intermittent fasting effect

[Tennisballz]

I don't care either way because it makes zero difference when calories are accounted for.

I happen to do it by default as I just eat my calories whenever I get to them or after I make something etc...  Sometimes thats 12-18 hours.  It makes ZERO difference in how I look or energy levels or any of the nonsense IFers claim.

This I agree with.  People always want to reinvent the wheel.  The body is not fragile.  5 or 6 hours here or there doesn't make any difference whatsoever for the vast majority of us.  In the case of a mister olympia competitor, then perhaps yes it does but that's it.  People get so hung up on when to eat and what to eat and how to break it down.  They over think the shit out of it.  Just pick how much you want to eat and break it up how you feel like or what's convenient for you.  3 meals a day works for me and I don't center my life around food.  I eat till I'm full, then wait till I'm hungry and eat again.  This works out to 3 meals a day nearly 100% of the time.  Another thing most don't realize is genetics play a huge roll in this.  Very few guys eat normal and look lean.  Most of us don't have the genetics and if we eat normally we look average but certainly not overly impressive and this is something you have to accept if you don't have great genetics!!  OP, you certainly do have some characteristics of an eating disorder.  My advice is forget this bro science dieting.  Eat a good healthy 3-4 meals per day and try to stop focusing on how you look every day.  Visit the gym 3-4 times per week, but don't center your life around it.  Over time I think you'll find that you become much happier and you will feel great.

[da_vinci]

Moron,

Just take the calories you are eating now, same foods, and eat them whenever you want in a day instead of IFing it.  You will get the same EXACT results.

Hope this helps.  (it won't because you would rather believe in magic)

Dumbfuck, I'm doing exactly that, just changed my timing of eating and it had a PROFOUND effect on my daily life just merely by changing the way I feel (I've forgot what it is to be bloated or lethargic after meals. My last, biggest meal is a few hours before bed so helps to fall asleep).

Already have done it for years, genius.

No different results.  Keep on "bro-ing" it though.  Justify to yourself your neurotic-ism.

yes - you looked like shit and still look like shit. No wonder, "genius".
 Do you realize that even two different people can react VERY different to glycemic load for ex, and they can react very different when eating a certain food with another certain food, while reaction may be once again very different if only one of these foods are changed, and you, like a fukkin broken record repeat the "calorie is a calorie"bullshit. Calorie is MERELY a measurement of the HEAT that product is emitting while burning, and it ends here. Some calories will be digested more effectively from one food, than from other.
 Yes - if you have a very steady eating pattern - you may approximately regulate that to a high precision, but it still doesn't make a fukkin sense if we talk BODYBUILDING (where certain foods are a lot more effective at changing body composition. For ex - these that have a high methionine content) or if we talk HEALTH (regulation of insulin sensitivity or inducing autophagy).

Your "calorie is a calorie" bullshit is only relevant if you want to have a CERTAIN weight on a scale and don't care about how you look or feel at all.

You better shut your fukin mouth on this one or I will make you a fool just like the last time you tried to "teach" me aging sciences.

[The True Adonis]

Dumbfuck, I'm doing exactly that, just changed my timing of eating and it had a PROFOUND effect on my daily life just merely by changing the way I feel (I've forgot what it is to be bloated or lethargic after meals. My last, biggest meal is a few hours before bed so helps to fall asleep).

yes - you looked like shit and still look like shit. No wonder, "genius".
 Do you realize that even two different people can react VERY different to glycemic load for ex, and they can react very different when eating a certain food with another certain food, while reaction may be once again very different if only one of these foods are changed, and you, like a fukkin broken record repeat the "calorie is a calorie"bullshit. Calorie is MERELY a measurement of the HEAT that product is emitting while burning, and it ends here. Some calories will be digested more effectively from one food, than from other.
 Yes - if you have a very steady eating pattern - you may approximately regulate that to a high precision, but it still doesn't make a fukkin sense if we talk BODYBUILDING (where certain foods are a lot more effective at changing body composition. For ex - these that have a high methionine content) or if we talk HEALTH (regulation of insulin sensitivity or inducing autophagy).

Your "calorie is a calorie" bullshit is only relevant if you want to have a CERTAIN weight on a scale and don't care about how you look or feel at all.

You better shut your fukin mouth on this one or I will make you a fool just like the last time you tried to "teach" me aging sciences.

[da_vinci]

I'm glad you did.

