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Re: strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #50 on: April 02, 2015, 10:20:36 PM »

Nah, chest and abs aren't the same. Losing fat is 90% of the battle with abs. You don't lose fat to reveal a good chest. You still have to build muscle for a good chest and shoulders.

You do, if your chest is covered in fat, as his was. Losing body fat, is necessary for seeing muscle definition all over the body. He lost 30 to 35 pounds of all body fat, as a keto diet preserves muscle tissue. So, losing that much body fat is definitely going to reveal some previously invisible muscles.

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« Reply #51 on: April 02, 2015, 11:11:40 PM »
You do, if your chest is covered in fat, as his was. Losing body fat, is necessary for seeing muscle definition all over the body. He lost 30 to 35 pounds of all body fat, as a keto diet preserves muscle tissue. So, losing that much body fat is definitely going to reveal some previously invisible muscles.

Bro, c'mon. All you have to do is google "keto transformations"  and see that most don't result in chests changing that drastically. We're not talking about preserving muscle. We're talking about building a significant amount of new muscle.

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« Reply #52 on: April 02, 2015, 11:20:06 PM »
This is the kid from "Twilight". The right pic is after he went on a strict training regiment to put on muscle. He reportedly went from 140 to 170 between the two pics. Let's pretend him being in Hollywood doesn't increase the likelihood that he used steroids to accomplish this. Compare his chest to the guy in OP.

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« Reply #53 on: April 02, 2015, 11:26:13 PM »
Bro, c'mon. All you have to do is google "keto transformations"  and see that most don't result in chests changing that drastically. We're not talking about preserving muscle. We're talking about building a significant amount of new muscle.

But the OP didn't put on a bunch of muscle. He lost weight, by losing body fat. In the before picture, you can't see muscle anywhere as he was carrying so much body fat, so how do you decide that he gained muscle, in the after picture, when you can't see any muscle in the before picture, to compare it to?

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« Reply #54 on: April 02, 2015, 11:28:26 PM »
This is the kid from "Twilight". The right pic is after he went on a strict training regiment to put on muscle. He reportedly went from 140 to 170 between the two pics. Let's pretend him being in Hollywood doesn't increase the likelihood that he used steroids to accomplish this. Compare his chest to the guy in OP.
This kid gained weight. The kid in the OP lost weight. And of course in Hollywood, its all retouched photos anyway.

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« Reply #55 on: April 02, 2015, 11:29:56 PM »
Asian diets are generally high carb. So going keto will produce great results quickly. Bruce Lee would go extremely low carb to get in shape for movies. At least he did until the year before he died, when he also went extremely low fat too. You live well without carbs, but you truly need fats in your diet to be healthy.

How did you find out about what kind of diet Bruce Lee followed. I was a huge fan of his and use to watch him on TV during his Green Hornet days. I also followed him in all the mags primarily Black Belt. I read a ton of his biographies and the only thing I remember unusual about his diet was that he drank beef blood for a while. He also complained about not getting enough food and especially meat while filming in China ("Fist of Fury" and "The Chinese Connection".

I would appreciate greatly if you could provide a link to any and all information regarding Bruce Lee's diet. I know he subscribe to Weider's Muscle and Fitness with he was well informed as to the world of bodybuilding.

BTW, as far as I could tell and what was said about him was that Lee was always lean and in shape. According to Dan Inosanto's who I know personally and had trained with for years in the 1990s Bruce did at one point "bulk up" to 150-155 pounds but that was temporary and he did not like the extra weight. He held steady at 135 lbs and didn't have to "get in shape" for a movie.

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« Reply #56 on: April 02, 2015, 11:40:42 PM »
But the OP didn't put on a bunch of muscle. He lost weight, by losing body fat. In the before picture, you can't see muscle anywhere as he was carrying so much body fat, so how do you decide that he gained muscle, in the after picture, when you can't see any muscle in the before picture, to compare it to?

The chest in the after pic is clearly larger and more muscular than the before pic. The inner chest in the first pic is flat as a board, while there is crevice in the after pic. 

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« Reply #57 on: April 02, 2015, 11:42:17 PM »
This kid gained weight. The kid in the OP lost weight. And of course in Hollywood, its all retouched photos anyway.

That is the point. The  pics compare favorable with someone who went on a mass BUILDING diet.

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« Reply #58 on: April 02, 2015, 11:44:09 PM »
How did you find out about what kind of diet Bruce Lee followed. I was a huge fan of his and use to watch him on TV during his Green Hornet days. I also followed him in all the mags primarily Black Belt. I read a ton of his biographies and the only thing I remember unusual about his diet was that he drank beef blood for a while. He also complained about not getting enough food and especially meat while filming in China ("Fist of Fury" and "The Chinese Connection".

I would appreciate greatly if you could provide a link to any and all information regarding Bruce Lee's diet. I know he subscribe to Weider's Muscle and Fitness with he was well informed as to the world of bodybuilding.

