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What happened to dan Howard?
« on: October 27, 2015, 07:43:39 PM »
Of Howard's gym. Chiropractor too.

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Re: What happened to dan Howard?
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2015, 07:47:37 AM »
dan howard was an actor also, he can be seen in 4 movies,the biggest one was the eiger sanction[1975] with clint eastwood....he also was a gym owner and i think he franchised gyms also....he might have been an equipment manufacturer too...not 100 percent on that though.
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Re: What happened to dan Howard?
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2017, 01:45:26 AM »
Dan Howard made most of the equipment for the first world gym even though joe gold got the credit for it.


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Re: What happened to dan Howard?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2017, 12:34:35 PM »
there's an article on dan howard in this mag...
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Re: What happened to dan Howard?
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2022, 12:22:22 PM »
Dan Howard came out to play in the Rose Bowl in the 60's where he met Joe Gold while working out at Gold's Gym. Dan later managed the original Gold's Gym during the filming of the movie "Pumping Iron" on Pacific in Venice California. (After Joe had sold Gold's Gym and gone out to sea.)
Dan later helped Joe Gold build equipment for Joe's original World Gym located at 2210 Main St. in Santa Monica, California. There is a picture on the internet showing Joe and Dan at the side of Joe's shop, that Joe had build next to his house in Venice. (This is were I first met Dan. The picture shows Dan and Joe and in the foreground creating the 45 degree leg press.)

Dan later moved to Orange County, and started Howard's World Gym located in Fountain Valley, California. Dan also built a line of gym equipment behind his gym called "Howard's Gym equipment". Boyer Coe also worked out of Dan's gym and helped with starting up the Body Master line of equipment.
 Dan later went on to form one of the Cowboy shooting Assoc., and went by the name "Doc Bones".  Dan also liked bench rest shooting, and built his own guns.
Dan was a true craftsman, and was never giving credit for some of the equipment he helped to create. He was a master of metal fabrication, and helped to teach Joe some of the finer points of welding, which Joe later passed on to me. Dan was also skilled in leather work creating saddles for his horses and his wife Linda on their ranch in Riverside California.
Dan and I drove out to Venice in my truck where someone name Bruce who owned several Gold's Gyms back east coast filmed Dan for a documentary on Gold's Gym. He also set a camera man out to Dan's ranch to film him working on a standing preacher bench. I hope someday the documentary will come out, because Dan was a good friend to many, but little is known about him if you look him up online.
 I would like to thank all at Getbig for allowing me to share what I know about Dan - Sunday

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Re: What happened to dan Howard?
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2022, 11:04:34 PM »
Dan Howard came out to play in the Rose Bowl in the 60's where he met Joe Gold while working out at Gold's Gym. Dan later managed the original Gold's Gym during the filming of the movie "Pumping Iron" on Pacific in Venice California. (After Joe had sold Gold's Gym and gone out to sea.)
Dan later helped Joe Gold build equipment for Joe's original World Gym located at 2210 Main St. in Santa Monica, California. There is a picture on the internet showing Joe and Dan at the side of Joe's shop, that Joe had build next to his house in Venice. (This is were I first met Dan. The picture shows Dan and Joe and in the foreground creating the 45 degree leg press.)

Dan later moved to Orange County, and started Howard's World Gym located in Fountain Valley, California. Dan also built a line of gym equipment behind his gym called "Howard's Gym equipment". Boyer Coe also worked out of Dan's gym and helped with starting up the Body Master line of equipment.
 Dan later went on to form one of the Cowboy shooting Assoc., and went by the name "Doc Bones".  Dan also liked bench rest shooting, and built his own guns.
Dan was a true craftsman, and was never giving credit for some of the equipment he helped to create. He was a master of metal fabrication, and helped to teach Joe some of the finer points of welding, which Joe later passed on to me. Dan was also skilled in leather work creating saddles for his horses and his wife Linda on their ranch in Riverside California.
Dan and I drove out to Venice in my truck where someone name Bruce who owned several Gold's Gyms back east coast filmed Dan for a documentary on Gold's Gym. He also set a camera man out to Dan's ranch to film him working on a standing preacher bench. I hope someday the documentary will come out, because Dan was a good friend to many, but little is known about him if you look him up online.
 I would like to thank all at Getbig for allowing me to share what I know about Dan - Sunday
Iíve been preaching about Dan's genius to people for 20 years. The equipment he created was amazing for the time and many well known companies basically lifted the designs for their own lines.

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Re: What happened to dan Howard?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2022, 09:23:21 PM »
The first adjustable cams where you could change the resistance on the weights I first saw at Dan's gym in Fountain Valley. Years later they now are on all the major leg extension and leg bicep curl machines.
 His first wife Linda once told me about a time when her and Dan went to a bodybuilding contest in Orange County, and a gym equipment company had already copied and was trying to sell a machine that Dan had invented and put on his gym's floor two weeks earlier. She said he started getting upset and they had to leave.
The first 45 degree leg press that I ever saw was at Joe's original World Gym around early the 1980's. Joe and Dan built it on the side of Joe's home. A year later every gym seem to have one.
You are correct that Dan never really got the credit he deserved for much of what he did. Frank Zane I remember had nothing but good things to say about Dan and what he created. He was the one that put the documentary crew in touch with Dan. Joe Gold also spoke very highly of Dan, and let Dan use his shop to build his equipment to start up his gym in Fountain Valley. Joe did it  as a "thank you" for Dan helping Joe earlier when he built his first World Gym.

