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« Reply #9175 on: February 02, 2023, 11:28:24 AM »
Just to add more reason I say a ‘rally is spastics’ is so many had PUTS on the market because the VIX was looking for rotation. Market might very well stop them all out, no doubt many already have been.

What’s the saying? The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.

The market is trying to front run the front run. April will be shit data, no rate hike, markets will go apeshit upwards. QE won’t start from ATH so there is zero chance this front Run of the front run will work. Gunna end in tears.

I'm in the same camp. The rally will trap bulls and then those sitting in cash who deploy too early.

Q4 earnings for FAANG will look bullish because they've been cooked and it will continue the pump. (We'll find out soon)

Q1 earnings will be different though and that's when longs will start feeling the pain. Don't think we'll see QE though. No need with that $2trillion sitting in RR.

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« Reply #9176 on: February 02, 2023, 12:15:01 PM »
Just to add more reason I say a ‘rally is spastics’ is so many had PUTS on the market because the VIX was looking for rotation. Market might very well stop them all out, no doubt many already have been.

What’s the saying? The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.

The market is trying to front run the front run. April will be shit data, no rate hike, markets will go apeshit upwards. QE won’t start from ATH so there is zero chance this front Run of the front run will work. Gunna end in tears.

I concur and can see this playing out. Doubt QE will commence once more, but that's me assuming the FED won't be able to justify using gasoline to put out the inflationary fire. We shall see what direction these cowboys take.

Also, still think some Swan event could occur that sets forth a global financial crisis/reset with resultant new global financial system. Possible Swan events include: New pandemic with super virulent strain that is devastating to people in a way that makes COVID-19 pale in comparison VS full out world war 3 due to continued poking of the Russian bear with allies on both sides getting involved.

Again, we shall see. It does suck to be in this holding pattern.

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« Reply #9177 on: February 02, 2023, 02:01:29 PM »
Hi mate, hope all is well :) crazy times huh!

Gib is a nice guy, well behaved and polite. Have to give guys like that respect.

if we see S&P close to 4,100 then nuke sub 3,500 (maybe 3,200) I’m going gigga long lines of credit just like I did in 2020. my own data tracking is showing we are playing out at twice the speed of history.   I’m assuming we nuke lower but let’s see.

February 2, 2023 4:42 PM EST

"S&P 500 (.SPX) gained 60.55 points, or 1.47%, to 4,179.76"

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/nasdaq-futures-jump-more-than-1-meta-surge-fed-relief-2023-02-02/

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« Reply #9178 on: February 02, 2023, 08:03:34 PM »
I concur and can see this playing out. Doubt QE will commence once more, but that's me assuming the FED won't be able to justify using gasoline to put out the inflationary fire. We shall see what direction these cowboys take.

Also, still think some Swan event could occur that sets forth a global financial crisis/reset with resultant new global financial system. Possible Swan events include: New pandemic with super virulent strain that is devastating to people in a way that makes COVID-19 pale in comparison VS full out world war 3 due to continued poking of the Russian bear with allies on both sides getting involved.

Again, we shall see. It does suck to be in this holding pattern.

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It’s a major inflationary Cycle reset so it goes harder for longer.

US media house 1940 $2,938
uS median house 1950 $7,354 / 256%

US median house 1970 $17,000
US median house 1980 $47,200 / 278%

US median house pre pandemic $258,000
US media house 2022 $398,000 / 154% —> when in your life have you ever seen this speed before? 

Property is the largest market on the planet, its bailout is the monetisation of debt which is why it goes up. US median property to 697k will utterly wreck people.

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« Reply #9179 on: February 03, 2023, 10:08:18 PM »
I bought Tesla at at $112.. Should I sell or hold

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« Reply #9180 on: February 04, 2023, 03:57:22 AM »
the '' sky is falling ''  narrative still going strong in this thread . . .

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« Reply #9181 on: February 04, 2023, 12:34:42 PM »
I bought Tesla at at $112.. Should I sell or hold

My general rule of thumb is:

1) buy the dip
2) hold for too long
3) ride it to new lows
4) take profit

Have we seen a Tesla back at $48 yet? No. Therefore hold and ride the back of the wave.

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« Reply #9182 on: February 04, 2023, 02:50:57 PM »
Bitcoin core developers encouraging censorship and trying to gatekeep isn't just "technical debate". That kinda thing goes fundamentally against decentralization and bitcoin.

