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Re: My drug dilemma, hmmmmmm
« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2006, 08:08:22 PM »
Howie:
If you only knew the POWER of the darkside!
Then you would never know the power that lies within you and how far you could have ever taken your physique by striving to be your best!
If you can't do it on your own, then maybe you shouldn't be doing it at all...
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Re: My drug dilemma, hmmmmmm
« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2006, 09:05:24 PM »
Then you would never know the power that lies within you and how far you could have ever taken your physique by striving to be your best!
If you can't do it on your own, then maybe you shouldn't be doing it at all...
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Feel good words, but nothing compared to a bottle of test.  ;)

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Re: My drug dilemma, hmmmmmm
« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2006, 09:06:03 PM »
Then you would never know the power that lies within you and how far you could have ever taken your physique by striving to be your best!
If you can't do it on your own, then maybe you shouldn't be doing it at all...
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i dont do the darkside because i love the light so much

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Re: My drug dilemma, hmmmmmm
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2006, 10:17:55 PM »
Ya know, down deep, I really do wish I was able to "get on the sauce" and go full bore for the masters nationals, but I won't. Why?
LEGAL hassles, pure and simple. On a personal note I have no problems with any bodybuilder taking whatever they want or need to compete and look their best. For me I really don't have the drug option. If I did and got busted I would risk losing my teacher certificate and career, THAT ain't worth it .
Sooooooo, if I just go ahead and compete and do so knowing I am at a disadvantage, is that the solution??? In my opinion, it sucks that I would have to risk breaking the law and losing my career ,just to compete on a level playing field...go figure.
Frustrated like an ol' BI-Atch,  Howard in Ga
Hey Howie,
I feel your frustration as I am in the same boat as you. I do want to compete and actually have in the past but since I don't use gear, I look at those who are on stuff and often compare realizing that it's not a fair game. As a matter of fact I have considered doing it many times and every time I think, OK go do it and stop being all depressed about it. But then I think of the future and what I will gain versus how the use of drugs will impair my health and every time cons overweigh the pros. You say it sucks that you would have to break the law...I am surprised you did not say it sucks that you have to ruin your health...And for what? Even if you are genetically gifted and have a great chance of making it to the top, look at all other guys like Melvin, Darrem, Shawn and so many other pros who have been in the sport and haven't made all the way to the top. You have to think what it will give you and why you are doing it. If it is to say become Mr. O one day, then I hope you realize how many hours, months and years it may take and you don't even know if you ever make it. However, if you are doing it because of your love for BB, then imagine what an accomplishment that would be to build your physique the way you visualize it and more importantly doing it on your own, pushing hard, going throw that last rep when your body is exhausted and you can't seem to find a way to do it but yet you do. Then you look back after putting in all that effort, eating clean, training smart, and you see a new and improved you. And sure it will not be like 20 lbs of mass you gain over 2 months period of time but it will be those small maybe noticable only to you changes that will make you grin. That feeling is like nothing else because you know that it was you who did it, not some drug that you shoot your body with but your discipline, consistancy and dedication. That is much more pride and applaude deserving than any of the freaky looking top BB's on stage these day who do use drugs. That is fake. You need to decide whether you are doing it for yourself or for some one else. In the end it is your health and only you will have to bear the consequences which you never know what they will be. Imagine never knowing how far you could go without the drugs...Think just for a moment...Drugs will take you where you want to be, sure...But what if you could get to that point by your own potency of mind and passion for the sport. Think! In the end, of course, it is your choice, just make sure it is a wise one...Sincerely wishing you all the best in your future endeavors!