[cephissus]

This I agree with.  People always want to reinvent the wheel.  The body is not fragile.  5 or 6 hours here or there doesn't make any difference whatsoever for the vast majority of us.  In the case of a mister olympia competitor, then perhaps yes it does but that's it.  People get so hung up on when to eat and what to eat and how to break it down.  They over think the shit out of it.  Just pick how much you want to eat and break it up how you feel like or what's convenient for you.  3 meals a day works for me and I don't center my life around food.  I eat till I'm full, then wait till I'm hungry and eat again.  This works out to 3 meals a day nearly 100% of the time.  Another thing most don't realize is genetics play a huge roll in this.  Very few guys eat normal and look lean.  Most of us don't have the genetics and if we eat normally we look average but certainly not overly impressive and this is something you have to accept if you don't have great genetics!!  OP, you certainly do have some characteristics of an eating disorder.  My advice is forget this bro science dieting.  Eat a good healthy 3-4 meals per day and try to stop focusing on how you look every day.  Visit the gym 3-4 times per week, but don't center your life around it.  Over time I think you'll find that you become much happier and you will feel great.

here's the thing,

i DO look VERY lean when eating normal.  i can eat 5+ lbs of food and not feel full (just did, actually).  visit the gym 3-4 times per week?  lol!!!  without daily exercise, i would go batshit insane.  nothing you say applies to me.

i can tell most of people on this forum have never dieted seriously, simply by the way they reacted to my ramblings.  "just eat til you're full", "just eat normally", "what's so complicated?"  ffs you people are clueless.

the mental state i experienced is not at all uncommon among those who diet to low bodyfat levels and stay there for a prolonged period of time (i was super lean for the better part of this year).  what you dipshits don't realize is that you don't have to START OFF with an eating disorder, you ACQUIRE one if you stay at low bodyfat for too long.  once you gain bodyfat again your mind slowly returns to normal.  do a search, and you'll see stavios made a thread about binging after his contest, and the difficulty he had breaking the behavior.  happens to lots of people, but few talk about it.

btw adonis, i began checking my BG because i suspected i might have diabetes.  i don't, but i've learned a lot (and that a lot of what people believe is bullshit) over the past few months.  probably won't check it much longer, both because my brain is functioning somewhat normally again and i'm not really learning anything new at this point.

[The True Adonis]

here's the thing,

i DO look VERY lean when eating normal.  i can eat 5+ lbs of food and not feel full (just did, actually).  visit the gym 3-4 times per week?  lol!!!  without daily exercise, i would go batshit insane.  nothing you say applies to me.

i can tell most of people on this forum have never dieted seriously, simply by the way they reacted to my ramblings.  "just eat til you're full", "just eat normally", "what's so complicated?"  ffs you people are clueless.

the mental state i experienced is not at all uncommon among those who diet to low bodyfat levels and stay there for a prolonged period of time (i was super lean for the better part of this year).  what you dipshits don't realize is that you don't have to START OFF with an eating disorder, you ACQUIRE one if you stay at low bodyfat for too long.  once you gain bodyfat again your mind slowly returns to normal.  do a search, and you'll see stavios made a thread about binging after his contest, and the difficulty he had breaking the behavior.  happens to lots of people, but few talk about it.

btw adonis, i began checking my BG because i suspected i might have diabetes.  i don't, but i've learned a lot (and that a lot of what people believe is bullshit) over the past few months.  probably won't check it much longer, both because my brain is functioning somewhat normally again and i'm not really learning anything new at this point.

Why do you think its impossible to be a low bodyfat without mental issues?  Tons of people function normally and remain in single digits.  If you are unable to do so, than clearly something is wrong with your approach and you have not found something that works for your body and your brain.  Looks like you need to throw your "diet" in the dumpster and try again.

A normal person just doesn't do the things you have done in an effort to get lean- Purging, binge-eat-starve-binge-starve etc... monitoring glucose levels and so on.  I mean for fucks sake you got to the point you were so weak, women could own you in the gym.  At what point do you look at yourself and think, I'm fucking nuts and need to do something rational instead.

Find a rational approach for once that allows for single digits (if that is what you want) and a healthy mind (if that is what you want).  Seems that you have not been able to do so yet.

Why continue hare-brained approach after hare-brained approach?  Are you some kind of fucking sadist or something?

[cephissus]

Why do you think its impossible to be a low bodyfat without mental issues?  Tons of people function normally and remain in single digits.

It's not.  I was under 10% for pretty much my entire life until I first 'bulked' with no issue at all.  Some people can be even leaner without any problems.  But everyone has a breaking point, and I reached mine.  If this weren't the case, bodybuilders would stay stage ready all year round.

A normal person just doesn't do the things you have done in an effort to get lean- Purging, binge-eat-starve-binge-starve etc... monitoring glucose levels and so on.  I mean for fucks sake you got to the point you were so weak, women could own you in the gym.  At what point do you look at yourself and think, I'm fucking nuts and need to do something rational instead.