BTW, as far as I could tell and what was said about him was that Lee was always lean and in shape. According to Dan Inosanto's who I know personally and had trained with for years in the 1990s Bruce did at one point "bulk up" to 150-155 pounds but that was temporary and he did not like the extra weight. He held steady at 135 lbs and didn't have to "get in shape" for a movie.

THE ART OF EXPRESSING THE HUMAN BODY. Just took a quick look at that book here. See photo page 20, where he has definition, then see photos on page 39, where he has no definition. Stayed steady at 135#, not really. Indeed I remember reading that he was up to 168# at one point between movies. Don't have time right now to go through all my Bruce Lee material for you.

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« Reply #59 on: April 02, 2015, 11:49:51 PM »
That is the point. The  pics compare favorable with someone who went on a mass BUILDING diet.

I don't see that at all. It's just a guy that lost a lot of body fat, and thereby gained a lot of visible muscle definition, because of the body fat loss. You can build a lot muscle on a keto diet, and he was clearly doing some weight training, but really what you see is mostly the result of body fat loss.

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« Reply #60 on: April 03, 2015, 12:20:23 AM »
THE ART OF EXPRESSING THE HUMAN BODY. Just took a quick look at that book here. See photo page 20, where he has definition, then see photos on page 39, where he has no definition. Stayed steady at 135#, not really. Indeed I remember reading that he was up to 168# at one point between movies. Don't have time right now to go through all my Bruce Lee material for you.

Interested primarily in the type of diet he followed and if he indulged in a low carb diet to get lean (where most would consider him already skinny). I did mention he "bulked up" briefly but for the most part stayed pretty much the same weight. This was also confirmed by Inosantos. Lee was not a bodybuilder and did not experience the fluctuations in weight that bodybuilders experience. Like most people, his weight held pretty steady.

I will try to track down the book you mentioned.

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« Reply #61 on: April 03, 2015, 12:46:05 AM »
Interested primarily in the type of diet he followed and if he indulged in a low carb diet to get lean (where most would consider him already skinny). I did mention he "bulked up" briefly but for the most part stayed pretty much the same weight. This was also confirmed by Inosantos. Lee was not a bodybuilder and did not experience the fluctuations in weight that bodybuilders experience. Like most people, his weight held pretty steady.

I will try to track down the book you mentioned.

If you read any books about Lee, then it's hard to believe you missed that one, since it's probably the best known book about Lee. Though the book is poorly written, John Little the author did have access to Bruce Lee's library and papers, and there a lot of quotes from them. Not enough of course. Lee did do weight training, and low carb diet was used by bodybuilders in the late sixties/early seventies to get cut for contests. He knew that. He also jumped on  the low fat diet too, that started get promoted by the establishment at the time, in the months before he died.

He loved eating carbs, mostly rice and pasta, and he knew they were fattening, and called carbs empty calories. And he knew getting them out of his diet, to look cut in movies, worked. Lee was an actor. even was in movies as a kid. So, he knew that you look big on the movie screen, even if you're not really big, but you only look good and cut, if you are looking good and cut.

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« Reply #62 on: April 03, 2015, 01:17:07 AM »
If you read any books about Lee, then it's hard to believe you missed that one, since it's probably the best known book about Lee. Though the book is poorly written, John Little the author did have access to Bruce Lee's library and papers, and there a lot of quotes from them. Not enough of course. Lee did do weight training, and low carb diet was used by bodybuilders in the late sixties/early seventies to get cut for contests. He knew that. He also jumped on  the low fat diet too, that started get promoted by the establishment at the time, in the months before he died.

He loved eating carbs, mostly rice and pasta, and he knew they were fattening, and called carbs empty calories. And he knew getting them out of his diet, to look cut in movies, worked. Lee was an actor. even was in movies as a kid. So, he knew that you look big on the movie screen, even if you're not really big, but you only look good and cut, if you are looking good and cut.

I already said I read biographies about Lee. You seem a little bit touchy. I wasn't doubting you I was seeking more info and source that specifically states Lee followed a low carb diet. And carbs are not fattening. What makes you think Lee believe that? Asian diets, and most third world Asian countries for that matter, are high in carbs.

By all first hand accounts, Bruce was a ravenous eater and was hardly concerned about dieting because he was so active and already so lean. When I say first hand experience I am talking about my years seeing, training and speaking with Inosantos almost daily and training with one of his original students here in Hawaii name James Demile when I was 16 years old in the mid 1970s just after Lee's death.

His challenge making his early films was not cutting weight for his movies but getting enough food and meat filming in a third world country. He said this specifically in a letter published by Linda Lee.

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« Reply #63 on: April 03, 2015, 07:36:20 AM »
I already said I read biographies about Lee. You seem a little bit touchy. I wasn't doubting you I was seeking more info and source that specifically states Lee followed a low carb diet. And carbs are not fattening. What makes you think Lee believe that? Asian diets, and most third world Asian countries for that matter, are high in carbs.

