How was Shawn Ray never Mr. Olympia?

[Coach is Back!]

Shawn was narrow and didn't have a great back


Haney, Yates, and Ronnie dwarfed Ray on the back poses

As opposed to Dorian's lack of bicep development?

[NarcissisticDeity]

This is from when he won the Nationals in 87 , he looks almost identical to he did years later , his conditioning improved slightly but overall he's the same Shawn Ray he starts at about 17:28

[MCWAY]

I'm not talking about his contest placements , I'm talking physique wise. He gained 6 pounds in 14 years?

Who cares how much weight he added? He was top 5 in the world for over a decade. Improvement isn't just getting larger.

in 1994 he was BEHIND Kevin Levrone after the prejudging and was lucking to ' beat ' Kevin for second place. Dorian was way off from 93 and still eons better , torn bicep , bloated and a runny tan but his conditioning wasn't off he was still dry & hard

That's why they have the night show. Lee Haney was behind after prejudging in 1990. Ronnie Coleman was behind Flex Wheeler after prejudging in 1998.

It's about who's ahead when ALL the rounds are tallied, not just the first two.

As for Yates, you could almost wring the water out of him in '94. If anyone got "lucky" that year, it was he, not Ray.

[NarcissisticDeity]

As opposed to Dorian's lack of bicep development?

Back is a much larger area than biceps

[Coach is Back!]

Back is a much larger area than biceps

It's a matter of balance.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Who cares how much weight he added? He was top 5 in the world for over a decade. Improvement isn't just getting larger.

That's why they have night show. Lee Haney was behind after prejudging in 1990. Ronnie Coleman was behind Flex Wheeler after prejudging in 1998.

It's about who's ahead when ALL the rounds are tallied, not just the first two.

Who cares how much weight he added? He was top 5 in the world for over a decade. Improvement isn't just getting larger

It's a bodybuilding contest at the end of the day. Yes he was very consistent and professional and that's to be expected but seriously 6 lbs if that in 14 years of competing? He didn't want to take that route the other guys were going kudos to him but don't bitch when you're not winning contests.

That's why they have night show. Lee Haney was behind after prejudging in 1990. Ronnie Coleman was behind Flex Wheeler after prejudging in 1998.

It's about who's ahead when ALL the rounds are tallied, not just the first two.

That is the exception not the rule , the meat & potatoes was always prejudging and after the 1994 prejudging Shawn was behind Kevin , 1994 Mr Olympia was a close contest , for second. Shawn wasn't beating Dorian regardless of the torn bicep

[MCWAY]

This is from when he won the Nationals in 87 , he looks almost identical to he did years later , his conditioning improved slightly but overall he's the same Shawn Ray he starts at about 17:28

And what he's supposed to do, besides add too much weight too quickly, blow his proportions, and ruin a top 5 physique?

[NarcissisticDeity]

It's a matter of balance.

I agree and a weak back is much more of an imbalance than a weak bicep

[MCWAY]

It's a bodybuilding contest at the end of the day. Yes he was very consistent and professional and that's to be expected but seriously 6 lbs if that in 14 years of competing? He didn't want to take that route the other guys were going kudos to him but don't bitch when you're not winning contests.

That is the exception not the rule , the meat & potatoes was always prejudging and after the 1994 prejudging Shawn was behind Kevin , 1994 Mr Olympia was a close contest , for second. Shawn wasn't beating Dorian regardless of the torn bicep

When has Ray ever complained about not winning contests, other than the Olympia? Most of the time, he only did the O.

How does Yates get straight ones with a blown bicep, expanded waist, and water almost running from his skin?

[NarcissisticDeity]

And what he's supposed to do, besides add too much weight too quickly, blow his proportions, and ruin a top 5 physique?

He's supposed to improve his physique add more muscle without compromising his proportions ( easier said than done ) but Shawn can't bitch when he wasn't winning contests , which Shawn always did. Now you can make a case for his type of physique SHOULD be what the Mr Olympia represents but according to the IFBB judging criteria Shawn wasn't beating many guys not just Dorian.

He said he represented what the Olympia should be OVER Lee Haney , over Dorian Yates , over Ronnie Coleman. Shawn wanted the rules to bend to him and if I were him I would too but that's not how it works.

