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Re: Perma blasting (6 months +)
« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2015, 06:09:24 PM »
okay, results are as expected.
HDL 7 <--- ouch. doc wasnt worried about that at all though lol
LDL 66
he said my kidneys are damaged because creatinine was slightly over the upper reference range.
told him this is normal because i was lifting the day before.
my t3 is 3x the reference range, on 70mcg t3 a day, lol. t4 is essentially zero. doctor was like wtf.

what got me thinking are the liver values though
AST 227 and ALT 109.
expected them to be elevated but not that high... ive been off orals for 3 weeks, so superdrol mustve wrecked my liver HARD. i only ran it for a bit more than 3 weeks, however at over 50mg a day.
wont do that shit again, even though gains were great  ;D

so basically only thing thats worrysome is cholesterol, as expected. LDL seems to always stay low for me, no matter what i do. but HDL gets wrecked. i definitely expected that from that blast though.
niacin powder already ordered.

That HDL is scary bro, get that up. niacin 1g every night! High quality fish oil and lots of it. Carlson brand

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Re: Perma blasting (6 months +)
« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2015, 09:44:57 PM »
okay, results are as expected.
HDL 7 <--- ouch. doc wasnt worried about that at all though lol
LDL 66
he said my kidneys are damaged because creatinine was slightly over the upper reference range.
told him this is normal because i was lifting the day before.
my t3 is 3x the reference range, on 70mcg t3 a day, lol. t4 is essentially zero. doctor was like wtf.

what got me thinking are the liver values though
AST 227 and ALT 109.
expected them to be elevated but not that high... ive been off orals for 3 weeks, so superdrol mustve wrecked my liver HARD. i only ran it for a bit more than 3 weeks, however at over 50mg a day.
wont do that shit again, even though gains were great  ;D

so basically only thing thats worrysome is cholesterol, as expected. LDL seems to always stay low for me, no matter what i do. but HDL gets wrecked. i definitely expected that from that blast though.
niacin powder already ordered.

So how was your hematocrit? With a low hdl and high crit that can leave a lot of plaque on vessel walls and raise your stroke risk. I worked in cardiac surgery a long time and hope you take at least three baby aspirin a day.

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Re: Perma blasting (6 months +)
« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2015, 12:28:01 AM »
Not too bad.

Were your kidneys actually damaged or did he just deduce that from your high creatinine levels?

Liver values are nothing to worry about but three weeks is more than enough to recover... Something else might be at play there...

Anyways, thanks for posting, very useful info right there and almost everyone says "Get your bloodworkd done" yet, no one post their results.

Thanks for being honest and a good informative poster too.

Bromance over.

no kidney damage at all. was just the creatinine. and it wasnt even high, just at top of the range...

That HDL is scary bro, get that up. niacin 1g every night! High quality fish oil and lots of it. Carlson brand

been taking 10ml fish oil every day for more than a year nonstop... might be the reason my LDL is low but doesnt do anything for HDL apparently. or it would be 0 without it lol

So how was your hematocrit? With a low hdl and high crit that can leave a lot of plaque on vessel walls and raise your stroke risk. I worked in cardiac surgery a long time and hope you take at least three baby aspirin a day.

luckily no issues in the blood thickness department.. hematokrit (44, even on the lower side) and RBCs (5.3) are perfectly normal...
maybe thats why the doc wasnt worried about the cholesterol, idk. ill still try to bring HDL up.

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Re: Perma blasting (6 months +)
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2015, 03:05:02 AM »
no kidney damage at all. was just the creatinine. and it wasnt even high, just at top of the range...

been taking 10ml fish oil every day for more than a year nonstop... might be the reason my LDL is low but doesnt do anything for HDL apparently. or it would be 0 without it lol

luckily no issues in the blood thickness department.. hematokrit (44, even on the lower side) and RBCs (5.3) are perfectly normal...
maybe thats why the doc wasnt worried about the cholesterol, idk. ill still try to bring HDL up.

I read a study that said that niacin increases lp-pla2, which is implicated in plaque rupture (which is the thing that causes heart attacks/strokes). So it's a double edged sword really. You raise your HDL but increase your chance of plaque rupture. I was taking 2g of niacin a day and sure enough, i tested my lp pla2 levels and they were high. So I went off the niacin. I think low HDL is something you just have to accept as part of AAS use, I think it's impossible to get every single biomarker within a healthy range especially if you're on higher doses. I think as long as you eat clean and try to control the other risk factors that you can (e.g. eating healthy, not smoking, reducing inflammation, using fish oil like you said), then that's the best you can do, plus wake up and pray every morning that you won't get health problems. Plus you said that your LDL is low so if your HDL:LDL ratio isn't too bad I wouldn't worry too much about it (stress raises cortisol which is bad for cardiovascular health also lol). 