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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2022, 12:47:46 PM »
The first adjustable cams where you could change the resistance on the weights I first saw at Dan's gym in Fountain Valley. Years later they now are on all the major leg extension and leg bicep curl machines.
 His first wife Linda once told me about a time when her and Dan went to a bodybuilding contest in Orange County, and a gym equipment company had already copied and was trying to sell a machine that Dan had invented and put on his gym's floor two weeks earlier. She said he started getting upset and they had to leave.
The first 45 degree leg press that I ever saw was at Joe's original World Gym around early the 1980's. Joe and Dan built it on the side of Joe's home. A year later every gym seem to have one.
You are correct that Dan never really got the credit he deserved for much of what he did. Frank Zane I remember had nothing but good things to say about Dan and what he created. He was the one that put the documentary crew in touch with Dan. Joe Gold also spoke very highly of Dan, and let Dan use his shop to build his equipment to start up his gym in Fountain Valley. Joe did it  as a "thank you" for Dan helping Joe earlier when he built his first World Gym.
what role did the guy who owned the Santa Monica bodybuilding center play? I think his name was George and he was European.

I know that all the equipment at Santa Monica bodybuilding center had very similar designs to Dan and World Gym and it was painted bright Orange.

I personally started playing around making strength equipment back in Australia in 1991 since my grandfather and Uncle ran a job shop, so I could get them the weld things for me. I worked at a crappy student gym for several years from age 19 and we modified many pieces slightly to improve them. The cable row pulley was too low to the ground so we raised it and people were very happy. We built a new 30 degree incline press bench to replace the old 45 degree one since it hurt people's shoulder joints. We used the old photos of golds gym #1 to design it after the 2Ē square version that Dan must have built around 1974/5 with the spotters platform off the back.

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Re: What happened to dan Howard?
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2022, 11:34:10 AM »
The Santa Monica Bodybuilding gym had some great machines, and George had it open for general membership until he decided to close it off and turned it into a private gym. Several top name actors would train there. I believe Tom Cruise was one. (?) It's my understanding that he also closed it off, as he was concerned about people stealing his ideas.
George was a former machinist by trade and Joe Gold told me that George's equipment was first rate. A guy who worked at World's named J.J. would go over from time to time to see George, and agreed George had some great design.
 
As far as the angle on the 45 degree incline bench goes, Both Dan Joe Gold told me that they felt 37 degrees was perfect.
Dan also created for the original World Gym a low pulley row machine with the lower pulley mounted at 45 degrees with a pull pin to adjust the height of the pulley. The height of the pulley could be change so you could pull more with either your upper or lower back. The height of the handle you used to pull the weight stack would change, but the cable that the handle was attached to remain in the same location. It was a great idea that I have not seem since. I built one based on Dan's design, and have it at my house.
I also have a few pieces of Joe's original equipment that I received from Charlie who lived next door to Joe, as well as some items Joe personnel gave to me. I'm hoping to get them in some museums someday. The Stark Museum in Austin Texas had showed some interest. (Terry Todd's wife Jan oversees it. Should come up if you Goggle it.)

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Re: What happened to dan Howard?
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2022, 12:01:11 PM »
Dan and Linda Howard at Joe Gold's memorial in 2004.

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Re: What happened to dan Howard?
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2022, 07:30:19 PM »
Sunday, did you build the vertical leg press at the second World gym? If I recall correctly it was painted blue and had a name plate on it that said Sunday Murray on it. Great piece

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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2022, 08:27:16 AM »
Yes. It was based on the leg press at Joe's first World Gym at 2210 Main St. in Santa Monica. The only difference was I used linear bushing that Joe had received for me from Body Master. Joe had incorporated several designs into the one he built that were novel. Prior to his design, the leg presses that you laid under would have a flat pad you laid on, and the pad you pushed up on with your legs was also flat. It killed your back when you went all the way down to the stop. Joe angled both the top and bottom pads to take the pressure off your back. (10 degrees ?) He also made it so the weights were loaded on the sides, instead of directly overhead. Prior to that the weights were always loaded directly overhead, and it was dangerous when someone was doing super sets. Often they would have their workout partner taking weights on and off while they were directly underneath. (This was prior to Dan and Joe building the 45 degree leg press.) We removed my leg press when the gym was moved from 812 Main St. in Venice (second gym), to the Marina Del Rey gym due to space issues. Around that time I would help Joe and Charlie fix some of the equipment, as Joe's health was not the best at that time. Charlie is also someone who really helped out Joe.

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Re: What happened to dan Howard?
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2022, 12:39:42 PM »
To give you an idea how far things have progressed, here is a picture Joe had of the leg press from the Vic Tanny gyms of the late 1950's. It's a two sided inverted leg press. Shows how Joe, Dan, and many others progressed the basic designs that had been around for some time. The early 80's into the mid 90's saw a big progression in gym equipment, due to gyms being profitable.