[NarcissisticDeity]

When has Ray ever complained about not winning contests, other than the Olympia? Most of the time, he only did the so.

Well like you said he didn't venture out of the Olympia much , but ironically he didn't bitch about his placement in 1994 , but years later he said he should have won that one and 1996 but he also said Ronnie shouldn't have beaten him and Flex in 1998 lol

[MCWAY]

He's supposed to improve his physique add more muscle without compromising his proportions ( easier said than done ) but Shawn can't bitch when he wasn't winning contests , which Shawn always did. Now you can make a case for his type of physique SHOULD be what the Mr Olympia represents but according to the IFBB judging criteria Shawn wasn't beating many guys not just Dorian.

He did add more muscle to his frame without blowing his proportions; and he added much more than 6 pounds.

Again, Ray wasn't winning contests, because he spent most of his career competing solely in the Olympia. We've seen guys with lesser physiques rack up trophies at lower shows (Darrem Charles had at least 6 pro wins under his belt; but I don't think he's placed higher than 9th at the O).

[MCWAY]

Well like you said he didn't venture out of the Olympia much , but ironically he didn't bitch about his placement in 1994 , but years later he said he should have won that one and 1996 but he also said Ronnie shouldn't have beaten him and Flex in 1998 lol

Flex has has his number for years. I think Ray is more stunned over Coleman leaping over them all to win it. Almost no one saw that coming.

[NarcissisticDeity]

He did add more muscle to his frame without blowing his proportions; and he added much more than 6 pounds.

Again, Ray wasn't winning contests, because he spent most of his career competing solely in the Olympia. We've seen guys with lesser physiques rack up trophies at lower shows (Darrem Charles had at least pro wins under his belt; but I don't think he's placed higher than 9th at the O).

He did add more muscle to his frame without blowing his proportions; and he added much more than 6 pounds.

No he did not. He won the 87 Nationals at 196lbs and he was supposedly 205lbs in 1994 which is debatable.

Shawn put all his eggs in one basket he thought he could beat the big boys , he was wrong. If he did compete in the spring shows he might have done better for him self as far as compensation and career wins , maybe he wouldn't because in the rare times he did he got beat too 

[MCWAY]

No he did not. He won the 87 Nationals at 196lbs and he was supposedly 205lbs in 1994 which is debatable.

Shawn put all his eggs in one basket he thought he could beat the big boys , he was wrong. If he did compete in the spring shows he might have done better for him self as far as compensation and career wins , maybe he wouldn't because in the rare times he did he got beat too  

Ray has competed at 210 in the early 2000s. You kept saying he only put on 6 pounds in 14 years, not 7.

The only big boys Ray didn't beat in his day were Haney and Yates. Everyone else he has defeated. As for compensation, he had a lucrative Weider contract and placing high at the O paid more than winning smaller shows.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ray has competed at 210 in the early 2000s. You kept saying he only put on 6 pounds in 14 years, not 7.

The only big boys Ray didn't beat in his day were Haney and Yates. Everyone else he has defeated.

Yes he competed at 210lbs and his conditioning sucked at that weight so was it really an improvement? especially when it cost him contest placings?

And he did beat the big boys when they were off ( again not his fault ) but this proves Shawn's ethos of the judges only reward mass-monsters was bull shit.

Shawn was born in the wrong era , and he was born to short lol last Mr Olympia winner who was his height ( supposedly 5'7" ) was Samir Bannout in 83 and he beat Samir in 84? A 5'11" 235lb Haney , then a 242lb 5'10" 1/2 Dorian and then a 5'11" 249lb Ronnie , see a pattern here?

[MCWAY]

Yes he competed at 210lbs and his conditioning sucked at that weight so was it really an improvement? especially when it cost him contest placings?

And he did beat the big boys when they were off ( again not his fault ) but this proves Shawn's ethos of the judges only reward mass-monsters was bull shit.

Shawn was born in the wrong era , and he was born to short lol last Mr Olympia winner who was his height ( supposedly 5'7" ) was Samir Bannout in 83 and he beat Samir in 84? A 5'11" 235lb Haney , then a 242lb 5'10" 1/2 Dorian and then a 5'11" 249lb Ronnie , see a pattern here?

Does the name Dexter Jackson ring a bell?

