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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2015, 08:19:30 PM »
Guy is a fucking nut job.  How difficult is it to say eat less?

How difficult is it to, say, workout three times a week?

Obviously very difficult for most. Hunger pangs is very hard to ignore. It sounds off the survival alarm.

Not everybody eats like a bird. I am amazed at how much food an ordinary person can wolf down. My cousin inhales his plate lunch faster than I can barely finish my "mini plate". I attribute my leanest not to any great powers of discipline but to the fact that I am just not a big eater and actually like working out.

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2015, 08:22:54 PM »
Guy is a fucking nut job.  How difficult is it to say eat less?

BTW, why is he a nut job? He became very successful debunking an eating pattern taken as gospel by most.


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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2015, 09:10:31 PM »
BTW, why is he a nut job? He became very successful debunking an eating pattern taken as gospel by most.


Because his eating pattern is a myth and offers no benefit over just counting calories.

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2015, 04:28:32 AM »
Because his eating pattern is a myth and offers no benefit over just counting calories.

Yes he does and here's why: losing weight, and this is what most people are concerned with and what I am talking about when referring to IF, is one of those things that are simple but not easy. Simple because all you have to do is be at a caloric deficit. It's not easy because you have to be at a caloric deficit. I competed in different weight classes during my Jiu-Jitsu competition days. So sometimes I had to gain weight and sometimes I had to lose weight. When dieting to lose weight I got hungry simply because I was eating less than I was use to. Now, I always ate breakfast even though I am never hungry in the morning because that's what you are suppose to do. I was always taught that breakfast was the most important meal of the day.

Now when I skip breakfast I really don't get hungry until well into the late afternoon/early evening. I go around 16 hours without eating and therefore find it easy to eat just two meals a day without those hunger pangs and cravings. And because I am now cutting the number of meals I usually have in half I can eat more in those two meals and still be at a caloric deficit. I think that by eating breakfast you reset your body back into eating mode and get hungry every 4 hours or so. I mean, you never get hungry while sleeping even if it's 8-9 hours because you are not in eating mode. With IF you extend that window.

IF just makes cutting calories so much easier. Like I said before, I just did it out of convenience but found that I was just losing too much weight and getting really skinny so I still force down that breakfast though I make a smoothie since it's fast and easier to force down in the morning instead of sitting down and eating.

 

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2015, 04:39:31 AM »
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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2015, 04:45:57 AM »
Yes he does and here's why: losing weight, and this is what most people are concerned with and what I am talking about when referring to IF, is one of those things that are simple but not easy. Simple because all you have to do is be at a caloric deficit. It's not easy because you have to be at a caloric deficit. I competed in different weight classes during my Jiu-Jitsu competition days. So sometimes I had to gain weight and sometimes I had to lose weight. When dieting to lose weight I got hungry simply because I was eating less than I was use to. Now, I always ate breakfast even though I am never hungry in the morning because that's what you are suppose to do. I was always taught that breakfast was the most important meal of the day.

Now when I skip breakfast I really don't get hungry until well into the late afternoon/early evening. I go around 16 hours without eating and therefore find it easy to eat just two meals a day without those hunger pangs and cravings. And because I am now cutting the number of meals I usually have in half I can eat more in those two meals and still be at a caloric deficit. I think that by eating breakfast you reset your body back into eating mode and get hungry every 4 hours or so. I mean, you never get hungry while sleeping even if it's 8-9 hours because you are not in eating mode. With IF you extend that window.

IF just makes cutting calories so much easier. Like I said before, I just did it out of convenience but found that I was just losing too much weight and getting really skinny so I still force down that breakfast though I make a smoothie since it's fast and easier to force down in the morning instead of sitting down and eating.

 

Basically; cortisol and gh maintain blood sugar/insulin levels during your sleep. In a way, people deciding not to eat are mimicking some of this. That's probably why someone dieting all day has a window of clarity.

At this point: I only shoot for a reasonable diet and exercise plan. I feel better a little over 200 and can't see a good reason to be hungry all day or obsess over calories. The only thing I've actively cut down is sugar.

Would be interesting to see a few fad diets and long held opinions (i.e., "A calorie is a calorie") seriously studied.

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2015, 04:55:53 AM »
Basically; cortisol and gh maintain blood sugar/insulin levels during your sleep. In a way, people deciding not to eat are mimicking some of this. That's probably why someone dieting all day has a window of clarity.

At this point: I only shoot for a reasonable diet and exercise plan. I feel better a little over 200 and can't see a good reason to be hungry all day or obsess over calories. The only thing I've actively cut down is sugar.

