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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #225 on: January 10, 2016, 10:26:45 AM »
Yes, the environment footprint and predatory practices are devastating.
And imagine the success McDonald's would have if they ran an efficient business?

Maybe the confusion stems from differing concepts of what is morally right and what constitutes success in a civilized world.

If I recall correctly you're an proponent of moral relativism? This would explain the incongruous reactions to your claims about capitalism and it's effects. You may want to clarify this.

Also, when someone raises a question about quantitative easing within the framework of a free market, you can't just gloss over it.

The highly respectable posters in this thread deserve answers on this and your other outrageous claims.

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« Reply #226 on: January 10, 2016, 11:07:04 PM »
Maybe the confusion stems from differing concepts of what is morally right and what constitutes success in a civilized world.

If I recall correctly you're an proponent of moral relativism? This would explain the incongruous reactions to your claims about capitalism and it's effects. You may want to clarify this.

Also, when someone raises a question about quantitative easing within the framework of a free market, you can't just gloss over it.

The highly respectable posters in this thread deserve answers on this and your other outrageous claims.



Absolutely, positively wrong! You know I am a man of faith so how could you even think I am a proponent of moral relativism? It is anathema to all people of faith?  One of the main differences between a theist and secularist is the theist believes that there are moral absolutes. It doesn't matter how you feel about it or that this is your culture or beliefs. One of the gifts of Judeaism is the ideal of Ethical Monotheism -- one God and one moral system that applies to everybody. It doesn't matter that sacrificing a virgin is part of your culture -- it's wrong. It's murder. Murder is ALWAYS wrong. ALWAYS.

Now this is not to say, as I know you like to pick apart every trivial detail that should be common sense to the less hostile and agenda driven, that there are gradations of evil: not all acts of stealing are equal and some are worse than others. And any act, in and of itself, is morally neutral, it is the context that determines it's morality. Cutting open a man's chest can be an act of ruthless violence or a delicate surgical procedure. The difference between self defense and murder. The difference between the expression of love and rape. Same act, difference context and therefore morally different.

And I can choose to address or gloss over anything I want within the given framework, which in this case was my pleasure in the lowering of the price of McDoubles. The fact that it morphed into something I would never have imagine was not my intention. And I don't consider monetary policy to stimulate the economy or lower inflation a moral issue.

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« Reply #227 on: January 10, 2016, 11:32:56 PM »
It is true, and abundantly clear, that you and I have a difference of opinion on what logic means. I use this word in the philosophical sense: the use of reasoning. I am simply pointing out that your reasoning is wanting. Via your logic / reasoning, you deduce a wild array of theories / attributes, whose inferences do not validly trace back from the initial facts.

If you genuinely seek truth, above all else, I would suggest that your chances of finding it will improve, if you use a more measured, analytical approach. This will result in a more productive dialog.

I will bow out at this juncture.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend.




I do not consider logic and reason to be a philosophical issue which I consider more abstract. Logic is much more concrete and follow specific rules, e.g., If the premises are true, if the argument is valid, then, perforce, the conclusion will be true. Mathematics would be a better example of pure reasoning and logic than philosophy.

So yes, we differ wildly in our definition of logic. And because you cannot follow my line of reasoning this does not automatically mean that my reasoning is "wanting". When I say that if a system promotes moral behavior then I consider it a moral system. Conversely, if a system produces immoral behavior, say, for example, Communism, then it is an immoral system. Or "evil" as Reagan so famously proclaimed. That line of reasoning is crystal clear to me. You may not agree, and/or don't accept the premises, but to proclaim it is lacking a measured analytical approach is just pretense. I mean, seriously, we've had discussions before. You think I just pull this stuff out of thin air? That I've never had this discussion before? That I'm not thought through? That I haven't spent a life time pondering the great issues of life?

Though you may think it to be so, and, more likely, want it to be so, this does not necessarily make it so. Or as one the books assigned to me in my symbolic logic class decades ago so "abstractly" put it:

"Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.”

-- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass, and what Alice found there

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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #228 on: January 10, 2016, 11:34:55 PM »

You can eat as much of that garbage as you would like.  What do you do with all those happy meal toys you collect, Uncle Pellius?

I don't ever remember such a promotion. Who do you know? Do you really follow the going ons with McDonalds so closely. If so, why?