Ray was in the wrong era, in that he competed in an era where the reigning Mr. O simply had to show up with a pulse.

That why fans were excited when Cutler do all beat Coleman in 2006, something that hadn't happened in 22 years. Of course, Cutler would lose just two years later to the aforementioned Jackson, only to best Jackson the next year.

In fact, 2009 may be the only time that a defending Mr. O lost despite looking as good as he did when he won the title.

What should have happened with Ray in 1994 happened to Jackson in 2008.
 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Does the name Dexter Jackson ring a bell?

Ray was in the wrong era, in that he competed in an era where the reigning Mr. O simply had to show up with a pulse.

That why fans were excited when Cutler do all beat Coleman in 2006, something that hadn't happened in 22 years. Of course, Cutler would lose just two years later to the aforementioned Jackson, only to best Jackson the next year.

In fact, 2009 may be the only time that a defending Mr. O lost despite looking as good as he did when he won the title.

What should have happened with Ray in 1994 happened to Jackson in 2008.
 

Dex toiled away and finally got the nod , and Dex was much heavier than Shawn ever was and had great conditioning to boot. same with Jay. Cutler technically beat Coleman in 2001 and then Gunther beat him in 2002 and some say Kevin should have beaten in 2002 at the Olympia

And Dex beat a WAY off Jay , Dorian wasn't that off in 94 he was off from 1993 but not as bad as Jay and still good enough to beat Shawn.

[Hulkster]

Shawn looks good standing alone

so does your hero, seen here in his 'best ever' shape at the 95 olympia LMAO

[Hulkster]

as far as Ray beating Haney, if shawn showed up in career best shape, recall Haney was WAY OFF in 90 and 89 he would have.

really, look at this back:

its lightyears ahead of Labradas and probably better than the shape Haney was in at the 89/90 olympia's

[NarcissisticDeity]

so does your hero, seen here in his 'best ever' shape at the 95 olympia LMAO

Same contest Oppppssssss thanks for playing  You always were afraid of Dorian posing 

[NarcissisticDeity]

as far as Ray beating Haney, if shawn showed up in career best shape, recall Haney was WAY OFF in 90 and 89 he would have.

really, look at this back:

its lightyears ahead of Labradas and probably better than the shape Haney was in at the 89/90 olympia's

LMFAO I've heard it all now lol You always were good for a roaring laugh lol thats why no one ever took you seriously because of your outlandish nonsense

Ray's back is NOT ' lightyears ' ahead of Labradas and entertaining it was , wouldn't matter , Shaw's back was '
lightyears ' ahead of Nasser's and he still got beat , when will you learn it's POSES NOT PARTS that win contests?

[Hulkster]

when will you learn it's POSES NOT PARTS that win contests?

yes hence why shawn in his career best shape would kill Lee Labrada and probably beat Haney as he was in 89 and 90.

deal with it.

he would beat Lee in every pose

[Parker]

And what he's supposed to do, besides add too much weight too quickly, blow his proportions, and ruin a top 5 physique?

Exactly. By the perverse standards of the judges. They would have rewarded him him for ruining his physique. Have you ever noticed, that except for a few exceptions, most bbers look their best their first 1 or two years? Those that gradually add weight stay within their physique's "lines". But, at the same time, the judges and fans say that they don't change and their physiques are "boring".

And that is one of the major problems with modern day bbing. It is bodybuilding, and presenting the best physique on that day. But the judges reward freakiness, and the fans want to see freakiness. Either because it is rewarded or because that is what they want to see.
Shawn, Dex, Flex, Chris were not "freaks".

[MCWAY]

Dex toiled away and finally got the nod , and Dex was much heavier than Shawn ever was and had great conditioning to boot. same with Jay. Cutler technically beat Coleman in 2001 and then Gunther beat him in 2002 and some say Kevin should have beaten in 2002 at the Olympia

And Dex beat a WAY off Jay , Dorian wasn't that off in 94 he was off from 1993 but not as bad as Jay and still good enough to beat Shawn.

That was my point. Jackson got the nod, because the judges ceased with that incumbency factor stuff. The reigning Mr. O (Cutler) was way off the mark and he got beat.

I believe the same should have happen in 1994, with Ray getting the title instead of Yates. Like Jackson, Ray would have won it just once. But, if there was one for him to win, it was that one.