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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #125 on: April 04, 2015, 10:17:46 PM »
What puzzles me, is as odd as such claims above,  he can explain how protein and fats work rather deeply. Gotta give him credit for that, it does show he knows his nutrition on a high level.

Then at times, kinda seems like he's trolling to keep his character fun as straight up information is kinda boring.

Didn't like you much at first Erik but am seeing this differently now.
He could have thrown the coffee coment in as a joke.

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« Reply #126 on: April 04, 2015, 10:22:25 PM »
He could have thrown the coffee coment in as a joke.

His reasoning is coffee is a bean that comes from a plant and plants have carbs.
Correct, Erik?

How that can affect blood sugar? No idea...
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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #127 on: April 04, 2015, 10:29:09 PM »
His reasoning is coffee is a bean that comes from a plant and plants have carbs.
Correct, Erik?

How that can affect blood sugar? No idea..

Carbs even mixed in water can spike insulin to fat forming levels. As I said, it is to be avoided if you are doing extremely low carb diet, to lose body fat.

You can, as I do, take digestive enzymes with each meal. Ox bile is especially good for digesting fats. Plant based fats should be avoided, as they are the most indigestible fats. I only use EVOO and EV sesame seed oil, sparingly.

There is no reason that an ecto requires carbs.

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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #128 on: April 04, 2015, 10:31:13 PM »
His reasoning is coffee is a bean that comes from a plant and plants have carbs.
Correct, Erik?

How that can affect blood sugar? No idea...
Plants are amazing. I love all vegetables. Eric doesn't use extra virgin olive oil I noticed but instead consumes butter and cream a lot. I am the opposite... I try to stay clear of animal fats and consume a lot of extra Virgin olive oil. I also use flaxseed oil in my am protein shake.

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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #129 on: April 04, 2015, 10:31:27 PM »
12 weeks on Keto, don't think we have to wonder about his natty status



This wasn't a 12-week transformation. It was 30 weeks. And the guy  competes in physique contests, so is it really that unlikely that he uses gear?


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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #130 on: April 04, 2015, 10:32:46 PM »
Coffee triggers insulin so he's right about the effect wrong about the carb. Right its a natural transformation........ completely fucking clueless about carbs! Carbs do not make you fat, I used to believe this crap and constantly did Keto diets.
There is no process in the body that converts carbs into fat. Moderate carbs mixers with high fat make you fat.  You body loves carbs for fuel, it chooses to use it over all other sources.   when you eat carbs and fat combined your body uses all the carbs for fuel and stores the less efficient fuel fat for another time.  In fact if you eat a diet massively high in carbs but have no fat content you will feel amazing, loose weight and brain function higher.  
Until I became a cyclist I had the same over researched attitude towards carbs.  I can eat 8-10k calories in carbs and still loose weight.

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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #131 on: April 04, 2015, 10:35:49 PM »
Coffee triggers insulin so he's right about the effect wrong about the carb. Right its a natural transformation........ completely fucking clueless about carbs! Carbs do not make you fat, I used to believe this crap and constantly did Keto diets.
There is no process in the body that converts carbs into fat. Moderate carbs mixers with high fat make you fat.  You body loves carbs for fuel, it chooses to use it over all other sources.   when you eat carbs and fat combined your body uses all the carbs for fuel and stores the less efficient fuel fat for another time.  In fact if you eat a diet massively high in carbs but have no fat content you will feel amazing, loose weight and brain function higher.  
Until I became a cyclist I had the same over researched attitude towards carbs.  I can eat 8-10k calories in carbs and still loose weight.
A good solid post !!!

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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #132 on: April 04, 2015, 10:39:48 PM »
This wasn't a 12-week transformation. It was 30 weeks. And the guy  competes in physique contests, so is it really that unlikely that he uses gear?

Don't know who the guy is, but the pictures as you posted them, are not the least bit unusual, for 12 week transformation, doing a very strict extremely low carb keto diet.

Could he be using gear? Could be. Still, the results could easily been obtained without gear, doing real keto.

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« Reply #133 on: April 04, 2015, 10:44:51 PM »
Don't know who the guy is, but the pictures as you posted them, are not the least bit unusual, for 12 week transformation, doing a very strict extremely low carb keto diet.

Could he be using gear? Could be. Still, the results could easily been obtained without gear, doing real keto.
It was 30 weeks on keto and he doesn't impress me.

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« Reply #134 on: April 04, 2015, 10:52:27 PM »
There is no process in the body that converts carbs into fat.

You posted a lot of stupid things in one short paragraph, but that sentence is about as clueless as it gets. You know nothing about the physiological processes of fat creation in the human body. I'd explain it in detail, as I would also explain how cycling is a lousy form of exercise that badly stresses the hip bones, being used at a bad angle, leading to a huge spike in the number of broken hips in bike riders, because the human body isn't designed to run in a seated position, but I really don't believe that you are mentally capable of understanding any explanation, of any subject, known to man.

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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #135 on: April 04, 2015, 10:56:23 PM »
I think it's time for Eric to post up a pic of his Physquie instead of belittling everyone else.

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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #136 on: April 04, 2015, 11:00:55 PM »
Don't know who the guy is, but the pictures as you posted them, are not the least bit unusual, for 12 week transformation, doing a very strict extremely low carb keto diet.

