Barber Shop Fined for not Cutting Woman’s Hair

[TuHolmes]

I most certainly do.  Especially at you.     But that's how happy folks roll. 

You are the reason I shouldn't post on this board.

Everything you say is buffoonish.

I just wish there was a block button for you.

[Al Doggity]

That is much more than a high fade.  That's Kid N Play haircut.  lol  

Nobody is saying it wasn't discrimination.  I'm talking about how friggin stupid this is.  

Why is it stupid? Because it doesn't affect you?

If that barber declined cutting a priest's hair and said he didn't want the shop to seem too religious or something, you'd be the first one on here complaining and you'd spend the next five years posting updates about how this proves Christians are being persecuted.

[Dos Equis]

You are the reason I shouldn't post on this board.

Everything you say is buffoonish.

I just wish there was a block button for you.

Then don't engage me fool.  Too easy.  

I think there is an ignore button?  Regardless, just ignore me if you don't like what I have to say.  It's not that hard.  I do it all the time.  

[TuHolmes]

Then don't engage me fool.  Too easy.  

I think there is an ignore button?  Regardless, just ignore me if you don't like what I have to say.  It's not that hard.  I do it all the time.  

It's difficult to ignore your rambling stupidity.

Believe you me, I have tried oh so many times.... I do so well, then out of nowhere, boom, you say something so utterly asinine that is is absolutely impossible to ignore.

If there were an "ignore button", I would have used it long, long ago.

Unfortunately, it wouldn't block other people from quoting your ridiculousness, so it wouldn't help much.

[Dos Equis]

Why is it stupid? Because it doesn't affect you?

If that declined cutting a priest's hair and said he didn't want the shop to seem too religious or something, you'd be the first one on here complaining and spend the next five years posting updates about how this proves Christians are being persecuted.

No, because it's stupid to force someone to provide a service like that.  No reasonable person would do that.  Just take your business to someone who knows what they are doing and actually wants your business.  

And note that I'm not talking about whether this is discrimination.  It is. It's still stupid.  

[Dos Equis]

It's difficult to ignore your rambling stupidity.

Believe you me, I have tried oh so many times.... I do so well, then out of nowhere, boom, you say something so utterly asinine that is is absolutely impossible to ignore.

Sounds like a personal problem.  Lack of self-control.  You need to work on that mang. 

[TuHolmes]

Sounds like a personal problem.  Lack of self-control.  You need to work on that mang. 

It's a tired of your stupidity problem really, but as is often the case, the stupid, such as yourself, don't even see it.

[Dos Equis]

It's a tired of your stupidity problem really, but as is often the case, the stupid, such as yourself, don't even see it.

 

[Al Doggity]

No, because it's stupid to force someone to provide a service like that.  No reasonable person would do that.  Just take your business to someone who knows what they are doing and actually wants your business.  

And note that I'm not talking about whether this is discrimination.  It is. It's still stupid.  

There's no indication that she went back and begged them for a haircut. But they discriminated against her to her face. There is nothing unreasonable about her reporting open,blatant discrimination.

[Dos Equis]

There's no indication that she went back and begged them for a haircut. But they discriminated against her to her face. There is nothing unreasonable about her reporting open,blatant discrimination.

Yes, it's discrimination, as I already acknowledged.  That's not the point. 

[Al Doggity]

Yes, it's discrimination, as I already acknowledged.  That's not the point. 

Then what  is your point? That she should just ignore discrimination because it's not a big deal?

[240 is Back]

there's a great gym, right near my house.  it'd be perfect for me - location, great staff, modern everything.

The only problem is, it's an all-womens gym.  I'm thinking I should call huck, tell him my dilemma, see if he can block the stage from little cruzes and maybe help me get my way into that gym?

[Dos Equis]

Then what  is your point? That she should just ignore discrimination because it's not a big deal?

That she should have just went someplace that actually wanted to cut her hair.  Would you go to a barber who was forced to cut your hair? 

[Agnostic007]

I think she had knowledge that the place didn't serve females. Women are very picky about who cuts their hair. This was her plan all along. But I also think the barber shop screwed up, they should have cut her hair.. badly...

[Dos Equis]

I think she had knowledge that the place didn't serve females. Women are very picky about who cuts their hair. This was her plan all along. But I also think the barber shop screwed up, they should have cut her hair.. badly...

Completely agree. 

[Al Doggity]

That she should have just went someplace that actually wanted to cut her hair.  Would you go to a barber who was forced to cut your hair? 

So, yes, you are saying that she should ignore discrimination because it's not a big deal.  You're saying it is discrimination, but somehow she's the one who's stupid because she called them out?  

