Author Topic: current gh trends... (Read 8095 times)

local hero · « **on:** May 17, 2015, 11:35:02 AM »

All my knowledge is from years back, what's the current thought on dosing gh, timing, IM or into fat?

My old protocol would be upon wakening before breakfast and before bed, into stomach fat...

It always worked but I know how things move on, the stuff isn't cheap so you need to get the best you can out of it..

heenok · « **Reply #1 on:** May 17, 2015, 11:36:25 AM »

Palumbo says take your dose first thing in the morning when your gh levels are at the lowest.

local hero · « **Reply #2 on:** May 17, 2015, 01:04:19 PM »

I've tried that before, used to cause carple-tunnel type symptoms a split dose seems to alleviate the sides a tad..

whitewidow · « **Reply #3 on:** May 18, 2015, 05:25:24 AM »

Your natural HGH level peaks when your in REM sleep so shooting in the morning never made much sense to me but whatever everybody has their methods. Palumbo never went pro. Either have I I am jst saying your HGH level is probably at it's highest when you wake up I might wait a few hours before you did your first shot . some guys like shooting one huge dose and some guys like the 2IU every 4 hour method.

now guys are IV'ing HGH just shooting it right into a vein at least some guys I know. The main thing is having high quality HGH rather then the timing. Id def shoot some pre-workout and then another shot after post workout meal. when you sleep like I said you should get a HGH blast when your in REM sleep. GHB raises natural HGH like crazy so for you insomniacs use GHB instead of any sleeping pills or benzos.

nattybay · « **Reply #4 on:** May 18, 2015, 05:48:30 AM »

Quote from: whitewidow on May 18, 2015, 05:25:24 AM

Your natural HGH level peaks when your in REM sleep so shooting in the morning never made much sense to me but whatever everybody has their methods. Palumbo never went pro. Either have I I am jst saying your HGH level is probably at it's highest when you wake up I might wait a few hours before you did your first shot . some guys like shooting one huge dose and some guys like the 2IU every 4 hour method.

now guys are IV'ing HGH just shooting it right into a vein at least some guys I know. The main thing is having high quality HGH rather then the timing. Id def shoot some pre-workout and then another shot after post workout meal. when you sleep like I said you should get a HGH blast when your in REM sleep. GHB raises natural HGH like crazy so for you insomniacs use GHB instead of any sleeping pills or benzos.

Yes. Protocol hardly matters. Quality of HGH does in most cases

simon · « **Reply #5 on:** May 18, 2015, 11:13:33 AM »

I just switched back to pre-bed. Make me tired as hell during the day when I take it in the mornings. Timing doesn't matter, just getting it in and having quality stuff. It will work no matter what.

ritch · « **Reply #6 on:** May 19, 2015, 09:36:45 PM »

Quote from: nattybay on May 18, 2015, 05:48:30 AM

Yes. Protocol hardly matters. Quality of HGH does in most cases

Well duh... You can pin anything and if the quality is no good, no matter how good the timing, it won't work. And I'm not buying into this "timing does not matter"

whitewidow · « **Reply #7 on:** May 20, 2015, 03:43:32 PM »

Quote from: ritch on May 19, 2015, 09:36:45 PM

Well duh... You can pin anything and if the quality is no good, no matter how good the timing, it won't work. And I'm not buying into this "timing does not matter"

I think timing does matter but it would take alot of practice to figure it out down to the T it might depend on someones body. I can;t igure out why I start looking all peak at 2-3AM instead of earlier in the day, I still look good but not like I do at these weird late hours.

ritch · « **Reply #8 on:** May 20, 2015, 08:32:00 PM »

Quote from: whitewidow on May 20, 2015, 03:43:32 PM

I think timing does matter but it would take alot of practice to figure it out down to the T it might depend on someones body. I can;t igure out why I start looking all peak at 2-3AM instead of earlier in the day, I still look good but not like I do at these weird late hours.
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This guy on a CAnadian site had some damn good reasoning as to why you should mainline the gH.

Wish I remembered why...

Do you peak at 2-3am due to certain foods eaten at a certain time? I find I peak after a few meals in me.

BodyMachine · « **Reply #9 on:** May 21, 2015, 08:14:19 PM »

I heard right after a workout, 10iu. No joke. Is this wrong?

ritch · « **Reply #10 on:** May 21, 2015, 09:07:38 PM »

Quote from: BodyMachine on May 21, 2015, 08:14:19 PM

I heard right after a workout, 10iu. No joke. Is this wrong?

if you want to take in a post workout meal soon, maybe not the best time. But every time of the day can be benefited from gh injections, lol... They can all be justified in one way or another.