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« Reply #229 on: January 10, 2016, 11:36:01 PM »
Ok.
One personal story about so called McDonald's "food".
A few yrs ago I saw a vid about one supposed 6yr old cheeseburger.
Of course I didn't believe it and bought one to test this myself.
Also I wrote the date of purchase on the paper wrap.
I put that thingy in some cupboard and forgot about it.
After like maybe a year and 2 months later i found that thing again.
Opened it and well it didn't decompose.
Basically looked the same like at the day of purchase.
: /
I still kept it and maybe 2 yrs later i was curious.
Still no decomposing.

Pretty scary.
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« Reply #230 on: January 10, 2016, 11:49:01 PM »

Weakest comeback.  ::)

LOL and you take hormones to look like that? Hahaha where is this superior attitude coming from?  You look like a stack of desiccated chicken livers and you're essentially juiced to get that way.

No it's not. Which is why I have you melting like a bitch.

As far as how I look? Compare to what? If it's Gary Strydom or Robby Robinson, both who have built careers on their physique, then, yes I look like shit. Compared to the average 55 year old? 45 year old? 35 year old? Compared to you? Then I am way ahead of the game.

It's almost painful and even beneath me to even respond to you. Most people are wrongly referred to as dumb or stupid when they are just ignorant. They lack education or experience with the subject at hand and foolishly try to speak intelligently on the issue. But you really are stupid and dumb. Your cognitive abilities are simply lacking in all aspects. You simple lack the capacity to comprehend simple concepts. And one of the hallmarks of such staggering stupidity is the lack of awareness of how stupid you really are and come across. In short, you are too stupid to realize how stupid you really are.

Why do you avoid simple questions like if you believe McDonald's is not nutritious food then it would follow that if you eat only at McDonald's you would develop a nutrition deficiency and if you continue on you will get sick and eventually die from eating only at McDonald's? Do you believe that? Just answer the simple question base on an assertion YOU made.

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« Reply #231 on: January 11, 2016, 03:54:23 AM »
This thread...  :D
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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #232 on: January 11, 2016, 05:49:56 AM »
Ok.
One personal story about so called McDonald's "food".
A few yrs ago I saw a vid about one supposed 6yr old cheeseburger.
Of course I didn't believe it and bought one to test this myself.
Also I wrote the date of purchase on the paper wrap.
I put that thingy in some cupboard and forgot about it.
After like maybe a year and 2 months later i found that thing again.
Opened it and well it didn't decompose.
Basically looked the same like at the day of purchase.
: /
I still kept it and maybe 2 yrs later i was curious.
Still no decomposing.

Pretty scary.


Scary? Why?

This a perfect example of how different perspectives and propaganda
as well as a misunderstanding or unawareness that with all of life there are trade offs. For example, that fat, and absolutely essentially macro nutrient, is inherently bad and makes food junk (french fries compared to potatoes).

Another is that preservatives are a bad thing. Really? Compared to what? Compared to having rotten or insect infected food? It would be different (but not completely) if we each grew our own vegetables in our back yard and slay our meat and dress with our own hands. But the fact is our food is grown and raised in huge quantities and trucked, shipped and flown from across the nation and the world.
Impossible without insecticides and preservatives and why I consider a food that does not spoil a good thing. You think it's scary that a McDonald's burger doesn't rot. I think rotten food is scary as well as gross.

In an ideal world, I would always prefer a fresh burger made with freshly picked lettuce, freshly baked bread, and beef grounded from a cow in my backyard that was alive just an hour ago. But in real life if my choice is between a rotten burger that's been sitting for 3 days or one that's been sitting for 3 days full of preservatives but just 30 seconds in the micro and it's just like new.

Life is full of trade offs.


Anyway, picked up another four McDoubles with extra slime. Two for the drive home and one for breakfast tomorrow and one on hand to carry throughout the day in a hunger emergency. One thing I like about McDonald's burgers is that, like cockroaches, they last forever. I had one sitting on the counter for a couple of days and 30 sec in the microwave and it was as good as new. The melted cheese gave it that extra yum.

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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #233 on: January 11, 2016, 06:25:47 AM »
Scary? Why?

Because it doesn't decompose.
Organic or natural food will start to decompose very soon.
Microorganisms will form or other organisms will get attracted to it and help decomposing.
This "food" gets avoided even by stupid microorganisms LOL.
Although my thoughts were more like "fuck, is it plastic or some shit?"
And i remembered Duchemin and Tricatel of the movie "The Wing or the Thigh" : )
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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #234 on: January 11, 2016, 07:03:12 AM »
No it's not. Which is why I have you melting like a bitch.