You don't seem to have a problem with this and your go to defence is to attack the ETH community and shitcoins when they have nothing to do with it. It's time to take the maxi blinkers off for a minute and call this kinda thing out.

Long term Bitcoin has a problem, if the price doesn't keep doubling every 4 years then then the security model breaks. It needs development to make sure the network can still remain secure even if the price doesn't double. It needs more than just the lighting network (which in its current state isn't fit purpose) Core developers gatekeeping just pushes away the people who can help achieve that, just like it did back in 2014/15.

Flexacon please explain why the doubling of price is necessary for the security of the bitcoin network and when do you think this fault in the code will hit the network hard ?

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« Reply #9183 on: February 04, 2023, 05:49:43 PM »
Flexacon please explain why the doubling of price is necessary for the security of the bitcoin network and when do you think this fault in the code will hit the network hard ?

The halving cuts miner rewards (BTC) in half approximately every 4 years, so for miners to remain profitable and to maintain current network security the price of BTC needs to double as the rewards half. Without this bitcoin could eventually come under a 51% attack

Miners also earn transaction fees. More people using bitcoin (and it's higher price) means more fees are collected. Eventually this will exceed miner rewards and bitcoin will reach a steady state without the need for the price to double. This is looking like being at some point around 2032.

So from now until 2032 bitcoin needs to double in price every 4 years. Then it needs to move to a steady state collecting transaction fees.

The price isn't guaranteed to double every 4 years and the fee model for bitcoin as it stands isn't fit for purpose. All this would leave bitcoin vulnerable to attack.

This of course is just my basic interpretation of where things stand. An even more basic interpretation is that bitcoin needs a consistent supply of new money coming otherwise it dies.

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« Reply #9184 on: February 04, 2023, 11:40:06 PM »
The halving cuts miner rewards (BTC) in half approximately every 4 years, so for miners to remain profitable and to maintain current network security the price of BTC needs to double as the rewards half. Without this bitcoin could eventually come under a 51% attack

Miners also earn transaction fees. More people using bitcoin (and it's higher price) means more fees are collected. Eventually this will exceed miner rewards and bitcoin will reach a steady state without the need for the price to double. This is looking like being at some point around 2032.

So from now until 2032 bitcoin needs to double in price every 4 years. Then it needs to move to a steady state collecting transaction fees.

The price isn't guaranteed to double every 4 years and the fee model for bitcoin as it stands isn't fit for purpose. All this would leave bitcoin vulnerable to attack.

This of course is just my basic interpretation of where things stand. An even more basic interpretation is that bitcoin needs a consistent supply of new money coming otherwise it dies.

Thanks for the answer Flexacon, in 15 lines you provided more value than all these youtube channels with million of subscribers, telling us that the bitcoin price will eventually reach a million $ per coin in the next decade....lol
By the way what do you think about Ethereum, I am watching the tokenomics (6-7% yield & reduction in issuance) after the merge and they look great, however I am a bit worried about the SEC declaring it as a security and to be honest right now under the Howey test the current form of the network looks a lot closer to a security than a digital commodity.
 I remember an ETH whale named "Tetranode" in the "Up only" youtube channel, saying that ETH price will eventually reach 100k$ by 2030 but it seems to me as ludicrous as the million$ price prediction of BTC, I think both coins have yet to win the battle of going to zero, what do you think.

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« Reply #9185 on: February 05, 2023, 08:10:40 AM »
We are looking at a likely range of 180K - 240K end of 2025.

All the massive funds, bankers, HNWs and centillionairs are scooping up sats on the sly in the 23-64K range. Once we start approaching ATHs, they will really turn on the PR machine, Media, annual reports, investor newsletters, CNBC,  Bloomberg, etc, and that's when taps just open and a huge volume of investor money flows into a very tight asset.

So, JP Morgan, Blackrock, Goldman Sachs, etc all stand to make a 10x return on Bitcoin, in USD, in 2ish years.

We at getbig all have a unique opportunity to turn all this BS chat into a very very profitable investment. I hope others will join me on this amazing journey ahead. We have the opportunity to front run this. Use your heads, and set yourselves up for the future.


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« Reply #9186 on: February 05, 2023, 11:42:52 AM »
Gib Throwing down the gauntlet! Let’s get this party started!


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« Reply #9187 on: February 05, 2023, 10:44:15 PM »
We are looking at a likely range of 180K - 240K end of 2025.

