Dorian Yates was playing in another division!

[Waller]

So there I was last Sunday afternoon digesting the “shock” of Dexter Jackson winning the Australian Grand Prix, my head filled with idle thoughts such as, When will Skype start charging for their service, Why do they say an alarm goes “off” when it clearly goes on, What was the best thing before sliced bread? Out of the corner of my eye I saw an ESPN update on spring training results and not for the first time realized that a fundamental of baseball is the recording of stats. Strangely enough my own favorite sport, football (soccer), has in recent years starting quoting stats. Previously the only stats kept were goals scored and points won, now they have list of most goal assists, most completed passes, most tackles and so on. I fully expect them to start compiling most picked noses in a stadium during a 90 minute game, while why the unfortunate gentleman with the prominent schnozzle in row 24 D at the Manchester United vs. Chelsea game would pick that nose is beyond me.

But we digress; the thought arose that maybe we should, review bodybuilding stats, starting with the most winning percentages. In conversation with my good friend Joe “Factoids” Roark who runs ironhistory.com, we decided to look at the ten most winningest bodybuilders in IFBB pro history and figure out who had the best winning percentage.  Here’s how it panned out.


#1 Dorian Yates: 15 pro wins, 17 pro contests, 88.2%.

#2 Lee Haney: 11 pro wins, 16 pro contests, 68.8 %.

#3 Flex Wheeler: 16 pro wins, 32 pro contests, 50%.

#4 Jay Cutler: 15 pro wins, 31 pro contests, 48.4%.

#5 Chris Dickerson: 10 pro wins, 23 pro contests,43.5%.

#6 Ronnie Coleman:  26 pro wins, 66 pro contests, 39.4%.

#7 Kevin Levrone: 20 pro wins, 62 pro contests, 32.3%.

#8 Vince Taylor: 22 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 30.5%. 

#9 Dexter Jackson: 18 pro wins, 63 pro contests, 28.6%.

#10 Chris Cormier: 11 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 15.3%.


Comments:
•    Yates’ only non-winning outings were runner up spots at the 1990 Night of Champions and 1991 Mr. Olympia.
•    Haney’s five non-winning outings were in his rookie year of 1983, when he snagged third spots at the Olympia, Swiss Grand Prix and World Pro and second places at the English and Swedish Grand Prixs.
•    Coleman not being higher may surprise many, but from 1992 through 1997 he scored just three wins in 36 contests. His avalanche of victories didn’t take off until 1998.
•    For a guy who was often criticized for inconsistency Flex Wheeler won an amazing 50% of his contests.
•    Cutler’s rating is higher than Coleman’s although in their head-to-heads the latter won the first ten and the former the last six.
•    Of Vince Taylor’s 22 wins, six were Masters titles (1996, ’97, ’99, 2000 and ‘01 Olympia and 1998 Arnold Masters).

Thus according to the stats Dorian Yates record of 17 contests, 15 wins and two seconds put him

Didn't Armold only have 1 pro loss? Using that method he trumps Dorian on percentage I believe.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Didn't Armold only have 1 pro loss? Using that method he trumps Dorian on percentage I believe.

No he lost the universe to Zane & the Olympia to Oliva

[Waller]

No he lost the universe to Zane & the Olympia to Oliva

Every competitive listing I find for him has a different number of contests, but it's safe to say he comes in 1st by 0.something or an easy second.

But nobody is going to put Arnold ahead of most of that list as having a better physique on a competitive stage.

[Wiggs]

You're flat out wrong period. Ronnie at the 1996 Mr Olympia was 255lbs and yes it was a different look because at the Olympia in 1998 he was 249lbs and shredded , however my point stands , Ronnie at his best 1998 is NOT going to make Dorian look small , in fact Ronnie is going to look smaller. Especially at his best he's lighter.

