't this second nature for the well being of people. It's irritating that bodybuilding way of life isn't normal.

It's not as if I expect people to look like Milos Sarcev but where is the self respect to actually take care of your body. Why aren't people educated to think this way. Why isn't this mandatory in school. People can exercise all they want but majority don't know what to consume. Yes economic situations play a role but even people with money look like shit to.

Why hasn't the bodybuilding knowledge/method become normal, mainstream isn't the right word.

Johnny Apollo · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2006, 11:38:11 PM »

The same reason other knowledge isn't common among normal people. Knowledge of science for instance. Did you know most Americans still believe in Intelligent Design? That some God made the world in the last 6,000 years?

Actually most people believe Creatine is a Steroid and spot reduction is possible and that Pro's don't use steroids.

Some people have alot of knowledge when it comes to specific things. I'm willing to bet some people on here who know alot about fitness know squat about science and believe in intelligent Design. Just like some astro-physicists don't know much about Fitness.

The reason "normal" people don't know these things is due to the fact it's not readly available knowledge. If you want to know these things you need to "study" and "Research" something most peope don't care to do due to their lazyness.

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2006, 11:46:32 PM »

Quote from: Johnny Apollo on February 22, 2006, 11:38:11 PM

The same reason other knowledge isn't common among normal people. Knowledge of science for instance. Did you know most Americans still believe in Intelligent Design? That some God made the world in the last 6,000 years?

Oh great, another athiest Liberal, LOL....okay dude whatever!

Cavalier22 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2006, 12:10:07 AM »

i doubt half teh people in this country believe in intelligent design. there is no way.

i bet half the people dont even know what that means

Cavalier22 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2006, 12:10:39 AM »

besides, people arent down with needles on a weekly basis

DIVISION · « **Reply #5 on:** February 23, 2006, 12:24:16 AM »

Quote from: Cavalier22 on February 23, 2006, 12:10:39 AM

besides, people arent down with needles on a weekly basis

^That's what it comes down to, CavNugga.

DIV

gcb · « **Reply #6 on:** February 23, 2006, 01:40:26 AM »

You're also forgetting that many industries profit from the misinformation that they peddle.
Why else would they still be making the latest and greatest ab machine which will flatten
absolutely nothing. It is often not in the interest of these industries for the truth to be
widely known - instead we are bombarded with lies about how to get in shape.

Johnny Apollo · « **Reply #7 on:** February 23, 2006, 02:26:20 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Intenseone on February 22, 2006, 11:46:32 PM

Oh great, another athiest Liberal, LOL....okay dude whatever!

Yes i'm an atheist, What of it?

Quote from: Cavalier22 on February 23, 2006, 12:10:07 AM

i doubt half teh people in this country believe in intelligent design. there is no way.
i bet half the people dont even know what that means

Actually about 47% of Americans believe a "God" made the world in the last 6,000 years. lol

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm

Quote from: Cavalier22 on February 23, 2006, 12:10:39 AM

besides, people arent down with needles on a weekly basis

False, People are OK with daily shots for diabetes or other medicines. It's not about needles.

ether · « **Reply #8 on:** February 23, 2006, 04:44:10 AM »

What do you think that society in general is going to be interested or admire the sport of bodybuilding.

Well, ALL of the athletes take and or deal illecit drugs, they ALL look like freaks to the general public and most end up dead before 50, in jail or somewhere in between.

The fact is that we are in the VERY SMALL minority of people who actually are interested in this sport (and I use that word loosely).

Bodybuilding will NEVER become mainstream, it hasn't in 50 years and it will never...it should just be content to still have a solid group of followers. The fact that bodybuilders can still make a living doing what they do, should be good enough for them.

Whenever I hear them say that they should organize for more money, I can't help but laugh. Olympic athletes have to have second jobs for fucks sake and they should be making more?

?

Personally, I don't give a shit what they take or how much of it and couldn't care less what they are doing to their major internal organs....I just want to see how f'ing huge someone can get.

DEFCON · « **Reply #9 on:** February 23, 2006, 05:31:36 AM »

Quote from: Drij on February 22, 2006, 09:55:38 PM

why with what we know about training, nutrition, supplements, steroids hasn't transcended to "normal" everyday people. Especially in North America? Why isn't this second nature for the well being of people. It's irritating that bodybuilding way of life isn't normal.
It's not as if I expect people to look like Milos Sarcev but where is the self respect to actually take care of your body. Why aren't people educated to think this way. Why isn't this mandatory in school. People can exercise all they want but majority don't know what to consume. Yes economic situations play a role but even people with money look like shit to.
Why hasn't the bodybuilding knowledge/method become normal, mainstream isn't the right word.

taking steriods is NOT normal.