All the massive funds, bankers, HNWs and centillionairs are scooping up sats on the sly in the 23-64K range. Once we start approaching ATHs, they will really turn on the PR machine, Media, annual reports, investor newsletters, CNBC,  Bloomberg, etc, and that's when taps just open and a huge volume of investor money flows into a very tight asset.

So, JP Morgan, Blackrock, Goldman Sachs, etc all stand to make a 10x return on Bitcoin, in USD, in 2ish years.

We at getbig all have a unique opportunity to turn all this BS chat into a very very profitable investment. I hope others will join me on this amazing journey ahead. We have the opportunity to front run this. Use your heads, and set yourselves up for the future.

If BTC goes 10x from here that put ETH 15x at 24K.

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« Reply #9188 on: February 05, 2023, 10:47:18 PM »
Bitcoin core developers encouraging censorship and trying to gatekeep isn't just "technical debate". That kinda thing goes fundamentally against decentralization and bitcoin.

You don't seem to have a problem with this and your go to defence is to attack the ETH community and shitcoins when they have nothing to do with it. It's time to take the maxi blinkers off for a minute and call this kinda thing out.

Long term Bitcoin has a problem, if the price doesn't keep doubling every 4 years then then the security model breaks. It needs development to make sure the network can still remain secure even if the price doesn't double. It needs more than just the lighting network (which in its current state isn't fit purpose) Core developers gatekeeping just pushes away the people who can help achieve that, just like it did back in 2014/15.

I'm not for any censorship  of any kind  in regards to btc and I believe Adam back rolled back on his comments or atleast explained it better.

My btc blinkers will stay firmly while shitcoiners high beams blind them with the use of terminology "old tech" to promote their centralised con game. First time in human history we've manage to store wealth/money/energy and transact in a manner that's truly decentrilised and secure and after 14 years it's now being called "old tech"? I'd like to know which of these POS coins solves decentralisation and security at the base layer without compromising centralisation?
Copying the bitcoin code and extending the blocksiZe to solve scalability whilst sacrificing decentralisation is not new tech.



I don't know what the future holds for btc 10+ years from now, how can I? It's something revolutionary and never existed before, unlike these altcoins which resemble the legacy financial system. We can both agree that is broken. I bet that everything this shitcoins are doing on a centralised blockchain, eventually  bitcoin will and is developing on a decentralised  base layer, hence 99% will  go to 0.

We now know Vitalik owns 330k ETH, if he was to stake them for 25 years he would own 51% of existing ETH, giving him control over the network. Where in btc, you could own 10million btc and same rules apply to you as the guy who owns .1 btc. Fair and equal for all.

In regards to a 51% attack.



The problem I have with POS is it represents old financial legacy systems which are broken. Top validators are rewarded and can change the rules. POW/btc represents a parallel system which every one can participate on equal terms and not fear the rules been changed half way through due to legislation or an authoritarian regime.

In regards to a physical 51% attack, I believe you would need $8billion + in equipment just to facilitate such an attack and that much hardware being purchased would not go unnoticed. Especially now since there is a shortage.  Basically a nation state would have to bank roll it. Imagine  USA spending tax payer dollars to hijack a network in which 50million+ people hodl or have held  btc. Almost certain death for that political party. I'm not saying it's impossible, but as the network grows and becomes more secure it's attack vector will  be to costly and make little to no sense.

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« Reply #9189 on: February 05, 2023, 11:06:13 PM »

There is talks about Russian and Iran developing a gold back stablecoin to facilitate trade, given the recent drone strikes by Israel in Iran, would like to see what happens as these events could lead to escalation.



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99.9% chance that will never happen. Gold lost its premium after Breton Woods. How are they going to verify constantly how much gold they have  in reserves? It's not like btc where it's easily audible running your own node. Will those two countries really trust each other with verification?

If so, most of the liquidity is on the American and London markets. What's Russia going to do, sell its gold for rubles?

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« Reply #9190 on: February 05, 2023, 11:50:16 PM »
I'm not for any censorship  of any kind  in regards to btc and I believe Adam back rolled back on his comments or atleast explained it better.

My btc blinkers will stay firmly while shitcoiners high beams blind them with the use of terminology "old tech" to promote their centralised con game. First time in human history we've manage to store wealth/money/energy and transact in a manner that's truly decentrilised and secure and after 14 years it's now being called "old tech"? I'd like to know which of these POS coins solves decentralisation and security at the base layer without compromising centralisation?
Copying the bitcoin code and extending the blocksiZe to solve scalability whilst sacrificing decentralisation is not new tech.



