How did you get started?

[Littleguyontheprairie]

I don't really know anyone at my gym that I've been going to for roughly 6 months. How did you guys get started finding your products? Was it mainly social networking at your gym or was it online? I don't expect actual sources as that is listed as being against the rules.

The one guy I've talked to at the gym that openly talked about it got his online. His referred website is locked down pretty hard.

[phreak]

I don't really know anyone at my gym that I've been going to for roughly 6 months. How did you guys get started finding your products? Was it mainly social networking at your gym or was it online? I don't expect actual sources as that is listed as being against the rules.

The one guy I've talked to at the gym that openly talked about it got his online. His referred website is locked down pretty hard.

Just get to know the biggest guys at the gym. Little-known fact: you can taste steroids in cum. So suck up, suck off, shoot up.

Or take a chance with a few bucks, and order a small amount online. eroids.com is useful there.

[Davidtheman100]

Just get to know the biggest guys at the gym. Little-known fact: you can taste steroids in cum. So suck up, suck off, shoot up.

Or take a chance with a few bucks, and order a small amount online. eroids.com is useful there.

eroids is not reliable and i despise eroids...getbig should not be promoted with eroids garbage...Many fake reviews and many people have been screwed for GH out of it and spend hard earned money...

[Jizmo]

if you use common sense then eroids is a good start

i know lots of guys who had good experiences 90% of the time there

of course rely on the well known UGLs.
i dont know anyone who ever got scammed on there, however gear was kinda low quality sometimes.

[Davidtheman100]

if you use common sense then eroids is a good start

i know lots of guys who had good experiences 90% of the time there

of course rely on the well known UGLs.
i dont know anyone who ever got scammed on there, however gear was kinda low quality sometimes.

with eroids we don't just talk about gear...Gear is easy to brew...Suppliers make a fortune off test...Test powder which is pennies...ad then sell vials for 60 dollars in bulk...YET WE WILL HAVE UNDERDOSED GEAR IN THE UGL despite how much fortune these men make...It comes down to they have tons of orders and are too lazy to continue brewing so will just give out some crap...When supply can't meet the demand is when you get into some trouble...And believe me it happens...People get satisfied and settle...People get lazy....

But i talk about the HGH...MANY MANY gh sources there for EXPENSIVE prices and people are getting F'D...This can't be tolerated

[Jizmo]

true that. wouldnt trust GH for shit, no matter where it comes from
very few exceptions maybe...
there are plenty of UK forums raving about the blacktop hyges, and have been for about a year now. seems to be the only remotely consistent shit... any other GH = fuck that

but there are probably sources out there faking these too...

[phreak]

eroids is not reliable and i despise eroids...getbig should not be promoted with eroids garbage...Many fake reviews and many people have been screwed for GH out of it and spend hard earned money...

Nothing's perfect. But if you treat it like eBay (combination of time, percentage and total response rate), then results are good enough. I only order online, and my gear has been good so far. It gave me tits and my wife a beard, so it did something.

[Davidtheman100]

Nothing's perfect. But if you treat it like eBay (combination of time, percentage and total response rate), then results are good enough. I only order online, and my gear has been good so far. It gave me tits and my wife a beard, so it did something.

If you treat it like ebay then you will be able to order safely and not have to worry if you get a bullshit product that you won't get your money back...At least there is a system to it...

[phreak]

If you treat it like ebay then you will be able to order safely and not have to worry if you get a bullshit product that you won't get your money back...At least there is a system to it...

Yes, that is precisely the point. You can get scammed online, no matter what service. Just like you can get scammed IRL.

[The Wizard of Truth]

Cop: So how does one source anabolics initially?

[Littleguyontheprairie]

Thanks for the info guys. I understood some of it. Some was less informative. But that hot tip about slobbing it off a cock - that's my first stop.

Yeah man. Ya caught me. I'm trying to bust people from anywhere in the world in between walking the beat.

Edit: the recommended site is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!

Double edit: what do you guys think about this:
http://johndoebodybuilding.com/the-1-vial-steroid-cycle-for-beginners/

[Davidtheman100]

Thanks for the info guys. I understood some of it. Some was less informative. But that hot tip about slobbing it off a cock - that's my first stop.

Yeah man. Ya caught me. I'm trying to bust people from anywhere in the world in between walking the beat.

Edit: the recommended site is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!