By all first hand accounts, Bruce was a ravenous eater and was hardly concerned about dieting because he was so active and already so lean. When I say first hand experience I am talking about my years seeing, training and speaking with Inosantos almost daily and training with one of his original students here in Hawaii name James Demile when I was 16 years old in the mid 1970s just after Lee's death.

His challenge making his early films was not cutting weight for his movies but getting enough food and meat filming in a third world country. He said this specifically in a letter published by Linda Lee.

"And carbs aren't fattening." OK, believe what you want. You obviously won't believe me.

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« Reply #64 on: April 03, 2015, 09:06:30 AM »
From everything I read about Bruce Lee he used full body  routines when he lifted and never a split. He was also a big fan of running. Lew Alcindor (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar) use to train with Bruce in Martial Arts and he said they use to go for 5 mile runs.

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« Reply #65 on: April 03, 2015, 09:46:07 AM »
From everything I read about Bruce Lee he used full body  routines when he lifted and never a split. He was also a big fan of running. Lew Alcindor (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar) use to train with Bruce in Martial Arts and he said they use to go for 5 mile runs.

Bruce Lee weight trained for strength, not size, so no splits, nor isolation moves. Did isometrics like crazy, flexing, muscle control, and isokinetics. Tried to work everything in, that he thought could give him speed, endurance, and strength. As for running, he did sprinting, not long distance running. He didn't want to burn muscle tissue. So he would travel a long distance, but was not distance running per se. He'd start off at a slow pace for warm up, break into a sprint, for a short distance of course, slow to a walk, jog backwards, high stepping at an easy pace, lunge walk, cross over walk, plie lunge walk, and back to full tilt sprinting throughout the "run" course. With Kareem's stride, him running with Bruce Lee, would have been something to see!

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« Reply #66 on: April 03, 2015, 11:11:33 AM »
This is the kid from "Twilight". The right pic is after he went on a strict training regiment to put on muscle. He reportedly went from 140 to 170 between the two pics. Let's pretend him being in Hollywood doesn't increase the likelihood that he used steroids to accomplish this. Compare his chest to the guy in OP.

Both those pics are shopped.

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« Reply #67 on: April 03, 2015, 11:14:25 AM »
Both those pics are shopped.

Brutal spray paint abs on the twilight fag too. You can see it down by his love handles

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« Reply #68 on: April 04, 2015, 02:04:57 AM »
"And carbs aren't fattening." OK, believe what you want. You obviously won't believe me.

Carbs = 4 calories/gram
Protein = 4 calories/gram
Fat = 9 calories/gram

Asian diets are very carb heavy yet they are predominately skinny.  Americans eat more protein than any other country on the planet and one out of three are fatties.

Eating too much is fattening.


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« Reply #69 on: April 04, 2015, 02:10:54 AM »
You do, if your chest is covered in fat, as his was. Losing body fat, is necessary for seeing muscle definition all over the body. He lost 30 to 35 pounds of all body fat, as a keto diet preserves muscle tissue. So, losing that much body fat is definitely going to reveal some previously invisible muscles.

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Re: strong 3 month keto transformation
« Reply #73 on: April 04, 2015, 05:07:45 AM »
Interested primarily in the type of diet he followed and if he indulged in a low carb diet to get lean (where most would consider him already skinny). I did mention he "bulked up" briefly but for the most part stayed pretty much the same weight. This was also confirmed by Inosantos. Lee was not a bodybuilder and did not experience the fluctuations in weight that bodybuilders experience. Like most people, his weight held pretty steady.

I will try to track down the book you mentioned.


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I was also a HUGE Bruce Lee mark as a teenager. I remember reading that he used an electric juicer a lot, but I never got the specifics for what went in the concoctions. Interesting note about the beef blood; I never knew that.

As for training, I understand he had some equipment custom designed and built for his own personal use. Did Dan's family end up with any of those pieces?
Also, was Dan teaching Jeet Kune Do, Escrima/Arnis, or both at the time?

There is supposedly more comprehensive footage of Bruce at Ed Parker's convention. The most commonly seen snippets are of him performing his two-finger push-ups and one-inch punch. I'd love to see what else there may be.

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« Reply #74 on: April 04, 2015, 11:25:29 AM »
Carbs = 4 calories/gram
Protein = 4 calories/gram
Fat = 9 calories/gram

Asian diets are very carb heavy yet they are predominately skinny.  Americans eat more protein than any other country on the planet and one out of three are fatties.

Eating too much is fattening
Calories in/calories out is a myth, unscientific, and therefore untrue. It's eating carb calories, that makes you fat.

Asian diets are very high carb, and most Asians can't even afford to eat much of that lousy diet. For survival, their bodies hoard body fat. That's why you never see, a great set of abs there. Even those skinny Asian's have body fat covering their abs. Same as anyone else, with "invisible" abs, from eating a high carb diet

There's no visible muscle definition in most Asians, certainly not in Bruce Lee's time. Compare the physiques of former Mr. Hong Kong, Bolo Yeung, with his high carb Asian diet "cut," and low carb diet, cut for the movies, Bruce Lee, at 1:34 in the clip. LOL!