As far as how I look? Compare to what? If it's Gary Strydom or Robby Robinson, both who have built careers on their physique, then, yes I look like shit. Compared to the average 55 year old? 45 year old? 35 year old? Compared to you? Then I am way ahead of the game.

It's almost painful and even beneath me to even respond to you. Most people are wrongly referred to as dumb or stupid when they are just ignorant. They lack education or experience with the subject at hand and foolishly try to speak intelligently on the issue. But you really are stupid and dumb. Your cognitive abilities are simply lacking in all aspects. You simple lack the capacity to comprehend simple concepts. And one of the hallmarks of such staggering stupidity is the lack of awareness of how stupid you really are and come across. In short, you are too stupid to realize how stupid you really are.

Why do you avoid simple questions like if you believe McDonald's is not nutritious food then it would follow that if you eat only at McDonald's you would develop a nutrition deficiency and if you continue on you will get sick and eventually die from eating only at McDonald's? Do you believe that? Just answer the simple question base on an assertion YOU made.

Yeah, it was a pretty lame comeback. And your definition of "melting" is pretty broad. If anyone sounds like an unhinged loon in this thread it's you. And you also look like you are literally melting.


You can call me dumb all you like, but even  you know it's not true. I'm obviously a bright guy and that whole paragraph basically just amounts to the frustrated ramblings of an impotent keysmasher. But, ooh wait! You said I'm too dumb to realize how dumb I am. Guess the fact that some creepy, old perv I'm arguing with on the internet didn't convince me I'm stupid by calling me stupid proves that, right? ::)


And I didn't avoid any question. Just as you are entitled to gloss over whatever you see fit and respond to whatever you think is relevant, so am I. I corrected you when you misrepresented the guy who lost weight on a McDonald's diet and I also corrected you when you tried to conflate your very specific claim that "McDoubles are nutritious" with a broader "you can eat a nutritious diet at mcdonalds". If you need further clarification, if you define "nutritious" as food containing nutrients that will keep you from dying, then yes, McDoubles are nutritious. If you use the more common definition- promoting good health- then they are not. And it is as simple as that. If a parent  made McDoubles a regular, consistent part of their children's diet it would be detrimental to their health. It would put them at much greater risk of obesity and cardiovascular disease.



Also, this is a response to someone else, but it goes to a point I made earlier which, apparently, you are too smart to comprehend.


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So yes, we differ wildly in our definition of logic. And because you cannot follow my line of reasoning this does not automatically mean that my reasoning is "wanting". When I say that if a system promotes moral behavior then I consider it a moral system. Conversely, if a system produces immoral behavior, say, for example, Communism, then it is an immoral system. Or "evil" as Reagan so famously proclaimed. That line of reasoning is crystal clear to me. You may not agree, and/or don't accept the premises, but to proclaim it is lacking a measured analytical approach is just pretense. I mean, seriously, we've had discussions before. You think I just pull this stuff out of thin air? That I've never had this discussion before? That I'm not thought through? That I haven't spent a life time pondering the great issues of life?



This only makes sense as a hard-and-fast rule when you are absurdly selective about what you consider moral behavior. You can find immoral behavior produced by any social system. You are just willing to gloss over what doesn't fit your agenda and highlight whatever suits it, which shows your complete lack of logic in the matter.



 


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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #235 on: January 11, 2016, 07:52:26 AM »
Scary? Why?

This a perfect example of how different perspectives and propaganda
as well as a misunderstanding or unawareness that with all of life there are trade offs. For example, that fat, and absolutely essentially macro nutrient, is inherently bad and makes food junk (french fries compared to potatoes).

Another is that preservatives are a bad thing. Really? Compared to what? Compared to having rotten or insect infected food? It would be different (but not completely) if we each grew our own vegetables in our back yard and slay our meat and dress with our own hands. But the fact is our food is grown and raised in huge quantities and trucked, shipped and flown from across the nation and the world.
Impossible without insecticides and preservatives and why I consider a food that does not spoil a good thing. You think it's scary that a McDonald's burger doesn't rot. I think rotten food is scary as well as gross.

In an ideal world, I would always prefer a fresh burger made with freshly picked lettuce, freshly baked bread, and beef grounded from a cow in my backyard that was alive just an hour ago. But in real life if my choice is between a rotten burger that's been sitting for 3 days or one that's been sitting for 3 days full of preservatives but just 30 seconds in the micro and it's just like new.

Life is full of trade offs.
 
I agree with this post. There is a reason why the life expectancy has jumped 30+ years. The availability of clean drinking water, The advances in medicine, and the advent of "processed" and properly cooked foods.