Would be interesting to see a few fad diets and long held opinions (i.e., "A calorie is a calorie") seriously studied.

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2015, 06:12:28 AM »
Guy is a fucking nut job.  How difficult is it to say eat less?

It seems for you everything is very simple. I wonder what are your accomplishments in real life, aside lurking on gb for eons.  ::)

Very easy to diss everyone and everywhere, a lot harder to create something of value.


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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #58 on: December 03, 2015, 06:13:59 AM »
Because his eating pattern is a myth and offers no benefit over just counting calories.

It goes far beyond that. Once again - if you only care about your body weight - that is true, if you are a bodybuilder or someone conscious about health - it is a pure bullshit.

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2015, 06:38:17 AM »
He retired? I remember checking out his site over a year ago when it was referenced in another article. It he site down now or just not maintained.

BTW, how did he make a lot of money? The site didn't seem to have a lot of followers and I don't think he was very well know with the mainstream.

I didn't say he made a lot of money, his competitors did by copying and bastardising his theories.

True, he wasn't mainstream, but he once had a waiting list for training people and it was months long.

He usually posts once a year ever since he withdrew and it is mostly about his powerlifting. Good guy, evidence based approach (he worked with Lyle McDonald and Alan Aragon at some point), no bullshitting. I think he messaged Van_Bilderass once because he wasn't sure some of his trainees were natural.

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #60 on: December 03, 2015, 06:38:59 AM »
He retired? I remember checking out his site over a year ago when it was referenced in another article. It he site down now or just not maintained.

BTW, how did he make a lot of money? The site didn't seem to have a lot of followers and I don't think he was very well know with the mainstream.
He's back a bit now. Basically he disappeared for a long time. I think he posted on his site fairly recently but does fairly often now on fb and instagram. Has a lot of vids of him getting into powerlifting more. I think he's around 230lbs now.

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #61 on: December 03, 2015, 07:21:24 AM »
Not trying to be a smart ass, but what are your stats please?
If 6 feet tall, under 200lbs, no need to reply...

I am just lean and in excellent shape year round.

Btw, the thread was about IF and mental effects. So hows my stats relevant?

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #62 on: December 03, 2015, 07:23:26 AM »
Skipping breakfast? Fuck that, within the first hour from waking up I need something to eat or I may pass out.

If you can get over that hump it's amazing how much better you feel.  Breakfast just makes your body go into shutdown digestive mode.  It sucks trying to battle through that pain of hunger but once you do the rest of the day is clear sailing.

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #63 on: December 03, 2015, 11:58:55 PM »
Basically; cortisol and gh maintain blood sugar/insulin levels during your sleep. In a way, people deciding not to eat are mimicking some of this. That's probably why someone dieting all day has a window of clarity.

I don't think this is the case for me.  I check my blood glucose and it's always between 80-95 during a fast, no matter how shitty or good I feel.

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #64 on: December 04, 2015, 01:06:10 PM »
I don't think this is the case for me.  I check my blood glucose and it's always between 80-95 during a fast, no matter how shitty or good I feel.
???

Seriously, why do you do this?  Do you have the Beetus?

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #65 on: December 04, 2015, 01:10:05 PM »
I have been doing it for years just by default.  I never have liked eating breakfast, so usually I go to about 5-6 pm when I first eat.  I usually eat all my calories by 8 pm to somewhere about 3 am or so.  The mental clarity etc... is most likely placebo effect to be honest with you.  In fact, all the nonsense claimed is pretty much placebo.

What I notice IF or not, it makes ZERO difference when you are just keeping track of calories per 24 hour period.  It really does not matter if you IF or not.
I don't like eating breakfast either. But, I notice when I do, I'm less likely to want to over eat  throughout the day. I been doing shake and piece of fruit lately.
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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #66 on: December 04, 2015, 01:10:21 PM »
???

Seriously, why do you do this?  Do you have the Beetus?
No, kidding. Curious, and curiouser.


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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #67 on: December 04, 2015, 01:32:46 PM »
I don't like eating breakfast either. But, I notice when I do, I'm less likely to want to over eat  throughout the day. I been doing shake and piece of fruit lately.
Makes sense.

One thing these IF devout morons do is binge.  All they are doing is setting up the conditions for binge eating which will eventually lead to a distorted view of food.

These IFers are usually so fucked in the head its hilarious.  They don't realize they would get the same exact results, body composition wise, just by keeping the same calories, eaten whenever they want in that 24 hr period.  Makes ZERO difference.

But as you said, many will binge and possibly overeat as they set the conditions for it by their stupid little "regiment".