Normal people are fatass slobs who don't give a second thought to anything they do.  But to address your main point: you don't start off deranged, you gradually BECOME deranged.  After a sufficient period of starvation, you have BECOME irrational and cannot assess yourself 'normally' or choose a rational, corrective action.  Actually, this phenomenon has been studied, but remains a relatively unpopular topic in bodybuilding, probably because first hand experience is 'hard to come by', so to speak.

Admittedly, it's very hard to understand without firsthand experience.

Why continue hare-brained approach after hare-brained approach?  Are you some kind of fucking sadist or something?

Because I realized no one is going to 'show me the way'.  I've finally grown up enough to realize the world is essentially comprised of two types of people, those who need "truth" and those who create it.  The sheep and the wolves, the naive and the bullshitters, the 'betas' and the 'alphas', or whatever other names you want to give.  If you aren't going to belong to the former group your whole life, you have to get into the world and get your hands dirty.  Sometimes the only way you're going to learn is through the pain and suffering of firsthand experimentation.

But why do I need to learn?  Because learning is the only way, I believe, to change my self-image, or identity.  If I know, through firsthand experience, how harmful my 'ideals' are, I can finally let go of them.  If not, I'm left tormented by question marks.

People were right to say I had a problematic body image.  But I'm overcoming it, and I couldn't have done so without the experiences I had this past year or so.  As hellish as it was, I don't regret it.

[Disgusted]

I don't care either way because it makes zero difference when calories are accounted for.

I happen to do it by default as I just eat my calories whenever I get to them or after I make something etc...  Sometimes thats 12-18 hours.  It makes ZERO difference in how I look or energy levels or any of the nonsense IFers claim.

You kinda missed my point. I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying in this particular post I'm saying that IF imo doesn't have any real benifits. 

[drkaje]

Anyone arguing that a bulimic's mind is stable once their body fat is back to normal shouldn't be giving advice, LOL!

[The True Adonis]

You kinda missed my point. I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying in this particular post I'm saying that IF imo doesn't have any real benifits. 

Oh I know.  I was just adding a bit to our agreement.

There is no real benefit to IF at all.  One day the morons will realize that it was all a waste of time and they could achieve the same exact result by just taking the calories they currently consume and using them in any fashion rather than the binge-fast stupidity pointlessness.  Just wait, it will be hilarious to watch in time.

[The True Adonis]

It's not.  I was under 10% for pretty much my entire life until I first 'bulked' with no issue at all.  Some people can be even leaner without any problems.  But everyone has a breaking point, and I reached mine.  If this weren't the case, bodybuilders would stay stage ready all year round.

Normal people are fatass slobs who don't give a second thought to anything they do.  But to address your main point: you don't start off deranged, you gradually BECOME deranged.  After a sufficient period of starvation, you have BECOME irrational and cannot assess yourself 'normally' or choose a rational, corrective action.  Actually, this phenomenon has been studied, but remains a relatively unpopular topic in bodybuilding, probably because first hand experience is 'hard to come by', so to speak.

Admittedly, it's very hard to understand without firsthand experience.

Because I realized no one is going to 'show me the way'.  I've finally grown up enough to realize the world is essentially comprised of two types of people, those who need "truth" and those who create it.  The sheep and the wolves, the naive and the bullshitters, the 'betas' and the 'alphas', or whatever other names you want to give.  If you aren't going to belong to the former group your whole life, you have to get into the world and get your hands dirty.  Sometimes the only way you're going to learn is through the pain and suffering of firsthand experimentation.

But why do I need to learn?  Because learning is the only way, I believe, to change my self-image, or identity.  If I know, through firsthand experience, how harmful my 'ideals' are, I can finally let go of them.  If not, I'm left tormented by question marks.

People were right to say I had a problematic body image.  But I'm overcoming it, and I couldn't have done so without the experiences I had this past year or so.  As hellish as it was, I don't regret it.

You may like this poem.

[da_vinci]

Oh I know.  I was just adding a bit to our agreement.

There is no real benefit to IF at all.  One day the morons will realize that it was all a waste of time and they could achieve the same exact result by just taking the calories they currently consume and using them in any fashion rather than the binge-fast stupidity pointlessness.  Just wait, it will be hilarious to watch in time.

It is hilarious already, to read bullshit from a moron who doesn't even know what is he talking about. I'd ram my fist deeeeep into your cumface so fukkin gladly.

I will repeat one more time: EDUCATE YOURSELF on the matter before discussing it you bag of shit.

