Barber Shop Fined for not Cutting Woman’s Hair

[Las Vegas]

Maybe she has penis envy.

[TuHolmes]

I'm on the fence on this one... Men don't get hired at casinos as cocktail waiters because of their gender, nor do they get hired at Hooters. So there does exist some gender discrimination in the business world. I don't think it is necessarily a horrible thing if a business owner wanted to focus on a particular clientele like in this example.. men haircuts. Specializing in men's haircuts shouldn't be an issue and in a reasonable world, explaining to a female "We focus on men hairstyle/cuts here" shouldn't be a big deal. I can't join Curves because I'm a male.. what's the difference?

Are you saying you want to join Curves?

Obviously there is a double standard which should not exist.

Men have sued to work at hooters and such. In this instance, it's an easy fucking haircut. It's not like she was asking for something he couldn't do. Seems stupid to turn her away.

Yes, she's being a whiney bitch, yes she was discriminated against.

It's pretty simple.

[Dos Equis]

But we know what the woman's hair looks like and it's not distinctly feminine. At best, it's unisex and something any barber that specializes in male hair would be able to cut.  It's nothing like telling a mexican restaurant to serve chinese food. She went into a male barbershop looking for a male haircut. It's like a mexican restaurant saying they only serve food to mexicans.


The guy's mistake was that he operated a business that openly discriminates. He didn't turn down her business because he couldn't cut her hair in the style she wanted. Considering what her hair looks like, it's more likely that she went to that barbershop because she felt they would give her the cut she was looking for and less likely that she was trying pull the rug out from under them.  

I don't consider that a unisex cut, but there is an increasing number of effeminate men these days. 

I completely see how she set that poor guy up.  But I'm sure he learned his lesson.    

[Dos Equis]

Maybe she has penis envy.

lol   

[Al Doggity]

 
I completely see how she set that poor guy up.  But I'm sure he learned his lesson.    

LOL there was no set up. He could have cut her hair. She didn't force him to say no. He chose to say no.  That's a violation. He was fined. He's not some "poor guy" who was victimized.

[Dos Equis]

LOL there was no set up. He could have cut her hair. She didn't force him to say no. He chose to say no.  That's illegal. He was fined. He's not some "poor guy" who was victimized.

That's your opinion.  I disagree.  She didn't accomplish anything.  I wonder if she is going to actually make that poor sap cut her hair.  I'd like to see that.   

[Las Vegas]

she knew what she was doing.  and the guy in the shop probably thought he was doing her a favor that would lead her to a better result.  that's the ridiculous part.

[Al Doggity]

She didn't accomplish anything. 

How didn't she accomplish anything? He was fined.

[Al Doggity]

she knew what she was doing.  and the guy in the shop probably thought he was doing her a favor that would lead her to a better result.  that's the ridiculous part.

  She was attempting to get a haircut. There is nothing controversial or provocative about that and there was no guarantee the guy was going to get fined. I go to a barbershop that is for men and occasionally a woman will come in (usually a lesbian) who wants  a haircut like a guy. They just do it. It's a non-event.

The barber in this story specifically said he turned her away because the place is a clubhouse for guys. Not because he didn't have any barbers who could do the style she wanted.

[Dos Equis]

she knew what she was doing.  and the guy in the shop probably thought he was doing her a favor that would lead her to a better result.  that's the ridiculous part.

Yep.

[Dos Equis]

How didn't she accomplish anything? He was fined.

Yes, $750.  Wow.  Great.   

[240 is Back]

I'm on the fence on this one... Men don't get hired at casinos as cocktail waiters because of their gender, nor do they get hired at Hooters. So there does exist some gender discrimination in the business world. I don't think it is necessarily a horrible thing if a business owner wanted to focus on a particular clientele like in this example.. men haircuts. Specializing in men's haircuts shouldn't be an issue and in a reasonable world, explaining to a female "We focus on men hairstyle/cuts here" shouldn't be a big deal. I can't join Curves because I'm a male.. what's the difference?

nothing wrong with it.   A male barber wants to offer his clients an experience where they can show off bald spots and ask about manscaping without female eyes on them.   CURVES and other gyms do it.  If anything, the barber misses out on 1/2 the potential customers.  Or maybe he's just bad at women's hair, enjoys the fast efficiency of a $6 crew cut.


Look at it this way... McD discrimates against those who want a healthy burger, by not having it on the menu.  The barber discriinates against all those who want a female haircut, by not having it on the menu.

[Las Vegas]

She was attempting to get a haircut. There is nothing controversial or provocative about that and there was no guarantee the guy was going to get fined. I go to a barbershop that is for men and occasionally a woman will come in (usually a lesbian) who wants  a haircut like a guy. They just do it. It's a non-event.

The barber in this story specifically said he turned her away because the place is a clubhouse for guys. Not because he didn't have any barbers who could do the style she wanted.

she does look like a dyke, now that you mention it.

shouldn't she rather a woman cut her hair (preferably another lesbian)?

[Las Vegas]

maybe they can make an x-rated video of it

[Al Doggity]

Yes, $750.  Wow.  Great.  