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« Reply #54 on: February 28, 2006, 03:19:09 AM »
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Bro don't say it if you don't mean it cuz I'll eat you out of house and home..and I love Tom Jones and he'll be in Vegas soon..Just saw him in NYC
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« Reply #55 on: February 28, 2006, 04:02:08 PM »
Hey Howie,
I feel your frustration as I am in the same boat as you. I do want to compete and actually have in the past but since I don't use gear, I look at those who are on stuff and often compare realizing that it's not a fair game. As a matter of fact I have considered doing it many times and every time I think, OK go do it and stop being all depressed about it. But then I think of the future and what I will gain versus how the use of drugs will impair my health and every time cons overweigh the pros. You say it sucks that you would have to break the law...I am surprised you did not say it sucks that you have to ruin your health...And for what? Even if you are genetically gifted and have a great chance of making it to the top, look at all other guys like Melvin, Darrem, Shawn and so many other pros who have been in the sport and haven't made all the way to the top. You have to think what it will give you and why you are doing it. If it is to say become Mr. O one day, then I hope you realize how many hours, months and years it may take and you don't even know if you ever make it. However, if you are doing it because of your love for BB, then imagine what an accomplishment that would be to build your physique the way you visualize it and more importantly doing it on your own, pushing hard, going throw that last rep when your body is exhausted and you can't seem to find a way to do it but yet you do. Then you look back after putting in all that effort, eating clean, training smart, and you see a new and improved you. And sure it will not be like 20 lbs of mass you gain over 2 months period of time but it will be those small maybe noticable only to you changes that will make you grin. That feeling is like nothing else because you know that it was you who did it, not some drug that you shoot your body with but your discipline, consistancy and dedication. That is much more pride and applaude deserving than any of the freaky looking top BB's on stage these day who do use drugs. That is fake. You need to decide whether you are doing it for yourself or for some one else. In the end it is your health and only you will have to bear the consequences which you never know what they will be. Imagine never knowing how far you could go without the drugs...Think just for a moment...Drugs will take you where you want to be, sure...But what if you could get to that point by your own potency of mind and passion for the sport. Think! In the end, of course, it is your choice, just make sure it is a wise one...Sincerely wishing you all the best in your future endeavors!

Great reply and I found most here actually supportive of my personal dilemma. I have a script for Androgel and use a 1 gram pack each day by rubbing it on. It keeps my test levels in the ideal, no more, no less. The co-pay is a mere 25 bucks a month, so what the hell. I looked into the HGH anti age clinic deal, not bad and legal of course but not as much bang for your buck in my opinion.I am antsy about any overseas on line thing, for obvious reasons. I am doing pretty well, as is and at my stage it is all personal anyway. I am going for the NPC open Ga state on July 8, 19 weeks to go, D-I-E-T is my deal now.A buddy of mine , Joe Ned won the NPC La , open men in 2000 at age 49, with little or no juice, so it can be done. He also got 2nd at that years masters nationals.

At just think it is so lame and retarded that one has to pretty much risk breaking the federal drug laws and maybe even  become a criminal just to go pro these days.
Oh well, a musclehead I am,   Howard
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Re: My drug dilemma, hmmmmmm
« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2006, 04:06:22 PM »
Howie took gear back in the 80's he admitted it before...
He even got a pic in musclemag once that his ex wife sent in.

Yes I did small 1 drug at a time cycles back in the mid 80's. The pic in MM was no big deal, just in letters to editor section.
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Re: My drug dilemma, hmmmmmm
« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2006, 11:38:07 AM »


 
         
Steroid suppliers busted in 'huge' hit

Investigation largest ever in U.S. history

By Onell R. Soto
STAFF WRITER

December 16, 2005

Federal authorities announced yesterday that they have broken up a group of Mexican companies that supplies most of the illegal steroids used by hundreds of thousands of athletes, bodybuilders and others in the United States.

The steroid investigation resulted in the indictment of 23 people and eight Mexican companies, and was the largest in U.S. history, said John S. Fernandes, the special agent in charge of the San Diego DEA office.

 
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 Run by undercover Drug Enforcement Administration agents, Operation Gear Grinder was aimed at disrupting the flow of anabolic steroids from the Mexican labs to American gyms, high schools and locker rooms. (Gear is slang for steroids.)