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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #236 on: January 11, 2016, 08:59:09 AM »
Because it doesn't decompose.
Organic or natural food will start to decompose very soon.
Microorganisms will form or other organisms will get attracted to it and help decomposing.
This "food" gets avoided even by stupid microorganisms LOL.
Although my thoughts were more like "fuck, is it plastic or some shit?"
And i remembered Duchemin and Tricatel of the movie "The Wing or the Thigh" : )

Uh, you can do that with ANY food .  Doesn't matter what it is.

The Burger Lab: Revisiting the Myth of The 12-Year Old McDonald's Burger That Just Won't Rot (Testing Results!)
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A few weeks back, I started an experiment designed to prove or disprove whether or not the magic, non-decomposing McDonald's hamburgers that have been making their way around the internet are indeed worthy of disgust or even interest.

By way of introduction, allow myself to quote myself. This is from myprevious article:

    Back in 2008, Karen Hanrahan, of the blog Best of Mother Earth posted a picture of a hamburger that she uses as a prop for a class she teaches on how to help parents keep their children away from junk food... The hamburger she's been using as a prop is the same plain McDonald's hamburger she's been using for what's now going on 14 years. It looks pretty much identical to how it did the day she bought it, and she's not had to use any means of preservation. The burger travels with her, and sits at room temperature.

    Now Karen is neither the first nor last to document this very same phenomenon. Artist Sally Davies photographs her 137 day-old hamburger every day for her Happy Meal Art Project. Nonna Joann has chosen to store her happy meal for a year on her blog rather than feed it to her kids. Dozens of other examples exist, and most of them come to the same conclusion: McDonald's hamburgers don't rot.

The problem with coming to that conclusion, of course, is that if you are a believer in science (and I certainly hope you are!), in order to make a conclusion, you must first start with a few observable premises as a starting point with which you form a theorem, followed by a reasonably rigorous experiment with controls built in place to verify the validity of that theorem.

Thus far, I haven't located a single source that treats this McDonald's hamburger phenomenon in this fashion. Instead, most rely on speculation, specious reasoning, and downright obtuseness to arrive at the conclusion that a McDonald's burger "is a chemical food[, with] absolutely no nutrition."

As I said before, that kind of conclusion is both sensationalistic and specious, and has no place in any of the respectable academic circles which A Hamburger Today would like to consider itself an upstanding member of.
The Theory Behind the Burger

Things we know so far:

    A plain McDonald's Hamburger, when left out in the open air, does not mold or decompose.
    In order for mold to grow, a few things need to be present: mold spores, air, moisture, and a reasonably hospitable climate

Given those two facts, there are a number of theories as to why a McDonald's burger might not rot:

    There is some kind of chemical preservative in the beef and/or bun and/or the wrapping that is not found in a normal burger and/or bun that creates an inhospitable environment for mold to grow.
    The high salt level of a McDonald's burger is preventing the burger from rotting.
    The small size of a McDonald's hamburger is allowing it to dehydrate fast enough that there is not enough moisture present for mold to grow
    There are no mold spores present on McDonald's hamburgers, nor in the air in and around where the burgers were stored.
    There is no air in the the environment where the McDonald's hamburgers were stored

    There's mold everywhere.

Of these theories, we can immediately eliminate 5, for reasons too obvious to enumerate. As for number 4, it's probably true that there are no live molds on a hamburger when you first receive it, as they are cooked on an extremely hot griddle from both sides to an internal temperature of at least 165°F—hot enough to destroy any mold. But in the air where they were stored? Most likely there's mold present. There's mold everywhere.

Theory 1 is the one most often concluded in the various blogs out there, but there doesn't seem to be strong evidence one way or the other. If we are to believe packaging and nutrition labeling (and I see no reason not to), there are preservatives in a McDonald's bun, but no more than in your average loaf of bread from the supermarket. A regular loaf of supermarket bread certainly rots, so why not the McD's? Their beef is also (according to them) 100% ground beef, so nothing funny going on there, is there?

In order for any test to be considered valid, you need to include a control. Something in which you already know whether or not the variable being tested is present.

In the case of these burgers, that means testing a McDonald's burger against a burger that is absolutely known not to contain anything but beef. The only way to do this, of course, is to cook it myself from natural beef ground at home.