Double edit: what do you guys think about this:
http://johndoebodybuilding.com/the-1-vial-steroid-cycle-for-beginners/

First cycle will usually be the best one if diet is in check and you're "cycling" .... So 8 weeks is shitty... Do at LEAST 13 weeks... Make sure the testosterone is pharm grade as that's even more important... If you have to pay a bit extra, do it.

[heenok]

UG labs are a tricky game, you need to be looking up boards, eroids etc... But a great can quickly become a shitty lab, you never know if the batch you are getting is good or not, no matter how good the reputation of your lab is. Also boards are infested with people pushing some brands and bashing others... Never trust anyone who is obviously sponsored by a lab or pep company. For example those guys will claim those amazing gains with peptides while anyone who has ever used peptides will tell you they dont do much (they work but nothing extraordinary). Anyone remembers the gh15 gimick with the "kigs" lol ?

[Davidtheman100]

UG labs are a tricky game, you need to be looking up boards, eroids etc... But a great can quickly become a shitty lab, you never know if the batch you are getting is good or not, no matter how good the reputation of your lab is. Also boards are infested with people pushing some brands and bashing others... Never trust anyone who is obviously sponsored by a lab or pep company. For example those guys will claim those amazing gains with peptides while anyone who has ever used peptides will tell you they dont do much (they work but nothing extraordinary). Anyone remembers the gh15 gimick with the "kigs" lol ?

Yes and this is why someones word can have so much influence...I don't think any of what happened is his fault but it put him in a position where many people could blame him....everyone is better off with their own personal trial and error especially in 2015 where nobody can be trusted...

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

UG labs are a tricky game, you need to be looking up boards, eroids etc... But a great can quickly become a shitty lab, you never know if the batch you are getting is good or not, no matter how good the reputation of your lab is. Also boards are infested with people pushing some brands and bashing others... Never trust anyone who is obviously sponsored by a lab or pep company. For example those guys will claim those amazing gains with peptides while anyone who has ever used peptides will tell you they dont do much (they work but nothing extraordinary). Anyone remembers the gh15 gimick with the "kigs" lol ?

Personally, Gh15 opened my eyes about a lot of stuff. I stopped spending cash on shitty supplements and started using hormones and eating good (no chicken and broccoli bullshit).

On the topic, I have been using one source for a lot of time and have built up synergistic relationship.

[Overload]

There are plenty of LEO that post here already. 

I think you are setting yourself up to be scammed by asking this on the open forum.

To be honest, I learned about the online ordering scene from the guys I knew at the gym.  A few guys told me about a website that is no longer active back in 2002.  Since then I've been reading multiple source boards and stayed informed on the happenings in that realm.

My advice is to educate yourself and learn the difference between an approved source that pays big monthly dues and the real good sources that aren't on the source boards.  Don't believe all the reviews you read, take it with a grain of salt, a lot of guys get free gear to rep products. 

The best sources I know are completely private.

Please don't post links to source boards.  Other than that, I'm open to allowing this discussion.

[Littleguyontheprairie]

First cycle will usually be the best one if diet is in check and you're "cycling" .... So 8 weeks is shitty... Do at LEAST 13 weeks... Make sure the testosterone is pharm grade as that's even more important... If you have to pay a bit extra, do it.

13 weeks seems like a long time for a beginner trial sort of thing. I have no way of knowing the grade unfortunately.

There are plenty of LEO that post here already.  

I think you are setting yourself up to be scammed by asking this on the open forum.

To be honest, I learned about the online ordering scene from the guys I knew at the gym.  A few guys told me about a website that is no longer active back in 2002.  Since then I've been reading multiple source boards and stayed informed on the happenings in that realm.

My advice is to educate yourself and learn the difference between an approved source that pays big monthly dues and the real good sources that aren't on the source boards.  Don't believe all the reviews you read, take it with a grain of salt, a lot of guys get free gear to rep products.  

The best sources I know are completely private.

Please don't post links to source boards.  Other than that, I'm open to allowing this discussion.

Thanks. So far I decided to check out that eroids site and have sorted by US and checked out their top people but i don't see any midlevel reviews. Bad reviews are always due to a package supposedly no showing or the other side which is all top "five star would buy again! honest! quick customer service!" mostly what I detect as being bs.

Personally, Gh15 opened my eyes about a lot of stuff. I stopped spending cash on shitty supplements and started using hormones and eating good (no chicken and broccoli bullshit).