I don't know what the future holds for btc 10+ years from now, how can I? It's something revolutionary and never existed before, unlike these altcoins which resemble the legacy financial system. We can both agree that is broken. I bet that everything this shitcoins are doing on a centralised blockchain, eventually  bitcoin will and is developing on a decentralised  base layer, hence 99% will  go to 0.

We now know Vitalik owns 330k ETH, if he was to stake them for 25 years he would own 51% of existing ETH, giving him control over the network. Where in btc, you could own 10million btc and same rules apply to you as the guy who owns .1 btc. Fair and equal for all.

In regards to a 51% attack.
Your numbers are off. If he staked all of his ETH (330,000) for 25 years @ 5% APR he would earn around 819,243 ETH. That's around 0.67% of the total current ETH supply. Hardly 51%.

Meanwhile, Michael Saylor owns around 0.67% of the current Bitcoin supply.

https://walletburst.com/tools/ethereum-staking-calculator/


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« Reply #9191 on: February 05, 2023, 11:53:31 PM »
Thanks for the answer Flexacon, in 15 lines you provided more value than all these youtube channels with million of subscribers, telling us that the bitcoin price will eventually reach a million $ per coin in the next decade....lol
By the way what do you think about Ethereum, I am watching the tokenomics (6-7% yield & reduction in issuance) after the merge and they look great, however I am a bit worried about the SEC declaring it as a security and to be honest right now under the Howey test the current form of the network looks a lot closer to a security than a digital commodity.
 I remember an ETH whale named "Tetranode" in the "Up only" youtube channel, saying that ETH price will eventually reach 100k$ by 2030 but it seems to me as ludicrous as the million$ price prediction of BTC, I think both coins have yet to win the battle of going to zero, what do you think.
Ethereum requires validators to secure the network. Each validator acts independently and can have different returns. The validator owner needs to maintain the hardware, internet connection and electrical service. In the same way that a Bitcoin miner has to maintain their mining equipment. That does not satisfy the Howey Test. Anyone that claims so does not understand the technology.

https://www.paradigm.xyz/2022/10/ethereums-new-staking-model-does-not-make-eth-a-security

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« Reply #9192 on: February 06, 2023, 12:39:02 AM »
Your numbers are off. If he staked all of his ETH (330,000) for 25 years @ 5% APR he would earn around 819,243 ETH. That's around 0.67% of the total current ETH supply. Hardly 51%.

Meanwhile, Michael Saylor owns around 0.67% of the current Bitcoin supply.

https://walletburst.com/tools/ethereum-staking-calculator/

Sorry you're right, I meant vitalik and the foundation. If they controlled  10% of staked Eth at 5% it would take around 33years to accumulated 51% of ETH staked.

How much was Eth premined again,, 70%?

If Michael Saylor owned 30% of the bitcoin could ge alter and block transactions or change the protocol?

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« Reply #9193 on: February 06, 2023, 12:53:23 AM »
What is metamask:

"Launched by Aaron Davis in 2016 and headquartered in San Francisco, MetaMask is a decentralized , non-custodial Ethereum-based wallet that allows users to store, buy, send, convert, and swap crypto tokens. The wallet is available as a mobile app and browser extension on Google Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and Brave"


What is opensea:

OpenSea is a game-changing decentralized marketplace for buying and selling NFTs. If you’re wondering, NFTs stands for Non-Fungible Tokens, which are unique, collectible digital things like in-game assets, avatars, trading cards, and art.


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« Reply #9194 on: February 06, 2023, 01:42:52 AM »
Thanks for the answer Flexacon, in 15 lines you provided more value than all these youtube channels with million of subscribers, telling us that the bitcoin price will eventually reach a million $ per coin in the next decade....lol
By the way what do you think about Ethereum, I am watching the tokenomics (6-7% yield & reduction in issuance) after the merge and they look great, however I am a bit worried about the SEC declaring it as a security and to be honest right now under the Howey test the current form of the network looks a lot closer to a security than a digital commodity.
 I remember an ETH whale named "Tetranode" in the "Up only" youtube channel, saying that ETH price will eventually reach 100k$ by 2030 but it seems to me as ludicrous as the million$ price prediction of BTC, I think both coins have yet to win the battle of going to zero, what do you think.