I decided to design a series of tests in order to ascertain the likeliness of each one of these separate scenarios (with the exception of the no-air theory, which frankly, doesn't hold wind—get it?). Here's what I had in mind:

    Sample 1: A plain McDonald's hamburger stored on a plate in the open air outside of its wrapper.
    Sample 2: A plain burger made from home-ground fresh all-natural chuck of the exact dimensions as the McDonald's burger, on a standard store-bought toasted bun.
    Sample 3: A plain burger with a home-ground patty, but a McDonald's bun.
    Sample 4: A plain burger with a McDonald's patty on a store-bought bun.*
    Sample 5: A plain McDonald's burger stored in its original packaging.
    Sample 6: A plain McDonald's burger made without any salt, stored in the open air.
    Sample 7: A plain McDonald's Quarter Pounder, stored in the open air.
    Sample 8: A homemade burger the exact dimension of a McDonald's Quarter Pounder.
    Sample 9:A plain McDonald's Angus Third Pounder, stored in the open air

*To read about the fascinating manner in which I procured these plain patties, please refer to the original post.

You may notice that my protocols have been slightly expanded since I first laid them out to you a few weeks ago. That's due to several good ideas in the comments section which I incorporated into my testing the day after the initial publication.



Every day, I monitored the progress of the burgers, weighing each one, and carefully checking for spots of mold growth or other indications of decay. The burgers were left in the open air, but handled only with clean kitchen tools or through clean plastic bags (no direct contact with my hands until the last day).

At this point, it's been 25 days, 23 calm, cool, and collected discussions with my wife about whether that smell in the apartment is coming from the burgers or from the dog, and 16 nights spent sleeping on the couch in the aftermath of those calm, cool, and collected discussions. Asides from my mother, my wife is the fiercest discusser I know.

Frankly, I'm glad this damn experiment is over. On to the results.
The Results

Well, well, well. Turns out that not only did the regular McDonald's burgers not rot, but the home-ground burgers did not rot either. Samples one through five had shrunk a bit (especially the beef patties), but they showed no signs of decomposition. What does this mean?

It means that there's nothing that strange about a McDonald's burger not rotting. Any burger of the same shape will act the same way. The real question is, why?

Well, here's another piece of evidence: Burger number 6, made with no salt, did not rot either, indicating that the salt level has nothing to do with it.

And then we get to the burgers that did show some signs of decay.

Take a look at both the homemade and the McDonald's Quarter Pounder patties:


Very interesting indeed. Sure, there's a slight difference in the actual amount of mold grown, and the homemade patty on the right seems to have shrunk more than the actual Quarter Pounder on the left (I blame that mostly on the way the patties were formed), but on the whole, the results are remarkably similar. That a Quarter Pounder grows mold but a regular-sized McDonald's burger doesn't is some pretty strong evidence in support of Theory 3 from above. Because of the larger size of a Quarter Pounder, it simply takes longer to dehydrate, giving mold more of a chance to grow.

We can prove this by examining the weight charts between the regular burger and the Quarter Pounder. Take a look:


This chart represents the amount of weight lost from the burgers through evaporation every day (both starting weights have been normalized to 1). As you can see, by the end of 2 weeks, both the regular burgers and the Quarter Pounders ended up losing about 31% of their total weight and are pretty much stable. They are essentially burger-jerky. A completely dehydrated product that will never rot, as without moisture, nothing can survive.

    93% of the moisture loss in a regular burger occurs within the first three days

Now the interesting part of the charts is during the first 4 days. As you can see, the blue line representing the regular burger dips down much more precipitously than the red line representing the Quarter Pounder. In fact, 93% of the moisture loss in a regular burger occurs within the first three days, which means that unless mold gets a chance to grow within that time frame, it's pretty much never going to grow.

The Quarter Pounder, on the other hand, takes a full 7 days to dehydrate to the same degree. It's during this extra three day period that the mold growth began to appear (and of course, once the burger had dehydrated sufficiently, the mold growth stopped—the burger looked the same on day 14 as they did on day 7). For the record, the Angus Third Pounder also showed a similar degree of mold growth in the same time frame.
So Can It Mold?

So we've pretty much cleared up all of the confusion, but a keen scientist will notice that one question remains to be answered. We've proven that neither a McDonald's burger nor a regular home-made burger will rot given certain specific conditions, but are there conditions we can create that will cause it to rot, and more importantly, will the McDonald's burger rot as fast as the homemade burger?

The final two burgers I tested were a McDonald's burger and a regular homemade burger of the same dimensions placed in plastic zipper-lock bags side by side. Hopefully the bag would trap in enough moisture. The question: Would they rot?



Indeed they do. Within a week, both burgers were nearly covered in little white spots of mold, eventually turning into the green and black spotted beast you see above.
The Conclusion

   how do you think beef jerky is made?