(nothing) · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2006, 05:37:21 AM »

i want to say the guy didn't mean BB as we know just a healthier lifestyle.

people don't better because they are taught. by taught i mean what the media shows you. if every ad, trainer, magizine says that if you do a million crunches you will have abs by summer then thats what you know.

the best thing to do is start with the young and teach your cousins your kids your friends kids about a healthier life style.

Johnny Apollo · « **Reply #11 on:** February 23, 2006, 07:05:57 AM »

Saying Pro Bodybuilding or Bodybuilding itself will never go mainstream is pessimistic. 30 years ago they said Rap would never go mainstream. 60 years ago Rock would not go mainstream. 100 years ago automobiles would never be a mainstream thing,Why who in the hell would buy an expensive automobile when they can buy a horse that is more reliable?

The fact of the matter is I see bodybuilding going mainstream and the key is through good advertising. Americans are getting fatter and unhealthier year after year and they will start to look up to fit and healthy people and buy into their products and try to emulate them.

More and More people are buying flex magazines today than they ever did 20 years ago. More and more people are visiting bodybuilding websites and forums. Look at the number of people on Bodybuilding.com forum..It's increasing daily. More and more people are becoming interested in the bodybuilding lifestyle because they want big muscles too.

The only problem is the promoters need to grow up. The people who promote the shows and who run the shows are amateurs. For instance remember last olympia when the posing music wasn't copyrighted so the announcer had to talk over their music the whole time? That was just amateur and sloppy. What they should do is hire some music man who can coustomize each pro's posing music. The pro can go meet with the music guy and he can coustomize their music right on the computer in less than 10 minutes and make a good exciting coustom music that they own so they don't need to use uncopyrighted music for posing.

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #12 on:** February 23, 2006, 07:13:33 AM »

lol
tell me ronnie colemans physique is the results
of intelligent design ok?

Drij · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2006, 08:22:31 AM »

Quote from: gcb on February 23, 2006, 01:40:26 AM

You're also forgetting that many industries profit from the misinformation that they peddle.
Why else would they still be making the latest and greatest ab machine which will flatten
absolutely nothing. It is often not in the interest of these industries for the truth to be
widely known - instead we are bombarded with lies about how to get in shape.

Same goes with steroids and it's benefits. It's all misinformation ...
thats my point, other than keeping this information we have why isn't it becoming more of the norm. Who is getting the information out, who's the voice? No one. Knowledge is key to getting anywhere. Bodybuilding has been around for along time but has stayed within a certain group this needs to expand. Psychological effects and performance needs to be stressed about it's benefits.
Also with all those ab machines and other bs machines the reality is it takes hard work and concentration but when you put it like that who wants to do it and stick with it consistently. Theres no other way around it though if you have strong work ethic and see the benefits. People have to know what good nutrition and proper maintenance does for you. I have no idea what other people perceive about those ideas.

Bodybuilders are proof that this works, us not included, wouldn't want to look like this. But they're proof and why isn't there anybody to speak up for this?

DEFCON · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2006, 08:26:47 AM »

Quote from: bigdumbbell on February 23, 2006, 07:13:33 AM

lol
tell me ronnie colemans physique is the results
of intelligent design ok?

he does have a big butt though doesn't he?

Robert E. Lee · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2006, 11:44:29 PM »

Bodybuilding will never be anything but a subculture, and I woudn't have it any other way. I started bodybuilding because I wanted to be the biggest dog in the pack. It wouldn't be cool if everybody did it. Most of the people buying FLEX are 15 year old kids who want to get real big real fast. Once they realize its hard and takes effort, they quit, just like any other fad.

FREAKgeek · « **Reply #16 on:** February 24, 2006, 12:10:45 AM »

Quote from: Drij on February 22, 2006, 09:55:38 PM

why with what we know about training, nutrition, supplements, steroids hasn't transcended to "normal" everyday people. Especially in North America? Why isn't this second nature for the well being of people. It's irritating that bodybuilding way of life isn't normal.
It's not as if I expect people to look like Milos Sarcev but where is the self respect to actually take care of your body. Why aren't people educated to think this way. Why isn't this mandatory in school. People can exercise all they want but majority don't know what to consume. Yes economic situations play a role but even people with money look like shit to.
Why hasn't the bodybuilding knowledge/method become normal, mainstream isn't the right word.