Yep and by then to become a validator and "secure the network" like obsidian says you will only Need $3,200,000 in Eth. Only the wealthiest can afford to participate and benefit from the Eth platform. The idea that its some kind of saviour for billions of disadvantaged people will always be bullshit.

Even if you are lucky to be a validator, does somebody get  rich if your are unable to withdraw?


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« Reply #9195 on: February 06, 2023, 03:33:04 AM »
Sorry you're right, I meant vitalik and the foundation. If they controlled  10% of staked Eth at 5% it would take around 33years to accumulated 51% of ETH staked.

How much was Eth premined again,, 70%?

If Michael Saylor owned 30% of the bitcoin could ge alter and block transactions or change the protocol?

You need to stop getting your Ethereum information through maxi only channels as it's made you horribly misinformed.

- ETH was never premined. There was an ICO,  pre launch you sent BTC and later received an ETH wallet and ETH. Then after launch you could mine ETH. Pre PoS all ETH came into existence through either mined BTC or mining ETH. The controversy is behind the Eth founders and foundation taking a percentage through the ICO, but those sending BTC for ETH knew this.

- The main reason BTC gets called old tech is because it isn't "Turing complete" and Ethereum is. Mathematically it's possible to do anything you can do on your computer on Ethereum. This hasn't really mattered in the last 14 years, but it should be obvious why this could be hugely advantageous in the future.

- Your points about Metamask and opensea are accurate, but those are products and about user choices. They are not ETH. People are free to make a choice about using them or not.

- You need 32 ETH not $3,200,000 in Eth to become a validator. That's just over $50k. Staking pools make it even cheaper. Also you don't need to worry about high energy costs and constantly upgrading mining equipment like you do with bitcoin. Running Eth validators is far simpler.

As I said, you need to take the maxi blinkers off and go look at things for yourself. And that doesn't mean you should go and buy Eth, but so you can start asking yourself why some maxi news sources are full of misleading statements and hypocrisy.

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« Reply #9196 on: February 06, 2023, 04:52:34 AM »
You need to stop getting your Ethereum information through maxi only channels as it's made you horribly misinformed.

- ETH was never premined. There was an ICO,  pre launch you sent BTC and later received an ETH wallet and ETH. Then after launch you could mine ETH. Pre PoS all ETH came into existence through either mining BTC or ETH. The controversy is behind the Eth founders and foundation taking a percentage through the ICO, but those sending BTC for ETH knew this.

- The main reason BTC gets called old tech is because it isn't "Turing complete" and Ethereum is. Mathematically it's possible to do anything you can do on your computer on Ethereum. This hasn't really mattered in the last 14 years, but it should be obvious why this could be hugely advantageous in the future.

- Your points about Metamask and opensea are accurate, but those are products and about user choices. They are not ETH. People are free to make a choice about using them or not.

- You need 32 ETH not $3,200,000 in Eth to become a validator. That's just over $50k. Staking pools make it even cheaper. Also you don't need to worry about high energy costs and constantly upgrading mining equipment like you do with bitcoin. Running Eth validators is far simpler.

As I said, you need to take the maxi blinkers off and go look at things for yourself. And that doesn't mean you should go and buy Eth, but so you can start asking yourself why some maxi news sources are full of misleading statements and hypocrisy.

I bought Eth in 2015, before it was called ICO we referred to it as premined or let's just settle on preminted. Exactly what it is.  You can call it whatever you want.

I've explained why "old tech" is used in previous posts. Nfts, smart contracts, Web 3 is being touted now. Here's your issue with Eth, (and you refuse to acknowledge its centralisation aspect.) A database is way more efficient for centrilisation. Companies like Amazon and Google are not going to move all their stuff onto a more expensive centralised structure to build a web3, it's ludicrous. That's not the future to me.

The future is 8 billion people running the 21st century economy on their mobile devices via a decentrilised and secure baselayer that has hardened money. I'm betting on billions of people owning mobile devices  and not computers.


Read again what I wrote about Eth con artists with their words "old tech" and "decentrilised" both opensea and metamask are masquerading as decentrilised products. It's there for you to read in the quote.

The original quote was predicting a price of 100k eth, at that price 3,200,000 is required to stake. Even  at current prices 50k is beyond reach for most first world participants, nevertheless the other 6 billion people who don't have access to financial services. Then it's staked via a centralised entity for most. No thanks.