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Re: Perma blasting (6 months +)
« Reply #54 on: August 05, 2015, 03:42:55 AM »
I have a buddy that has been on 900-1200mg test for 2 years. Done 2 blasts at 3.5g test plus some orals. His bloods are good and he is jacked! He works pretty hard manual labor job and works out 1-2 week and maintains 5'6" 200lb single digit bf with ease. Strength stays through the roof also, 485 bench pr at 198

Wouldn't recommend this to anyone tho it's definitely a lot of wasted gear imo, hard work and proper diet and this guy could make history but it's not him

I love hearing stories like this. Very encouraging to say the least. It makes me laugh how the majority of forums still tout the cycle + PCT + time off Mantra. People doing that want the body you can only get from going a lot harder.

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Re: Perma blasting (6 months +)
« Reply #55 on: August 05, 2015, 07:40:00 AM »
I read a study that said that niacin increases lp-pla2, which is implicated in plaque rupture (which is the thing that causes heart attacks/strokes). So it's a double edged sword really. You raise your HDL but increase your chance of plaque rupture. I was taking 2g of niacin a day and sure enough, i tested my lp pla2 levels and they were high. So I went off the niacin. I think low HDL is something you just have to accept as part of AAS use, I think it's impossible to get every single biomarker within a healthy range especially if you're on higher doses. I think as long as you eat clean and try to control the other risk factors that you can (e.g. eating healthy, not smoking, reducing inflammation, using fish oil like you said), then that's the best you can do, plus wake up and pray every morning that you won't get health problems. Plus you said that your LDL is low so if your HDL:LDL ratio isn't too bad I wouldn't worry too much about it (stress raises cortisol which is bad for cardiovascular health also lol). 

well i had been looking into niacin anyway since it works so well to detox cells... kind of a super anti oxidant that attacks the root instead of the symptoms... it works to liberate toxins from fat cells basically.., then they reach the blood and can be scavenged by anti oxidants

niacin also has some huge GH increasing properties and increases lipolysis (it actually blocks lipolysis and depresses FFAs in your blood for about an hour after you take it, but afterwards you get a huge increase in GH and a huge rebound surge of FFAs, meaning it increases FFA oxidation way over baseline)
you HAVE to be fasted though, or at least fats in the bloodstream block the GH effect:


timing can be tricky though since the huge GH surge (after the small initial one) appears after 3-4 hours and you have to be fasted (the whole time? thats the question)
i could make that work with my cutting workout regimen, but ill have to tinker with timing.
not sure if it makes a singificant difference anyway but it kind of interests me.

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Re: Perma blasting (6 months +)
« Reply #56 on: August 05, 2015, 11:21:46 AM »
well i had been looking into niacin anyway since it works so well to detox cells... kind of a super anti oxidant that attacks the root instead of the symptoms... it works to liberate toxins from fat cells basically.., then they reach the blood and can be scavenged by anti oxidants

niacin also has some huge GH increasing properties and increases lipolysis (it actually blocks lipolysis and depresses FFAs in your blood for about an hour after you take it, but afterwards you get a huge increase in GH and a huge rebound surge of FFAs, meaning it increases FFA oxidation way over baseline)
you HAVE to be fasted though, or at least fats in the bloodstream block the GH effect:


timing can be tricky though since the huge GH surge (after the small initial one) appears after 3-4 hours and you have to be fasted (the whole time? thats the question)
i could make that work with my cutting workout regimen, but ill have to tinker with timing.
not sure if it makes a singificant difference anyway but it kind of interests me.

It won't. A lot of over thinking here, but hey, we all get bored now and then, lol!
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Re: Perma blasting (6 months +)
« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2015, 11:58:25 AM »
dunno.
that peak lasts a bit longer (but is about 2-3 lower) than a single peak from a GHRP+GHRH...

and thats from 1 dose of 500mg... if you dose 700mg-1g twice or thrice a day (as im planning to) that might give similar results.

all experimental though. but if im gonna use it anyway ill make the best use of it too.

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Re: Perma blasting (6 months +)
« Reply #58 on: August 10, 2015, 10:02:22 AM »
About Tren and eating... Do You Guys notice that with Tren Your body respond better to carbs? Or You always prefer stay with low carb diets?

I used to eat a shitload of crappy food at night after i smoked weed and still managed to have semi decent abs on trenn.  i will say during the day my carbs were very low. but i do not smoke anymore so i dont know if i could get away with that since i am also three years older.