They weren't forced to cut her hair. They discriminated against her and she filed a complaint.  They were forced to pay a fine.

If a restaurant refuses to serve me because of my skin color, is it stupid of me to report them? NO. Should I just ignore it because it doesn't bother you? NO. Should I be a bigger person and just go to another restaurant that wants to serve me food?  

There's no difference here.

[Al Doggity]

I think she had knowledge that the place didn't serve females. Women are very picky about who cuts their hair. This was her plan all along. But I also think the barber shop screwed up, they should have cut her hair.. badly...

Why does she deserve a bad haircut? Because she didn't want to be discriminated against?

[Dos Equis]

So, yes, you are saying that she should ignore discrimination because it's not a big deal.  You're saying it is discrimination, but somehow she's the one who's stupid because she called them out?  

They weren't forced to cut her hair. They discriminated against her and she filed a complaint.  They were forced to pay a fine.

If a restaurant refuses to serve me because of my skin color, is it stupid of me to report them? NO. Should I just ignore it because it doesn't bother you? NO. Should I be a bigger person and just go to another restaurant that wants to serve me food?  

There's no difference here.

Oh boo friggin hoo.  This wasn't a restaurant.  It was a barber who didn't want to cut her hair. 

Would you go to a barber who was forced to cut your hair?

[Al Doggity]

Oh boo friggin hoo.  This wasn't a restaurant.  It was a barber who didn't want to cut her hair. 

Would you go to a barber who was forced to cut your hair?

Would I go to a barber who was forced to cut my hair? Probably not. Would I report them if they refused to cut my hair because of my gender or skin color? YEP.

Why is discrimination at a restaurant somehow different? There's more restaurants than barbershops/hair salons in pretty much every town in America. If I get discriminated against at one restaurant, I have more options. Or maybe I should just stay home and cook. 

What would concern you more: going to a restaurant that didn't want to serve you or a barbershop that didn't want to serve you?

[Dos Equis]

Would I go to a barber who was forced to cut my hair? Probably not. Would I report them if they refused to cut my hair because of my gender or skin color? YEP.

Why is discrimination at a restaurant somehow different? There's more restaurants than barbershops/hair salons in pretty much every town in America. If I get discriminated against at one restaurant, I have more options. Or maybe I should just stay home and cook. 

What would concern you more: going to a restaurant that didn't want to serve you or a barbershop that didn't want to serve you?

I wouldn't go to a barber who told me they only cut women's hair and I darn sure wouldn't be filing a complaint against them.  I'd just go find someone who was good and wanted to cut my hair.  That's what should have happened here.  But just like Agnostic said, I think she knew exactly what she was doing.

This isn't even remotely similar to a restaurant. 

[Al Doggity]

This isn't even remotely similar to a restaurant. 

Then what is the difference?

[Las Vegas]

Sad thing is that they probably thought they were doing her a favor.

[Agnostic007]

Why does she deserve a bad haircut? Because she didn't want to be discriminated against?

I'm on the fence on this one... Men don't get hired at casinos as cocktail waiters because of their gender, nor do they get hired at Hooters. So there does exist some gender discrimination in the business world. I don't think it is necessarily a horrible thing if a business owner wanted to focus on a particular clientele like in this example.. men haircuts. Specializing in men's haircuts shouldn't be an issue and in a reasonable world, explaining to a female "We focus on men hairstyle/cuts here" shouldn't be a big deal. I can't join Curves because I'm a male.. what's the difference?

[Dos Equis]

Then what is the difference?

Unlike hair, food is food.  Doesn't matter who is eating it.  This is almost akin to telling a Mexican restaurant they have to serve Chinese food. 

There is nothing wrong or controversial about a barber choosing to focus on men's or women's hair, the military, kids, etc.  Barbers do it all the time.  Not everyone has the same kind of hair.  There are typically very distinct differences between men's and women's hairstyles.  Some barbers just aren't comfortable with doing women's hair. 

This guy's mistake was telling her it was men's only.  He should have just told her he wasn't comfortable cutting the style she wanted, and if she started complaining, just given her a bad haircut just like Agnostic said. 

[Al Doggity]

But we know what the woman's hair looks like and it's not distinctly feminine. At best, it's unisex and something any barber that specializes in male hair would be able to cut.  It's nothing like telling a mexican restaurant to serve chinese food. She went into a male barbershop looking for a male haircut. It's like a mexican restaurant saying they only serve food to mexicans.


The guy's mistake was that he operated a business that openly discriminates. He didn't turn down her business because he couldn't cut her hair in the style she wanted. Considering what her hair looks like, it's more likely that she went to that barbershop because she felt they would give her the cut she was looking for and less likely that she was trying pull the rug out from under them.