It's ok, I'll keep the blinkers on and have been since purchasing btc at $200. Only difference between shitcoiners and early btc adopters is we are not looking for that 100x. We are not co-opted by money. So seeing a path forward where everyone can benefit from a "new technology" both equally and securely is more my range of scope.

BTW this is what co-opted by money looks like:

If BTC goes 10x from here that put ETH 15x at 24K.

You want to call me misinformed, go for it. Time will tell. I'm not going to store my time and energy into a "centralised company" that's built on sand that resembles failing systems of old.


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« Reply #9197 on: February 06, 2023, 05:31:23 AM »


I've explained why "old tech" is used in previous posts. Nfts, smart contracts, Web 3 is being touted now. Here's your issue with Eth, (and you refuse to acknowledge its centralisation aspect.) A database is way more efficient for centrilisation. Companies like Amazon and Google are not going to move all their stuff onto a more expensive centralised structure to build a web3, it's ludicrous. That's not the future to me.


Metamask and opensea falsely claiming decentralization doesn't automatically make ETH centralized. Maybe I've missed it, but what exactly are you saying made ETH centralized?

Vitalik and his "master node"? The ICO? The Eth held by the foundation? Centralized projects using the ETH layer to run scams?

And for the time being Ethereum is expensive, but Ethereum has shown it is capable of development so there is a very good chance that it will eventually become economically viable for companies to eventually make the move over.

Also every smartphone is a computer. So yes, being Turing complete is still a huge advantage.

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« Reply #9198 on: February 06, 2023, 06:50:28 AM »
I bought Eth in 2015, before it was called ICO we referred to it as premined or let's just settle on preminted. Exactly what it is.  You can call it whatever you want.

I've explained why "old tech" is used in previous posts. Nfts, smart contracts, Web 3 is being touted now. Here's your issue with Eth, (and you refuse to acknowledge its centralisation aspect.) A database is way more efficient for centrilisation. Companies like Amazon and Google are not going to move all their stuff onto a more expensive centralised structure to build a web3, it's ludicrous. That's not the future to me.

The future is 8 billion people running the 21st century economy on their mobile devices via a decentrilised and secure baselayer that has hardened money. I'm betting on billions of people owning mobile devices  and not computers.


Read again what I wrote about Eth con artists with their words "old tech" and "decentrilised" both opensea and metamask are masquerading as decentrilised products. It's there for you to read in the quote.

The original quote was predicting a price of 100k eth, at that price 3,200,000 is required to stake. Even  at current prices 50k is beyond reach for most first world participants, nevertheless the other 6 billion people who don't have access to financial services. Then it's staked via a centralised entity for most. No thanks.

It's ok, I'll keep the blinkers on and have been since purchasing btc at $200. Only difference between shitcoiners and early btc adopters is we are not looking for that 100x. We are not co-opted by money. So seeing a path forward where everyone can benefit from a "new technology" both equally and securely is more my range of scope.

BTW this is what co-opted by money looks like:

You want to call me misinformed, go for it. Time will tell. I'm not going to store my time and energy into a "centralised company" that's built on sand that resembles failing systems of old.

All stablecoins use Ethereum. Even VISA and Mastercard will be integrating use of stablecoins such as USDC which uses ETH.

This has huge potential for people in developing countries where they need to hedge against depreciation of their local currency and are unable/prohibited from buying hard currencies locally.

Several reserve banks have also done trials using Ethereum for their CBDC's.

And as you mentioned, there is DEFI, smart-contracts and NFT's which overwhelmingly use ETH.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9199 on: February 06, 2023, 08:33:02 AM »
Visa Eyes High-Value USDC Settlement Payments on Ethereum

Payments giant Visa reportedly seeks to meet customer requests to convert digital assets into fiat payments, similar to how it converts foreign currencies.

“We’ve been testing how to actually accept settlement payments from issuers in USDC starting on Ethereum and paying out in USDC on Ethereum,” Cuy Sheffield, head of crypto at Visa, said during the StarkWare Sessions 2023 event in Tel Aviv. “So, these are large value settlement payments.”

He noted that the effort would clone foreign currency exchange executed on the card network’s payment platform.

“The same way that we can convert between dollars in euros on a cross-border transaction, we should be able to convert between digital tokenized dollars and traditional dollars,” he said.

Visa announced the use of USDC, a stablecoin backed by the US dollar, to settle a transaction with the network over Ethereum in March 2021.


https://blockworks.co/news/visa-eyes-high-value-usdc-settlement-payments-on-ethereum?nocache