On the topic, I have been using one source for a lot of time and have built up synergistic relationship.

Why no chicken and broccoli?

[Davidtheman100]

13 weeks seems like a long time for a beginner trial sort of thing. I have no way of knowing the grade unfortunately.

Thanks. So far I decided to check out that eroids site and have sorted by US and checked out their top people but i don't see any midlevel reviews. Bad reviews are always due to a package supposedly no showing or the other side which is all top "five star would buy again! honest! quick customer service!" mostly what I detect as being bs.

Why no chicken and broccoli?

It's not that long believe me...If you're a normal guy you'll recover the exact same with better gains...If you don't wanna believe me...There are other guys that WILL do the 13 weeks and they will look better than you...

[Littleguyontheprairie]

It's not that I don't believe you, I'm just highly skeptical of everything I read at the moment. Thanks for the info.

[triggerhappy]

If you dont want to run it 13 weeks run prop but prepare to be a pin cushion

[Littleguyontheprairie]

If you dont want to run it 13 weeks run prop but prepare to be a pin cushion

I'm not against it, it's just longer than I've read previously. I am a just a sponge trying to take in all the info I can and ultimately just go for something I'm comfortable with when I'm ready. The numbers are all over the board as to what people suggest. Not in this thread, but from every page I've been reading online.

I don't currently have a doctor and that's my first stop. I'm not sure if i can see any old doctor for the blood tests or if that is a waste of time/money. I tried to call a couple endos today but they require a referral. Bit overwhelmed at the moment.

[Davidtheman100]

I'm not against it, it's just longer than I've read previously. I am a just a sponge trying to take in all the info I can and ultimately just go for something I'm comfortable with when I'm ready. The numbers are all over the board as to what people suggest. Not in this thread, but from every page I've been reading online.

I don't currently have a doctor and that's my first stop. I'm not sure if i can see any old doctor for the blood tests or if that is a waste of time/money. I tried to call a couple endos today but they require a referral. Bit overwhelmed at the moment.

Chicken and broccolli is fine and in fact it's good if it's your first cycle and are trying to lean out....Look a little harder or even ask your current doctor if you can get one and there are plenty online that will do private testing in your area...  ...Would be best in an ideal world to get bloods before, during and after cycle...So you know what your test levels are before you started, and what they ended up being after PCT to judge your recovery. The glory of getting pharm grade test is not having to get bloods during the cycle to see if your stuff is legit like you would with UGL...In any case, if you can only do one make sure it's after the cycle and PCT is done to see where your levels are and if you recovered fine....13 weeks test at 500mg is perfect for a first cycle....Should be split up into 2 shots a week...Doesn't matter what everyone else says...Nobody runs just plain 8 week cycles with long esters unless they're switching compounds but if they're cycling and do that they're just retarded because for some people long esters don't even kick in full till the 5-6-7 week....But normally by 4th week most everyone will be feeling it good/have been feeling it....If you are an older guy or if you don't care about your balls shrinking and are a younger guy then you don't need any HCG....Would an AI be good to have while you're on cycle? Absolutely. Some aromatize more than others...Some can run grams of test and have no puffy nips...Some peoples nips flare up on just above trt dose...AI will also help with dryness and keeping E2 in control with an addition of keeping BP in better shape...PCT should use nolvadex and clomid...The dosages depend on whether you're going 8 weeks or 13 weeks...BUT what doesn't change, is the length of the PCT...Which should always be 4 weeks...You can either inbox me or comment on here if you need any other help regarding your cycle

[Littleguyontheprairie]

Holy crap, thanks. I appreciate the level of detail and basically hand holding you're providing.

I do have another question should anyone care to answer it:
When people talk about their PCT, for instance:
"Nolva 40/40/20/20"

Are they referencing their weekly mg nolvadex dose of pct week 1/2/3/4? So week 1 is 40mg total split across all 7 days?

And yes, I certainly do care about my balls.

[Davidtheman100]

Holy crap, thanks. When people talk about their PCT for instance:
"Nolva 40/40/20/20"

Are they referencing their weekly mg nolvadex dose of pct week 1/2/3/4? So week 1 is 40mg total split across all 7 days?

Yes they are referencing their weekly mg of nolvadex. So week 1 is 40mg EVERYDAY not split across 7 days...

[Littleguyontheprairie]

Are the mg weight/gender/height/amount of test used based? Or a one size fits all guess?