I need cals post workout ASAP, so it depends on the person/goals.

I would use a good dose upon waking up, the next when I feel my stoch is the lightest and would time is much later than the first shot.

Davidtheman100 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 13, 2015, 02:06:07 PM »

Quote from: local hero on May 17, 2015, 11:35:02 AM

All my knowledge is from years back, what's the current thought on dosing gh, timing, IM or into fat?

My old protocol would be upon wakening before breakfast and before bed, into stomach fat...

It always worked but I know how things move on, the stuff isn't cheap so you need to get the best you can out of it..

waking up early morning is preferable and then waiting to eat your meal...Taking couple iu before each meal split up into 2-3 hr periods depending on how hungry you are waiting a min of 20-30 minutes AT LEAST before taking a bite...Really depends...There's no such thing as cheap GH..That's why i'm so amazed at people getting chinese blue tops for 100 dollars and running 20 iu a day with no results..If it's real it's gonna be expensive

Qwert II · « **Reply #12 on:** June 13, 2015, 10:34:23 PM »

IMO, the best protocol is to take as much legit GH as you can handle split up equally 3-4 x throughout the day.

My goto GH protocol is 5iu split up into 4 shots a day.

I thing the timing stuff is over hyped & may make a 5% difference but cause you way more inconvenience.

nattybay · « **Reply #13 on:** June 14, 2015, 05:05:21 AM »

Quote from: Qwert II on June 13, 2015, 10:34:23 PM

IMO, the best protocol is to take as much legit GH as you can handle split up equally 3-4 x throughout the day.

My goto GH protocol is 5iu split up into 4 shots a day.

I thing the timing stuff is over hyped & may make a 5% difference but cause you way more inconvenience.

All that you need to do is Inject some legit HGH

Sub q, IM IV , in the cawk...it doesn't matter.

1 shot of 2,3,4_5_6_10 iu
Or 10shots of 1iu..... IT DOES NOT MATTER

all you need is to inject HGH

Timing, protocol, all over hyped. You are right.

If you have blue tops, inject as many vials in a day you can afford, do not fucking count.

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Qwert II · « **Reply #14 on:** June 14, 2015, 09:52:12 AM »

I definitely do think it's best to spread out shots to at least 2x per day to not only keep GH levels more constant, but to reduce negative sides.

When I do all of my daily GH dose in one shot, I get no better gains, but more headaches, edema, high BP etc.

nattybay · « **Reply #15 on:** June 14, 2015, 10:47:01 PM »

Quote from: Qwert II on June 14, 2015, 09:52:12 AM

I definitely do think it's best to spread out shots to at least 2x per day to not only keep GH levels more constant, but to reduce negative sides.

When I do all of my daily GH dose in one shot, I get no better gains, but more headaches, edema, high BP etc.

I sometimes do 8iu sub q in stomach after workout late night without any problems except crazy pumps next day

gettingbetter · « **Reply #16 on:** June 15, 2015, 05:18:46 PM »

Maintaining stable blood levels seems to make sense to trigger growth and repair.

Personaly, I've had much better results splitting my doses throughout the day then trying to mimick pulses. Then again, I'm on baby doses compared to you guys so what the hell do I know lol

Qwert II · « **Reply #17 on:** June 15, 2015, 08:40:26 PM »

Quote from: gettingbetter on June 15, 2015, 05:18:46 PM

Maintaining stable blood levels seems to make sense to trigger growth and repair.

Personaly, I've had much better results splitting my doses throughout the day then trying to mimick pulses. Then again, I'm on baby doses compared to you guys so what the hell do I know lol

I agree. Splitting things up to 3x a day seems adequate & easy enough to do. I don't understand the full dose post workout thing at all.l It's a theory that Chad made popular years ago as he claimed it was mimicking the growth spurt of babies. But since grown BBs aren't babies anymore & it didn't make sense.

oni · « **Reply #18 on:** June 15, 2015, 10:04:28 PM »

Put simply
For muscle growth you'll want most of the GH around the training window.

Systemic IGF does NOT increase muscle mass
Local expression does.
So pin in the muscles about an hour before you train.