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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2022, 07:22:38 PM »
Do Dan's blueprints still exist?

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Re: What happened to dan Howard?
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2022, 10:33:29 AM »
Not sure. Dan was good about keeping records, while Joe kept everything in his head. (Making simple drawing on scrape paper that ended up being tossed.) I know years ago when Dan and I went up to Venice and they interviewed him, he produced a drawing for a squat machine idea he had while working for Arthur Jones. I have not seen Dan in some time. He had some health issues and my family lost contact with him.

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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2022, 03:51:38 PM »
thank you for sharing some of your memories Sunday, looking forward to more.
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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2022, 10:59:25 PM »
Not sure. Dan was good about keeping records, while Joe kept everything in his head. (Making simple drawing on scrape paper that ended up being tossed.) I know years ago when Dan and I went up to Venice and they interviewed him, he produced a drawing for a squat machine idea he had while working for Arthur Jones. I have not seen Dan in some time. He had some health issues and my family lost contact with him.
so have you been involved with any of the equipment manufacturers over the years? What has been your profession?

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Re: What happened to dan Howard?
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2022, 10:40:41 AM »
I just helped out on Sundays up at World Gym, but was never interested, nor did I get into the business side of building equipment. I enjoyed working out and often going to Joe's shop afterwards to lend a hand. Very few people ever got to see the "shop" side of things. To me that was like someone going over to a friend's garage to work on cars. It was a hobby that I enjoyed.  Joe enjoyed it as it kept his mind shape. It also took his mind off of the health issues he was facing. It was also a place where he sometimes would share stories about the past, which he also did when old friends would come to see him in the office. Being a "Fly on the Wall" was interesting. The reason I chimed in on this post was to make sure Dan was not forgotten. 

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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2022, 12:47:31 PM »
I just helped out on Sundays up at World Gym, but was never interested, nor did I get into the business side of building equipment. I enjoyed working out and often going to Joe's shop afterwards to lend a hand. Very few people ever got to see the "shop" side of things. To me that was like someone going over to a friend's garage to work on cars. It was a hobby that I enjoyed.  Joe enjoyed it as it kept his mind shape. It also took his mind off of the health issues he was facing. It was also a place where he sometimes would share stories about the past, which he also did when old friends would come to see him in the office. Being a "Fly on the Wall" was interesting. The reason I chimed in on this post was to make sure Dan was not forgotten.
Yes, Dan always deserved more recognition.

Btw, I just saw a video of them tearing down the 2nd world gym location building in Venice.

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Re: What happened to dan Howard?
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2022, 08:43:49 PM »
To bad, that was a great gym

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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2022, 10:12:31 AM »
 
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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2022, 07:48:54 AM »
This picture was taken a few months after the first World Gym opened. The chrome Universal machine in the foreground was loaned to Joe by Harold Zinkin until Joe could make more equipment. (They sold a lot of these machines to high school and college gyms.) Joe and Harold were lifelong friends. Harold was the first Mr. California. He was in his 90's when he spoke at Joe's service.

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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2022, 01:08:20 PM »
Here is a picture I took of Joe and Charlie in the shop Joe had in Inglewood. (Picture 2001 ?) Charlie was working for the phone company, and lived next door to Joe. When Joe's health started to decide in the early 80's, he hired Charlie as a helper. Joe would want to do something one way, while Charlie wanted to do things another way. This lead to some interesting conversations. Someone asked Dan Howard if Joe and Charlie were related? Dan asked why? The guy said "I would never talk to anyone that way unless I was related to them." Charlie was a great guy, and helped out a lot of people. He passed away a few years back. Anyone who was around Joe's World Gym at that time would have known Charlie.

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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2022, 05:20:24 PM »
I remember Charlie, always wore blue jeans, a T-shirt and flip-flops to the gym. I also remember a member who would reupholster the benches for Joe, I canít remember his name, but he taught me how to reupholster the benches and I was able to fix all the equipment at the high school that I was a teacher at, always very thankful for that.
Thank you for the insight on the incline benches that Joe and Dan designed, I always knew they felt better than any other ones I had used, but didnít know why. Got it now, though the angle was correct.

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Re: What happened to dan Howard?
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2022, 11:15:16 AM »
His name was Moss. He's the person who said "Sunday is here" when I arrived one Sunday, and Joe latched onto the nickname and it stuck.
 There were a lot of people in the gym that outside the gym no one would know, but they were what made the gym so interesting. The Mad Yogie, Blunderfish, Bug Eyed Louie, Vampira, Manny the Boxer, Captain Billy, Bugsy, 911 Chris, etc...all received nicknames back in the early days from Joe. There normally was a good story behind the nicknames they received. I believe Arnold once called Dan Howard "Cowboy", however Joe never gave Dan a nickname. I believe the last nickname Joe give out towards the end of his life (he had stopped giving out nicknames)was some young guy who went up to Joe and asked him for a nickname. I saw him later and asked him what it was. He looked down and said "Moron". I asked him why and he said Joe told him you had to be a moron to ask for a nickname.