Bottom line is Dorian was always better than Ronnie and always has been , the claim is because he finally got into great shape could be beat Dorian? He has two more Mr Olympias? How many of those Olympias were against Dorian? ZERO

Of course you don't care about pre contest shots because it evens things out a bit in fact it doesn't because Dorian would be just as big with better conditioning  Dorian admitted that he could have competed much heavier and in an ever ending quest for conditioning he was burning off muscle , Dorian at 283lbs would mop the floor with ANY version of Ronnie , Dorian at 270lbs in those famous 93 precontest pics would too and Dorian's not even my favorite bodybuilder but I can see that he's just better overall

Parts don't win contests , poses do. And Dorian just has to many advantages for Ronnie , in fact anyone. Statistically Ronnie doesn't stand a chance


I've been saying this for years 

Dorian Yates: All Time #1

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/10344-team-md-blogs/the-mcgough-report/5414-dorian.html#.VSEsY_nF9MQ

I'm not wrong, you're wrong. Ronnie doesn't have to be at his best to beat Dorian. 2003 Ronnie destroys anything Dorian ever brought to the stage.  Sure Dorian is in better conditions but Ronnie has 27 lbs more muscle at the same height.  He dwarfs him with rugged muscle.  And 252lbs 1998 Evening show Ronnie would also beat Dorian.  Ronnie is more complete and more separated but Dorian is in better condition.  Ronnie wins either way. As for your precontest shots, I don't care about what it ifs.  If it didn't happen and they didn't show up onstage in that condition it's irrelevant.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm not wrong, you're wrong. Ronnie doesn't have to be at his best to beat Dorian. 2003 Ronnie destroys anything Dorian ever brought to the stage.  Sure Dorian is in better conditions but Ronnie has 27 lbs more muscle at the same height.  He dwarfs him with rugged muscle.  And 252lbs 1998 Evening show Ronnie would also beat Dorian.  Ronnie is more complete and more separated but Dorian is in better condition.  Ronnie wins either way. As for your precontest shots, I don't care about what it ifs.  If it didn't happen and they didn't show up onstage in that condition it's irrelevant.

You have a bad habit of asserting people are wrong instead of proving people wrong. Being subjective neither of us are ' wrong ' especially concerning opinions. However facts are not on your side. Ronnie never came close to Dorian. Dorian easily beat Ronnie every time they competed and statistically Ronnie couldn't beat Dorian. These my friend are facts. Deal with it 

[Wiggs]

You have a bad habit of asserting people are wrong instead of proving people wrong. Being subjective neither of us are ' wrong ' especially concerning opinions. However facts are not on your side. Ronnie never came close to Dorian. Dorian easily beat Ronnie every time they competed and statistically Ronnie couldn't beat Dorian. These my friend are facts. Deal with it 

Here are the facts Ronnie 8 Mr. Os, Dorian 6 Mr. Os.
Dorian beat Ronnie and Haney beat Dorian with 8 Mr. Os. 

Deal with that.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Here are the facts Ronnie 8 Mr. Os, Dorian 6 Mr. Os.
Dorian beat Ronnie and Haney beat Dorian with 8 Mr. Os. 

Deal with that.

Again how man of those Olympia were against Dorian?  Zero
Haney did beat Dorian , Dorian beat Haney in the muscularity round. Dorian forced Haney into retirement 

Facts !!

[Wiggs]

Again how man of those Olympia were against Dorian?  Zero
Haney did beat Dorian , Dorian beat Haney in the muscularity round. Dorian forced Haney into retirement 

Facts !!

Stop it. Haney beat Dorian end of story. Haney has 8 Mr. Os. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Stop it. Haney beat Dorian end of story. Haney has 8 Mr. Os. 

So what's that have to do with anything? Dorian beat a career best Haney in the muscularity round , Haney after facing Yates decided to retire.

We're talking at their bests , Dorian at his best would beat Haney & Ronnie at theirs. Dorian 1993 or 1995 Mr Olympia would easily beat Haney and trample bitch-tits Coleman 1998

[affeman]

We're talking at their bests , Dorian at his best would beat Haney & Ronnie at theirs.

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What in hell are you smoking and where can I get some?

[NarcissisticDeity]

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What in hell are you smoking and where can I get some?