"It's huge," said Dr. Don Catlin, who heads an anti-doping lab at UCLA and who works with the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. "It's clearly a real hit."

The head of the largest manufacturer of the drugs appeared in a San Diego federal courtroom yesterday, charged with conspiring to import and distribute steroids and to launder money.

A Mexican veterinarian, Dr. Alberto Saltiel Cohen was among those indicted, which took place in secret in September at the culmination of the nearly two-year investigation.

His three Mexico City companies – Quality Vet, Denkall and Animal Power – produce more than 75 percent of the steroids seized in the United States, prosecutors said. The other companies indicted were Laboratorios Tornel, Laboratorios Brovel, Pet's Pharma, Syd Group and Loeffler.

Mexican companies account for 82 percent of the illicit U.S. steroid supply, authorities said.

The manufacturers and distributors primarily use Web sites and e-mail to reach customers.

Saltiel and three distributors were arrested Wednesday in San Diego. A fourth distributor was arrested in Texas. U.S. officials said they are working with Mexican officials to secure the extradition of the other company executives and distributors.

The arrests did not shut down the companies, many of which still have functioning Web sites. Prosecutors said they hope Mexican authorities will go after the drug makers.

As part of the investigation, federal agents tracked or seized more than 360,000 doses of steroids.

Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation agents tracked millions of dollars in payments, some of them in cash taken across the border, said Kenneth Hines, who oversees local IRS investigators. The DEA says the eight companies had $56 million a year in steroid sales to the United States.

Prosecutors are seeking the forfeiture of at least $15 million that they say can prove are proceeds from the companies' trafficking.

Steroids, typically a synthetic form of testosterone and other hormones, are used by bodybuilders to speed muscle growth, by athletes to develop strength and, increasingly, by high school girls to increase muscle tone.

In the United States, steroids have been illegal without a prescription since 1991. Side effects include excess body hair, acne, depression, inexplicable anger, deepening of the voice, smaller breasts in women and smaller testicles in men.

Don Hooton's son Taylor, a high-school pitcher, committed suicide less than six months after first using steroids.

Hooten and his wife of Plano, Texas, tried but failed to discover what was behind their son's mood swings, body changes, and outbursts in which he twice put his fist through walls.

"We missed it," he said. "Our family doctor missed it."

Eventually, Taylor told a psychologist about using steroids and quit soon after.

But the deepest depression can come after steroid use stops, and that's when Taylor killed himself two years ago, Hooton said.

Hooten, a marketing manager for a computer company, has started a foundation in his son's memory and become an expert on steroid abuse.

"This is important," he said of yesterday's announcement. "This is a big day."

Prosecutors said the Mexican companies market the vials and pills containing steroids mainly through the Internet and in pharmacies in such border and tourist cities as Tijuana, Nuevo Laredo and Cancun.

Saltiel's companies billed more than $11 million in orders to a single Tijuana distributor, prosecutors said.

On the Web sites, some of which are registered in Mexico but run out of servers in the United States, the companies say the drugs are for animals, and the packaging has pictures of cats and dogs.

But the potency and formulas of the drugs wouldn't work in veterinary medicine, said prosecutor Laura Duffy. "It would take a 600-pound cat or dog to effectively use these products," she said.

The distributors' Web sites make no such pretense that the drugs are for animals, using names such as Steroids Club and Roids Shop.

Agents now have the names of more than 2,000 customers – individuals and distributors – and will work with authorities in every state to decide whom to prosecute.

Bodybuilding Internet bulletin boards were buzzing yesterday.

One poster who goes by "6ft8monster" and boasts a 415-pound bench press wrote on bodybuilding.com shortly after news of the steroid announcement broke: "Damn. That's crazy. I guess it was a matter of time. I wonder how that will affect the (bodybuilding) community."

The next poster replied: "You can bet it will have a huge impact." Authorities wouldn't say whether any of those customers included professional or college-level athletes.