Yet, you started the thread complaining about it>   What more was she supposed to accomplish?  Have him murdered?

[Al Doggity]

Look at it this way... McD discrimates against those who want a healthy burger, by not having it on the menu.  The barber discriinates against all those who want a female haircut, by not having it on the menu.

This is a poor metaphor. She didn't ask for a healthy hamburger that wasn't on the menu. She asked for a Big Mac and they turned her away because she was a woman. 

[Dos Equis]

Yet, you started the thread complaining about it>   What more was she supposed to accomplish?  Have him murdered?

Yes, I started a thread talking about how stupid this whole thing is.  You think the fine is a major accomplishment.  I think it's stupid. 

[Al Doggity]

Yes, I started a thread talking about how stupid this whole thing is.  You think the fine is a major accomplishment.  I think it's stupid.  

I didn't say it was a major accomplishment. It is punishment in line with the infraction. Most small businesses don't want to pay $750 fines.  Apparently, you feel the fine should have been bigger?  What more should have happened? What more should her setup have accomplished?

[Las Vegas]

I didn't say it was a major accomplishment. It is punishment in line with the infraction. Most small businesses don't want to pay $750 fines.  Apparently, you feel the fine should have been bigger?  What more should have happened? What more should her setup have accomplished?

the whole thing is dumb and a comedy, and he'll make a ton on it.

in the end, no one really cares about this stuff.  everyone knows that's life.

[Al Doggity]

Yes, I started a thread talking about how stupid this whole thing is.  You think the fine is a major accomplishment.  I think it's stupid.  

Seriously, if you think she set him up and that the fine is nothing, then what do you think her ultimate plan was? To have the business shut down? Have him thrown in jail. She filed a complaint with the business office after she was discriminated against. Hardly a psychotic supervillain. That's a perfectly rational reaction.

What do you think she was trying to accomplish, if not that?

[Dos Equis]

I didn't say it was a major accomplishment. It is punishment in line with the infraction. Most small businesses don't want to pay $750 fines.  Apparently, you feel the fine should have been bigger?  What more should have happened? What more should her setup have accomplished?

I never said the fine should be bigger. 

[Dos Equis]

the whole thing is dumb and a comedy, and he'll make a ton on it.

in the end, no one really cares about this stuff.  everyone knows that's life.

Right?  Tell me about it. 

[Dos Equis]

Seriously, if you think she set him up and that the fine is nothing, then what do you think her ultimate plan was? To have the business shut down? Have him thrown in jail. She filed a complaint with the business office after she was discriminated against. Hardly a psychotic supervillain. That's a perfectly rational reaction.

What do you think she was trying to accomplish, if not that?

If you're asking me to explain all of the motivations of people who file stupid complaints, I cannot do that.  I ask that question a lot myself.  Or as I tell people, a lot of times you cannot explain stupid.    

But when you step back and look at what she has really accomplished, it's really nothing.  Is she going to become a regular patron?  I doubt it.  Are women going to start flocking to this barbershop that is well known in the community as a place that caters to men?  I doubt it.  So what exactly did she gain?  I say nothing.  No, wait, a $750 fine.  Yay team.    

[Al Doggity]

If you're asking me to explain all of the motivations of people who file stupid complaints, I cannot do that.  I ask that question a lot myself.  Or as I tell people, a lot of time you cannot explain stupid.    

But when you step back and look at what she has really accomplished, it's really nothing.  Is she going to become a regular patron?  I doubt it.  Are women going to start flocking to this barbershop that is well known in the community as a place that caters to men?  I doubt it.  So what exactly did she gain?  I say nothing.  No, wait, a $750 fine.  Yay team.    

You claimed she was setting him up, then claimed that a fine accomplished nothing. The idea that there was a setup is pretty irrational, but if you're gonna follow that line of thinking, there should at least be some  conceivable payoff.

She wanted to get a haircut. She wasn't trying to gain anything.  She was discriminated against and she filed a complaint with the proper agency. The establishment was fined. That is pretty much the extent of any accomplishment she likely hoped to get. He will either think twice next time or receive another fine, likely larger. That's the accomplishment. The idea that there was some sort of setup and she was looking for a bigger payoff is ridiculous.

[Dos Equis]

You claimed she was setting him up, then claimed that a fine accomplished nothing. The idea that there was a setup is pretty irrational, but if you're gonna follow that line of thinking, there should at least be some  conceivable payoff.

She wanted to get a haircut. She wasn't trying to gain anything.  She was discriminated against and she filed a complaint with the proper agency. The establishment was fined. That is pretty much the extent of any accomplishment she likely hoped to get. He will either think twice next time or receive another fine, likely larger. That's the accomplishment. The idea that there was some sort of setup and she was looking for a bigger payoff is ridiculous.

You're assuming her only goal was to get a haircut.  I'm not.  People go poking around to file stupid complaints all the time, with zero payoff.  We have a guy over here who has been searching public property for years for any kind of religious symbol on public property and filing lawsuits claiming he is suffering emotional distress when he sees them.  Like state legislators putting a fish symbol on their office door.  What's the payoff there?  Not THAT is irrational.