The difference? Who knows. Probably little to none? I've never used GH but this is what the science says
If you use a lot, you HAVE to spread the dose around.

heenok · « **Reply #19 on:** June 16, 2015, 02:18:11 AM »

Recently i heard there were several kinds of GH.
For example when you fast (during the night), the GH you secrete is catabolic (to fat AND muscle) hence why you lose muscle by not eating.
Meaning GH has a catabolic componment to it and why IF is bullshit btw. Yes you secrete more GH by fasting but not the anabolic type.
Also the catabolic type of GH is the reason most people taking GH notice fat loss as one of the main effect.
With IGF-1 its the same thing, the one in the muscle is highly anabolic but the one from the liver is a lot less.

Before you bash me, im not sure about the science behind all this just something i heard from someone who is very knowledgable, wrote books and articles for magazines etc...
Im a gymrat aint no scientist

oni · « **Reply #20 on:** June 16, 2015, 03:50:42 AM »

Quote from: heenok on June 16, 2015, 02:18:11 AM

Recently i heard there were several kinds of GH.
For example when you fast (during the night), the GH you secrete is catabolic (to fat AND muscle) hence why you lose muscle by not eating.
Meaning GH has a catabolic componment to it and why IF is bullshit btw. Yes you secrete more GH by fasting but not the anabolic type.
Also the catabolic type of GH is the reason most people taking GH notice fat loss as one of the main effect.
With IGF-1 its the same thing, the one in the muscle is highly anabolic but the one from the liver is a lot less.

Before you bash me, im not sure about the science behind all this just something i heard from someone who is very knowledgable, wrote books and articles for magazines etc...
Im a gymrat aint no scientist

Well GH is not anabolic at all
You either get local IGF-1 expression or you do not

I don't think that GH or IGF-1 is catabolic to muscle though. Local IGF-1 expression = gains
Take GH and don't train - nothing will happen, no local expression. AAS will still build muscle without training though

heenok · « **Reply #21 on:** June 16, 2015, 04:55:58 AM »

Yep no point taking GH for muscle gains if not already on AAS or even better AAS+Slin

Jizmo · « **Reply #22 on:** June 16, 2015, 08:05:35 AM »

GH is not catabolic at all
it has a metabolism increasing effect, meaning it increases protein turnover (both accretion and degradation), but theres an increase in net protein synthesis so its more anabolic than catabolic

btw, AAS do the same thing. very few people know this but testosterone actually increases protein degradation, meaning muscle loss. it just increases protein synthesis by a much greater degree, so that in the end you gain muscle. tren does the opposite. it actually DECREASES protein synthesis but DECREASES protein degradation to a much stronger degree either, so in the end its = gains. another reason for test+tren being such a great stack.

the whole thing with tren is debatable though, ive seen studies on tren showing no increase in protein degradation and an increase in protein synthesis too. its probably dependant on a lot of factors.
as always, 100 studies, 100 opinions.

but ive never seen a single study showing GH to be catabolic to muscle tissue

Davidtheman100 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 17, 2015, 11:47:54 AM »

Quote from: oni on June 16, 2015, 03:50:42 AM

Well GH is not anabolic at all
You either get local IGF-1 expression or you do not

I don't think that GH or IGF-1 is catabolic to muscle though. Local IGF-1 expression = gains
Take GH and don't train - nothing will happen, no local expression. AAS will still build muscle without training though

What do you mean "build muscle without training" ?? Very minimal if at all... Added intracellular water + 1/4 more blood volume in muscles when pumped along with increased igf-1 and protein synthesis while ONN and this will all go away after you're done taking them..So as far as TISSUE..I'd say if you didn't work out and tear the muscles up and give them time to recover just like you would when you're lifting without them i don't see how you would be able to add any REAL tissue.. A far as size and weight? Of corse.. what do you think alot of treatmental steroids were made for in the first place?? Weight gain i.e anadrol anavar but the TISSUE is a different story..

oni · « **Reply #24 on:** June 17, 2015, 07:45:33 PM »

Quote from: Davidtheman100 on June 17, 2015, 11:47:54 AM

What do you mean "build muscle without training" ?? Very minimal if at all... Added intracellular water + 1/4 more blood volume in muscles when pumped along with increased igf-1 and protein synthesis while ONN and this will all go away after you're done taking them..So as far as TISSUE..I'd say if you didn't work out and tear the muscles up and give them time to recover just like you would when you're lifting without them i don't see how you would be able to add any REAL tissue.. A far as size and weight? Of corse.. what do you think alot of treatmental steroids were made for in the first place?? Weight gain i.e anadrol anavar but the TISSUE is a different story..

There are loads of studies that show testosterone building muscle in people that don't lift weights lol
I have a transgender friend and have seen it with my own eyes as they turn from female to male