The average person does not care to have an enormous physique, and especially care to do what it takes to get one, given you have the genes to do so. We are in the minority. The aquisition of excess muscle mass is not a prerequisite for optimal health or longevity either.

Drij · « **Reply #17 on:** February 24, 2006, 09:57:17 AM »

but it seems to be the norm for people to gain excessive fat.

ignorance · « **Reply #18 on:** February 24, 2006, 10:05:57 AM »

Milk does the body good.

Great Egg goodness.

Fuck creatine I'll use steriods.

Thank you sir may I have another shot!

analcandy · « **Reply #19 on:** February 24, 2006, 10:11:07 AM »

I hope it will NEVER go mainstream, because I like looking better than most people and make em feel miserable.

Unknown8471 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 26, 2006, 01:43:01 AM »

People don want to take care of them selves becus it is hard work. ive spoken to meany people and they always give me some lame excuse as to why they dont exersise. botem line is there is just a genuin lack of caring umgst (at leat in the U.S.) poulation. people want the easy way out. i mean after all which is easyer, making it to the gym at leat 3days a week, or not geting off your ass and waching surviver re-runs or some othere crap on t.v.? we are a society of lasy uneducate (in the regards of Sience, History, Literecher, world afairs, and Helth) couch potatos. at the same time humens are also a crecher that resists change even if it is for the beter, so there for whith all this combiend we get the anser as to why body building (or phsical helth in genral) will never catch on.
p.s. by the way im dislexick so pleas forgive my poor spelling.

Harry R. M. Pitts · « **Reply #21 on:** February 26, 2006, 07:44:05 AM »

Quote from: Johnny Apollo on February 22, 2006, 11:38:11 PM

The same reason other knowledge isn't common among normal people. Knowledge of science for instance. Did you know most Americans still believe in Intelligent Design? That some God made the world in the last 6,000 years?
Actually most people believe Creatine is a Steroid and spot reduction is possible and that Pro's don't use steroids.
Some people have alot of knowledge when it comes to specific things. I'm willing to bet some people on here who know alot about fitness know squat about science and believe in intelligent Design. Just like some astro-physicists don't know much about Fitness.
The reason "normal" people don't know these things is due to the fact it's not readly available knowledge. If you want to know these things you need to "study" and "Research" something most peope don't care to do due to their lazyness.

Ok since you are the all knowing where did we evolve, from rocks??? Where's the missing link there buddy?? There's not one!!! You shouldn't discount "intelligent design" unless you can prove otherwise, but u can't can you?

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #22 on:** February 26, 2006, 07:48:52 AM »

Quote from: Unknown8471 on February 26, 2006, 01:43:01 AM

People don want to take care of them selves becus it is hard work. ive spoken to meany people and they always give me some lame excuse as to why they dont exersise. botem line is there is just a genuin lack of caring umgst (at leat in the U.S.) poulation. people want the easy way out. i mean after all which is easyer, making it to the gym at leat 3days a week, or not geting off your ass and waching surviver re-runs or some othere crap on t.v.? we are a society of lasy uneducate (in the regards of Sience, History, Literecher, world afairs, and Helth) couch potatos. at the same time humens are also a crecher that resists change even if it is for the beter, so there for whith all this combiend we get the anser as to why body building (or phsical helth in genral) will never catch on.
p.s. by the way im dislexick so pleas forgive my poor spelling.

chill on the apologizing
we're a website that prefers concepts over spelling, punctuation and grammar
only a few here are overly anal teacher wannabes

hillbilly · « **Reply #23 on:** February 26, 2006, 07:49:31 AM »

Most ppl dont care about being big and therefore dont understand why anyone wud want to! especially when u need to use a needle to do it!

Unknown8471 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 26, 2006, 11:45:30 AM »

it can be sufisently proven that the world is more than 6000 years old, however there is no proof to dismis the existance of a god/gods. but still, last i chect the U.C. sistem (universety of california) exepts that inteligent desine is a religus studys class and there for is not a sience. there is far to much proof to discount evalution but at the same time there is to much proof to discount god. after all would it be faith if all the anseres where given to us?