How was Shawn Ray never Mr. Olympia?

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes hence why shawn in his career best shape would kill Lee Labrada and probably beat Haney as he was in 89 and 90.

deal with it.

he would beat Lee in every pose

Sure he would  A career best Ray ( according to you ) LOST the pre-judging to an OFF Kevin Levrone in 94 LMFAO and yet he's supposed to beat an Off Haney and a spot-on Labrada , I'll give you this , at least you're consistently stupid 

[NarcissisticDeity]

That was my point. Jackson got the nod, because the judges ceased with that incumbency factor stuff. The reigning Mr. O (Cutler) was way off the mark and he got beat.

I believe the same should have happen in 1994, with Ray getting the title instead of Yates. Like Jackson, Ray would have won it just once. But, if there was one for him to win, it was that one.

My point is Jay deserved to lose that contest and Dorian didn't. Jay was way off and paid the price , same as Ronnie in 2002 at the SOS

Dorian wasn't that bad in 94

[NarcissisticDeity]

Exactly. By the perverse standards of the judges. They would have rewarded him him for ruining his physique. Have you ever noticed, that except for a few exceptions, most bbers look their best their first 1 or two years? Those that gradually add weight stay within their physique's "lines". But, at the same time, the judges and fans say that they don't change and their physiques are "boring".

And that is one of the major problems with modern day bbing. It is bodybuilding, and presenting the best physique on that day. But the judges reward freakiness, and the fans want to see freakiness. Either because it is rewarded or because that is what they want to see.
Shawn, Dex, Flex, Chris were not "freaks".

That defies logic because Shawn Ray beat Nasser plenty of times , the judges didn't just reward freaks if that were the case , Nasser would have won much more than he did

[Hulkster]

Sure he would   A career best Ray ( according to you ) LOST the pre-judging to an OFF Kevin Levrone in 94 LMFAO and yet he's supposed to beat an Off Haney and a spot-on Labrada , I'll give you this , at least you're consistently stupid 

when are you going to realize that you can't compare two physiques by looking at the scorecards at different contests and trying to act like the numbers assigned to each physique mean anything when trying to compare them?

 


you are comparing apples to oranges.

just because shawn got a 7 at one contest and lee a 6 or vice versa means nothing

you have to compare them physique to physique not number at one venue at one date compared to a number at another venue at another date..

competely retarded and ignorant of the way bb works.

when you compare the two shawn comes out on top by a large margin when shawn was at his peak

[MCWAY]

My point is Jay deserved to lose that contest and Dorian didn't. Jay was way off and paid the price , same as Ronnie in 2002 at the SOS

Dorian wasn't that bad in 94

Cutler had both of his biceps intact. Yates didn't.

[Royalty]

Levrone looked very flat during the finals @ the 1995 Olympia. He peaked for prejudging. But got flatter & flatter as the day wore on. He was very impressive at the prejudging

[NarcissisticDeity]

Cutler had both of his biceps intact. Yates didn't.

True , but Yates had his density & dryness and Jay looked pregnant and soft

[Parker]

That defies logic because Shawn Ray beat Nasser plenty of times , the judges didn't just reward freaks if that were the case , Nasser would have won much more than he did

The problem with Nasser as you had pointed out years ago, was that Nasser was two types of physiques. One from the front, and one from the back. He awed people with his size and from the front, but when he turned around, he was not the same.

[NarcissisticDeity]

when are you going to realize that you can't compare two physiques by looking at the scorecards at different contests and trying to act like the numbers assigned to each physique mean anything when trying to compare them?

 


you are comparing apples to oranges.

just because shawn got a 7 at one contest and lee a 6 or vice versa means nothing

you have to compare them physique to physique not number at one venue at one date compared to a number at another venue at another date..

competely retarded and ignorant of the way bb works.

when you compare the two shawn comes out on top by a large margin when shawn was at his peak

We can assess them competitively DIRECTLY when they competed against each other and guess what? Shawn got his ass kicked by Lee 

Lee beat Shawn 4 times and Shawn just beat him ONCE.