[NaturalWonder83]

I've eaten throughout the day, I've tried the 6 meals a day, I've tried normal 3 meals a day

But IF is the best I've ever felt

I get no hunger cravings
My energy is better
I've leaned up with no effort
My blood work improved
My mood is better

I love it

[da_vinci]

I've eaten throughout the day, I've tried the 6 meals a day, I've tried normal 3 meals a day

But IF is the best I've ever felt

I get no hunger cravings
My energy is better
I've leaned up with no effort
My blood work improved
My mood is better

I love it

Our "genius" knows better

[cephissus]

But carbohydrate restriction is really just one way of achieving an adrenal hormone buzz that provides unfathomably good results in the short-term while mysteriously disappearing later on.  Another is rigorous exercise. Another is fasting or intermittent fasting. Then you have just plain calorie restriction – which usually feels awesome and invigorating before the crash landing. Stimulants will do the trick as well. Ephedra was an amazing supplement for many people from what I understand. A happily-ever-after? I don’t think so.

Each of these techniques or diets relies upon one thing – and that is a rise in catecholamines. Catecholamines collectively refer to the stimulatory adrenal hormones – mostly epinephrine and norepinephrine. These hormones, when released, cause a rise in body temperature, a rise in mitochondrial activity, an increase in mental acuity, cognition, and alertness (or at least the feeling of being sharper even if you really aren’t), a huge rise in physical energy, the release of fat tissue from fat cells, a drop in appetite, and weight loss while feeling not only good – but far better than normal.

http://180degreehealth.com/the-catecholamine-honeymoon/

Adrenaline release was my original hypothesis.  This guy seems to think so as well.  This passage really correlates with my experiences.

[calfzilla]

I think the key is finding what works best for you as an individual. For me I prefer IF and eating 1 or 2 meals a day. Others may prefer 3 or 6. Nothing wrong with either one.

[ritch]

TA says meal timing has no factor but I think not eating can prime your bodies hormones, has insulin work in your factor, stuff like that. I can't explain it or prove it, but think there's an advantage to it.

Just placing carbs before, during, after training to get lean, rest of the day protein and fats works very well. There's timing involved here and without it, it wouldn't work as it does.

Odd how some just don't understand that.

[calfzilla]

TA says meal timing has no factor but I think not eating can prime your bodies hormones, has insulin work in your factor, stuff like that. I can't explain it or prove it, but think there's an advantage to it.

Just placing carbs before, during, after training to get lean, rest of the day protein and fats works very well. There's timing involved here and without it, it wouldn't work as it does.

Odd how some just don't understand that.

IF increases growth hormone.

[ritch]

IF increases growth hormone.

yeah, that one shines when you don't eat. Probably a good reason why this system seems to keep guys much leaner.

[SF1900]

How does intermittent fasting make you "sharper?" When I am hungry, all I could think about is eating.

[Never1AShow]

What evidence is there that there is some normal pattern of eating that would allow cephissus to have single digit body fat instead of a diet that causes him to suffer and go crazy a bit and obsess on food?

It may just not be in the cards for him.  Frankly I don't think it is in the cards for all but a small percentage of genetically gifted.  The rest who eat anywhere near normal without hunger and suffering or some drugs will look okay at best.

The problem is with expectations, which are too hig.

[Primemuscle]

What evidence is there that there is some normal pattern of eating that would allow cephissus to have single digit body fat instead of a diet that causes him to suffer and go crazy a bit and obsess on food?

It may just not be in the cards for him.  Frankly I don't think it is in the cards for all but a small percentage of genetically gifted.  The rest who eat anywhere near normal without hunger and suffering or some drugs will look okay at best.

The problem is with expectations, which are too hig.

Does this count? I ate breakfast today at 3:00 p.m. I should qualify this by letting you know that I woke up at 1:00 p.m.

[Mike]

As a fat kid all my life i really benefit from IF.

I can eat 3 huge meals with a bit of discipline during the day.

Last meal at 1am
Next meal at 5pm
Next at 10pm

Losing bf VERY slow but VERy steady.  15 lbs since August

[Primemuscle]

As a fat kid all my life i really benefit from IF.

I can eat 3 huge meals with a bit of discipline during the day.

Last meal at 1am
Next meal at 5pm
Next at 10pm

Losing bf VERY slow but VERy steady.  15 lbs since August

Slow and steady is the way to do it. Keep up the good work.

[El Diablo Blanco]

I was doing IF for a while and lost some quality fat poundage.  Got the fucking flu, didn't eat much for a while then felt better and  ravenous eating everything in site.  All that eating for a week and I'm sleepy all the time, needing naps, feeling bloated.  While doing IF I had energy through the roof.  Now I fall asleep if I sit down for a minute.  Need to get my ass back into again.