The types of drugs sold by the Mexican companies show up in tests given to most professional and Olympic athletes.

"This is not a sport issue," said Travis Tygart, general counsel for the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. "This is an issue for our country, for our youth."

He said the investigation is part of a larger crackdown on steroids – from the BALCO investigation in the San Francisco Bay Area that shut down a sophisticated lab catering to baseball, football and track-and-field athletes, to the mention of steroids in the president's State of the Union address in 2004 to increased penalties for such use in Major League Baseball.

"You have to get at the supply of these drugs in order to root out the problem," Tygart said. "It also sends a clear signal that the federal government takes these things seriously."

The border between San Diego and Tijuana, where more than 1,000 pharmacies peddle steroids, has long been known as one of the primary entry points for the drugs.

In 1987, customs investigators broke a multimillion-dollar steroid ring here, confiscating $600,000 worth of the drugs and seeking the arrest of 34 people, including prominent athletes. At the time, authorities said the ring was responsible for 70 percent of the black market nationwide.

Hooton, who said his son bought steroids from a dealer supplied by a Mexican pharmacy, said authorities can't rest now.

"Continued vigilance is absolutely necessary," he said, noting that steroids also are being produced in Eastern Europe. "Somebody's going to step in and fill the void."

Staff Writer Mark Zeigler contributed to this report.



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Re: My drug dilemma, hmmmmmm
« Reply #58 on: March 06, 2006, 11:45:39 AM »
Those of you complaining about the health problems associated with anabolic steroids are females. When healthy adult males use(not abuse) anabolic steroids there are often no side effects associated with them. Even when studies were done on males who actually abused steroids,No side effects were noted.

To save time from posting a long drawn out post about this here is a good show to watch..It's in AVI so those of you on cable can download it. It's a Real Sports episode debunking the myths about the dangers of anabolic steroids.


http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/hbosteroids/HBO-Real-Sports-steroid-special.avi

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Re: My drug dilemma, hmmmmmm
« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2006, 11:57:45 AM »
Great reply and I found most here actually supportive of my personal dilemma. I have a script for Androgel and use a 1 gram pack each day by rubbing it on. It keeps my test levels in the ideal, no more, no less. The co-pay is a mere 25 bucks a month, so what the hell. I looked into the HGH anti age clinic deal, not bad and legal of course but not as much bang for your buck in my opinion.I am antsy about any overseas on line thing, for obvious reasons. I am doing pretty well, as is and at my stage it is all personal anyway. I am going for the NPC open Ga state on July 8, 19 weeks to go, D-I-E-T is my deal now.A buddy of mine , Joe Ned won the NPC La , open men in 2000 at age 49, with little or no juice, so it can be done. He also got 2nd at that years masters nationals.
At just think it is so lame and retarded that one has to pretty much risk breaking the federal drug laws and maybe even  become a criminal just to go pro these days.
Oh well, a musclehead I am,   Howard

Are you a male or a female? You're naive if you believe half of what you're saying. There are little/No health risks associated with anabolic steroids from a scientific standpoint when used(not abused) in health adult males. Don't buy into the propaganda. And if you think somsone can win a NPC contest without juice you're simply deluding yourself.

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« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2006, 10:46:12 PM »
 you'll see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #62 on: March 07, 2006, 06:32:57 AM »
you'll see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DUDE..

You have to learn something about Mexico: TJ, Laredo, Nogales, etc. are known as "border towns."  They are are not subject to the same laws as the the "real" Mexico which starts another 20 KM south - except for Baja which is all border zone.  Once you cross into Mexico proper you can buy all the gear you want at legit pharmacies for legit prices. Yes, it's a pain to have to travel farther down, but there is plenty of real gear down here.  And it is not going away.

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« Reply #63 on: March 07, 2006, 06:35:09 AM »
Thanks Crusher for your contribution to further the spread of steroids , no matter how insignificant you are... ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #64 on: March 08, 2006, 09:06:19 PM »
thanx crusher!
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