Thanks for playing Hulkster , as usual you have zero for me.

[Royalty]

I am a Dorian fan, but I think that Levrone should have won in 1994. Yates didn't train his upper body much during the final month leading up to that show.

[NarcissisticDeity]

The problem with Nasser as you had pointed out years ago, was that Nasser was two types of physiques. One from the front, and one from the back. He awed people with his size and from the front, but when he turned around, he was not the same.

Absolutely true and it's why Shawn beat him but to say they just rewards freaks isn't accurate , hell if that were the case Fux , Atwood , Nasser , and Dillett would have been the kings

[NarcissisticDeity]

I am a Dorian fan, but I think that Levrone should have won in 1994. Yates didn't train his upper body much during the final month leading up to that show.

I made these before , these are from 1993 and 1994 one bicep is slightly shorter than the other , it wasn't that big of a deal and like the head judge said , it made no OVERALL difference.

[Royalty]

Yates crushing Shawn on a rear double bi in 1994

[Royalty]

Shawn is getting dwarfed pretty badly in this pic. Levrone & Yates were too big & wide for Shawn.

[Hulkster]

We can assess them competitively DIRECTLY when they competed against each other and guess what? Shawn got his ass kicked by Lee   

but shawn wasn't close to his career peak except in 93

and guess what happened:

LEE LOST MISERABLYshawn was even better in 94.

thanks for playing. you lose.

[NarcissisticDeity]

but shawn wasn't close to his career peak except in 93

and guess what happened:

LEE LOST MISERABLYshawn was even better in 94.

thanks for playing. you lose.

LMAO he beat Lee ONCE and he was lucky to do that. FACT Lee beat Shawn 4-to-1 , Lee's better kid. Deal with it 

Facts are still NOT your friend moron.

Shawn was just as good in 92 as he was in 94  and he " LOST MISERABLY "

[NarcissisticDeity]

Here's Shawn 1987 , looks just like he did most of his career

[Parker]

Shawn is getting dwarfed pretty badly in this pic. Levrone & Yates were too big & wide for Shawn.

Shawn's lower body in better "condition"...and check those diamond calves.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Shawn's lower body in better "condition"...and check those diamond calves.

What do you mean?

[Hulkster]

Here's Shawn 1987 , looks just like he did most of his career

but not from the back:

shawn at the 88 NOC vs 95 Mr. O:

sorry ND, you lose yet again.

real world comparisons are not your friend.

your scorecard "facts" (sic) get proven wrong. probably why they aren't facts to begin with. Fallacies, actually.

[wes]

Shawn Ray was damned near perfect IMO.

[Parker]

What do you mean?

In that pic Shawn's lower body is dryer and more defined---glutes, hams, calves, than Dorians or Kevin's is.

[Hulkster]

In that pic Shawn's lower body is dryer and more defined---glutes, hams, calves, than Dorians or Kevin's is.

shhh.. ND doesn't see that when comparing the scorecard from the 90 olympia vs the 94 olympia..

what a tool.

[NarcissisticDeity]

but not from the back:

shawn at the 88 NOC vs 95 Mr. O:

sorry ND, you lose yet again.

real world comparisons are not your friend.

your scorecard "facts" (sic) get proven wrong. probably why they aren't facts to begin with. Fallacies, actually.

yes from the back dummy , check out the fucking video moron , you Googled the worse pic of Shawn's back you could find as proof and think you struck gold  typical dumb move from you but hey you don't have anything to work with to begin with.

[NarcissisticDeity]

In that pic Shawn's lower body is dryer and more defined---glutes, hams, calves, than Dorians or Kevin's is.

That's because Dorian's not actually hitting the shot yet , dorian's calves , hams and ass striations are all there when he's flexing