Could he be using gear? Could be. Still, the results could easily been obtained without gear, doing real keto.

The results would be unusual for a 12-week keto, but it's not even a 12 week transformation. It was 30 weeks.

And you seriously don't think he's added muscle to his arms, traps and shoulders? Just stripped off fat

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« Reply #137 on: April 04, 2015, 11:01:54 PM »
I think it's time for Eric to post up a pic of his Physquie instead of belittling everyone else.

As usual, you're thinking wrong. I don't do this for a living, and in my real life, I don't want to be linked with bodybuilding, and the juicing associated with it in the public's mind.

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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #138 on: April 04, 2015, 11:07:22 PM »
The results would be unusual for a 12-week keto, but it's not even a 12 week transformation. It was 30 weeks.

And you seriously don't think he's added muscle to his arms, traps and shoulders? Just stripped off fat

I don't see any muscle increase at all. All I see is an increase in the muscle that is visible now, that was covered by body fat before. His face got thinner, even the jaw line. It would have been the reverse, if he had been on juice.

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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #139 on: April 04, 2015, 11:13:40 PM »
As usual, you're thinking wrong. I don't do this for a living, and in my real life, I don't want to be linked with bodybuilding, and the juicing associated with it in the public's mind.
Your belittling digs are to divert the fact that you don't have any Physquie to display,  which would corelate with what you are preaching. Posting a pic with your face edited out is what we want to see.

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« Reply #140 on: April 04, 2015, 11:19:24 PM »
Your belittling digs are to divert the fact that you don't have any Physquie to display,  which would corelate with what you are preaching. Posting a pic with your face edited out is what we want to see.

Why? You'll just say it's not me.

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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #141 on: April 04, 2015, 11:21:48 PM »
I don't see any muscle increase at all. All I see is an increase in the muscle that is visible now, that was covered by body fat before. His face got thinner, even the jaw line. It would have been the reverse, if he had been on juice.

The increase in muscle size is pretty obvious. And if he's fat and loses weight, of course his face will get thinner, even on gear.

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« Reply #142 on: April 04, 2015, 11:30:03 PM »
The increase in muscle size is pretty obvious. And if he's fat and loses weight, of course his face will get thinner, even on gear.

In the after picture, he is standing closer to the mirror. That's all you are seeing.

You seem to think that no one can get in great shape without drugs. But once upon a time, in an another era, not that far far away back in time, there were no drugs to use, and people still got in shape, got stronger, got bigger, and sure got better looking bodies, than what passes for bodybuilders today. And, you know what? It can be done today too. Just by doing what bodybuilders did, before there were any drugs to use.

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Re: Strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #143 on: April 04, 2015, 11:50:13 PM »
When your body produces insulin it stores all fats and TRIES to convert glycogen (from carbs)into fat stores. The process is called de novo lipogenesis and is so inefficient it's now believed not possible.  Your kidneys are also like a car they have a certain amount of mileage they can cope with, they may be working fine now but all that high protein will shorten the life function of them.  A high carb, low fat diet is exactly how your body was designed to function.  You educated yourself on the advantages of a low carb diet but none of the disadvantages, think you should look read up on both sides of the story and stop snipping at people.

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« Reply #144 on: April 04, 2015, 11:54:07 PM »
When your body produces insulin it stores all fats and TRIES to convert glycogen (from carbs)into fat stores. The process is called de novo lipogenesis and is so inefficient it's now believed not possible.  Your kidneys are also like a car they have a certain amount of mileage they can cope with, they may be working fine now but all that high protein will shorten the life function of them.  A high carb, low fat diet is exactly how your body was designed to function.  You educated yourself on the advantages of a low carb diet but none of the disadvantages, think you should look read up on both sides of the story and stop snipping at people.

For the sake of humanity, hop into your kidneys, and drive off a cliff.

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« Reply #145 on: April 05, 2015, 01:50:16 AM »
Medicine in 2015 says: combine sugar & fat = obesity

Pizza + booze = Basile

I eat sugar and fat everyday and I've been sub 10% for decades.

It's how much you eat. Eat a cube of sugar and a stick of butter everyday and see if you get fat.

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« Reply #146 on: April 05, 2015, 01:52:07 AM »
In order to function properly, his brain needs more carbs

Isn't being in a state of ketosis is when your body is converting amino acids into glucose?

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« Reply #147 on: April 05, 2015, 02:05:45 AM »
Isn't being in a state of ketosis is when your body is converting amino acids into glucose?

From what I've read about it, yes, and this shows that your body needs glucose in order to function properly.

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« Reply #148 on: April 05, 2015, 02:31:39 AM »

Good stuff, Pellius!
Thanks!!

When was the last time you saw Dan?

Haven't seen him since I moved back to Hawaii in 2006. His daughter was a hottie and was part of the office crew in the old Moon Lighting series where Bruce Willis got his start.

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« Reply #149 on: April 05, 2015, 02:35:31 AM »
Sad thing when you read in to Bruce Lee, like Michael Jordan as well, is they were/are both complete assholes

Never got that impression or vibe at all and this is the first time I've heard such a claim. Lee, like Jordan, like all who are driven to succeed, are intense personalities and I'm sure has rubbed people the wrong way at times. I mean, Arnold was infamous for his ruthless personality. But I never heard of Lee being generally regarded as an asshole.