Dorian not at his best beat Haney at his best in the muscularity round.   Dorian always beat Ronnie   you think with an improvement in conditioning Ronnie is going to beat a guy with much better conditioning? Not going to happen

[Royalty]

Haney, Yates, and Coleman had bodybuilding on lock from 1984 to 2005


That's ridiculous

[Mr.1derful]

Take this photo as but one example of Dorian's dominance.  Calves are not shown, but is a given strength for Dorian.  Dorian's lats are far thicker and more developed.  Coleman's chest disappears, where as Dorian's has greater thickness and density.  Coleman's delts are flat and lopsided, with vanishing traps.  Forearms, which are also prominent in the pose, also go to Yates.  Abs go to Yates.  Coleman may have better quad separation, with a better sweep, but that's about it.  Biceps are a non-issue, being they're not prominent in this pose.  Dorian wins this pose easily.  At a lighter weight, Coleman gets overpowered by Dorian's greater density.  At a higher weight, Coleman loses out to Dorian's grainy conditioning.  Moral of the story, Dorian would have Coleman's number any year.

[Hulkster]

this thread is a joke.

dorian has thick lats

but small underdeveloped arms and smooth quads devoid of seperation in his lat spread.

same with his delts.

compare to a lat spread that has great quads and actual cuts:

look no further than Ronnie 99 at 257 pounds crushing doughian's smooth 257 pounds:

notice the striations in the quads, pecs etc.

the actual proportional arms, not twigs on a barrel. the delts bis etc.

dorian's arms disappear in a front lat spread.

great thick lats. nothing else.

no wonder his lats look good..

[Simple Simon]

No he lost the universe to Zane & the Olympia to Oliva

Didnt he also lose to Chet Yorton?

[Hulkster]

its a joke to compare the two, even at their bests.

dorian's wide waist just doesn't compare to Ronnie's classic V taper and quad sweep.

its not dorian's fault.

he just didn't have Ronnie's genetics:

99 vs 93 and its a massacre for Ronnie.

we don't need 1800 pages to see this:

[Hulkster]

oh and precontest?:

don't even go there

[NarcissisticDeity]

its a joke to compare the two, even at their bests.

dorian's wide waist just doesn't compare to Ronnie's classic V taper and quad sweep.

its not dorian's fault.

he just didn't have Ronnie's genetics:

99 vs 93 and its a massacre for Ronnie.

we don't need 1800 pages to see this:

He didn't need Ronnie's genetics to hand him his ass for years on end.  he didn't need Flex's genetics or Ray's or Labradas . bad analogy.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Didnt he also lose to Chet Yorton?

Yup but I'm not sure if he was a pro at that point

[Simple Simon]

Yup but I'm not sure if he was a pro at that point

Ah...yes, think he was amateur universe.

[NarcissisticDeity]

this thread is a joke.

dorian has thick lats

but small underdeveloped arms and smooth quads devoid of seperation in his lat spread.

same with his delts.

compare to a lat spread that has great quads and actual cuts:

look no further than Ronnie 99 at 257 pounds crushing doughian's smooth 257 pounds:

notice the striations in the quads, pecs etc.

the actual proportional arms, not twigs on a barrel. the delts bis etc.

dorian's arms disappear in a front lat spread.

great thick lats. nothing else.

no wonder his lats look good..

This thread is a joke because the Ronnie nutt-huggers are in another Yates tread trying to convince everyone Ronnie could beat Dorian lol facts are facts , Dorian always kicked Ronnies ass and statistically he would beat him too.

leave your emotions at the door , Dorian was always better and would always beat Ronnie.

[Royalty]

Hulkster, you gotta admit that Yates looks very impressive here:

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hulkster, you gotta admit that Yates looks very impressive here:

Hulkster will say he looks impressive but not next to a ' prime Ronnie ' lol his story is old. Dorian at that contest would hand Haney & Ronnie their asses at the same time.

[Hulkster]

He looks great there.

but not as good as this:

oh, and you can't say this is faked because its not bizzy lol

you know dorian was not as good when the dorian nuthuggers devoted pages and pages trying to prove that videos posted to youtube from all different sources of the 99 olympia prejudging (where Ronnie was tight as a drum) were enhanced and faked LMAO

[Hulkster]

the video footage was so overwhelming against their hero they actually tried to argue that the IFBB faked videos of the 99 olympia lol

classic.

almost as good as the photoelectric effect LOL

(for those who don't know, the photo electric effect was the phenomenon argued by dorian nuthuggers that their hero looked shitty in every pic and comparison against Ronnie but somehow looked amazing in real life, but that the same effect never applied to no other human being ever LOL)