I just started using Tren suspension as a pre-workout and I am also still using regular Tren acetate the Tren suspension is kind of painfull but it is pretty crazy strong stuff I think it's one of my new favorites. I like it better then Methyl-Tren. might be some of the strongest stuff I have used. it's def up there. of course i set expectations very high so I always get a little upset no matter how strong a drug is. I have not tried a AAS that I couldn;t handle. I'm talking drugs guys stop after 2 days i can take them like nothing. give this drug a try. I'll post pictures later they come in amps.