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #68 on: December 04, 2015, 02:51:24 PM »
Makes sense.

One thing these IF devout morons do is binge.  All they are doing is setting up the conditions for binge eating which will eventually lead to a distorted view of food.

These IFers are usually so fucked in the head its hilarious.  They don't realize they would get the same exact results, body composition wise, just by keeping the same calories, eaten whenever they want in that 24 hr period.  Makes ZERO difference.

But as you said, many will binge and possibly overeat as they set the conditions for it by their stupid little "regiment".

Are you consciously trolling or are you really so fukkin stupid?

NO, keeping an eye on JUST calories - won't get you the results you want if we talk body composition/bodybuilding, and even less if we talk health (and Marting goes into that quite deep. Educate yourself before spitting nonsense ffs). Try eating the same calories from "good food" and same calories from fast food for a prolonged time. And binge eating is only in your imagination in this case, just like with most stuff you write - you have a theoretical "understanding", yet its far away from a real life. Pretty fukkin hilarious when a "know all" (but don't do shit) fella is criticising people like Martin, who put in lots of hours into creating something valuable for everyone. What have you created aside bullshitting on this miserable board?
 

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #69 on: December 04, 2015, 02:55:31 PM »
Are you consciously trolling or are you really so fukkin stupid?

NO, keeping an eye on JUST calories - won't get you the results you want if we talk body composition/bodybuilding, and even less if we talk health. Try eating the same calories from "good food" and same calories from fast food for a prolonged time. And binge eating is only in your imagination in this case, just like with most stuff you write - you have a theoretical "understanding", yet its far away from a real life. Pretty fukkin hilarious when a "know all" (but don't do shit) fella is criticising people like Martin, who put in lots of hours into creating something valuable for everyone. What have you created aside bullshitting on this miserable board?
 

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #70 on: December 04, 2015, 02:56:04 PM »
I guess everyone is different as far is how they prefer to eat.

For me, I prefer to eat to the point I am full of satisfied, not stuffed. I'm not a snacker at all so snacks and 6-7 small meals would be horrible for me. I prefer to have 2 small meals just to keep from going hypo and feeling light headed (such as protein shake or bowl of cottage cheese) then have 1 large fairly clean meal. Consisting of something like chicken and veggies, a salad and cup or 2 of cottage cheese.

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #71 on: December 04, 2015, 02:56:36 PM »
Are you consciously trolling or are you really so fukkin stupid?

NO, keeping an eye on JUST calories - won't get you the results you want if we talk body composition/bodybuilding, and even less if we talk health (and Marting goes into that quite deep. Educate yourself before spitting nonsense ffs). Try eating the same calories from "good food" and same calories from fast food for a prolonged time. And binge eating is only in your imagination in this case, just like with most stuff you write - you have a theoretical "understanding", yet its far away from a real life. Pretty fukkin hilarious when a "know all" (but don't do shit) fella is criticising people like Martin, who put in lots of hours into creating something valuable for everyone. What have you created aside bullshitting on this miserable board?
 
Moron,

Just take the calories you are eating now, same foods, and eat them whenever you want in a day instead of IFing it.  You will get the same EXACT results.

Hope this helps.  (it won't because you would rather believe in magic)

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #72 on: December 04, 2015, 02:58:57 PM »
Are you consciously trolling or are you really so fukkin stupid?

NO, keeping an eye on JUST calories - won't get you the results you want if we talk body composition/bodybuilding, and even less if we talk health (and Marting goes into that quite deep. Educate yourself before spitting nonsense ffs). Try eating the same calories from "good food" and same calories from fast food for a prolonged time. And binge eating is only in your imagination in this case, just like with most stuff you write - you have a theoretical "understanding", yet its far away from a real life. Pretty fukkin hilarious when a "know all" (but don't do shit) fella is criticising people like Martin, who put in lots of hours into creating something valuable for everyone. What have you created aside bullshitting on this miserable board?
 
Already have done it for years, genius.

No different results.  Keep on "bro-ing" it though.  Justify to yourself your neurotic-ism.

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #73 on: December 04, 2015, 03:02:33 PM »
Not a fan if IF. Think it's dumb.

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Re: intermittent fasting effect
« Reply #74 on: December 04, 2015, 03:10:30 PM »
Not a fan if IF. Think it's dumb.
I don't care either way because it makes zero difference when calories are accounted for.

I happen to do it by default as I just eat my calories whenever I get to them or after I make something etc...  Sometimes thats 12-18 hours.  It makes ZERO difference in how I look or energy levels or any of the nonsense IFers claim.