So there we have it! Pretty strong evidence in favor of Theory 3: the burger doesn't rot because it's small size and relatively large surface area help it to lose moisture very fast. Without moisture, there's no mold or bacterial growth. Of course, that the meat is pretty much sterile to begin with due to the high cooking temperature helps things along as well. It's not really surprising. Humans have known about this phenomenon for thousands of years. After all, how do you think beef jerky is made?

Now don't get me wrong—I don't have a dog in this fight either way. I really couldn't care less whether or not the McDonald's burger rotted or didn't. I don't often eat their burgers, and will continue to not often eat their burgers. My problem is not with McDonald's. My problem is with bad science.

For all of you McDonald's haters out there: Don't worry. There are still plenty of reasons to dislike the company! But for now, I hope you'll have it my way and put aside your beef with their beef.

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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #237 on: January 11, 2016, 09:04:58 AM »


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« Reply #238 on: January 11, 2016, 09:07:56 AM »
This thread is proof that any topic has the chance to become popular on Getbig.

A sale on cheeseburgers turns into 10+ pages of morality  :D

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« Reply #239 on: January 11, 2016, 10:01:15 AM »
Absolutely, positively wrong! You know I am a man of faith so how could you even think I am a proponent of moral relativism? It is anathema to all people of faith?  One of the main differences between a theist and secularist is the theist believes that there are moral absolutes. It doesn't matter how you feel about it or that this is your culture or beliefs. One of the gifts of Judeaism is the ideal of Ethical Monotheism -- one God and one moral system that applies to everybody. It doesn't matter that sacrificing a virgin is part of your culture -- it's wrong. It's murder. Murder is ALWAYS wrong. ALWAYS.

Now this is not to say, as I know you like to pick apart every trivial detail that should be common sense to the less hostile and agenda driven, that there are gradations of evil: not all acts of stealing are equal and some are worse than others. And any act, in and of itself, is morally neutral, it is the context that determines it's morality. Cutting open a man's chest can be an act of ruthless violence or a delicate surgical procedure. The difference between self defense and murder. The difference between the expression of love and rape. Same act, difference context and therefore morally different.

And I can choose to address or gloss over anything I want within the given framework, which in this case was my pleasure in the lowering of the price of McDoubles. The fact that it morphed into something I would never have imagine was not my intention. And I don't consider monetary policy to stimulate the economy or lower inflation a moral issue.

If you want to try again to pick a position on morality ie. for or against relativism that would clear things up. If morality is dependent on context it cannot be absolute. This is what will upset and confuse fine upstanding gentlemen like Al Doggity et al. It's amusing to see you contradict yourself so boldly. Thanks. That doesn't excuse your highly provocative claims. Considered tempering your sentiments. Maybe have a cup of tea prior to logging on tomorrow. 
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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #240 on: January 11, 2016, 10:03:11 AM »
Question: Why did the Halloween Happy Meals in the plastic bucket, early 90's, taste 10x better as a kid?

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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #241 on: January 11, 2016, 12:59:29 PM »
Put one of these burgers out in the sun and see if the flies will eat it.

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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #242 on: January 11, 2016, 01:07:30 PM »
Put one of these burgers out in the sun and see if the flies will eat it.
They will.  Why wouldn't they?

You can make the conditions to preserve any food if you want.


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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #243 on: January 11, 2016, 01:09:49 PM »
They will.  Why wouldn't they?

You can make the conditions to preserve any food if you want.




http://consumerist.com/2014/05/13/dont-believe-the-social-media-hype-no-mcdonalds-doesnt-use-pink-slime-in-burgers/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/guy-recipe.html

Why did  they stop?

"After years of trying to break America, Jamie Oliver has finally made his mark by persuading one of the biggest U.S fast food chains in the world to change their burger recipe. 


McDonald's have altered the ingredients after the Naked Chef forced them to remove a processed food type that he labelled 'pink slime'.

The food activist was shocked when he learned that ammonium hydroxide was being used by McDonald's to convert fatty beef offcuts into a beef filler for its burgers in the USA.

The filler product made headlines after he denounced it on his show, Jamie Oliver’s Food Revolution.


'Basically, we’re taking a product that would be sold at the cheapest form for dogs and after this process we can give it to humans' said the TV chef.


Jamie showed American audiences the raw 'pink slime' produced in the ammonium hydroxide process used by producers named Beef Products Inc (BPI).

'Pink slime' has never been used in McDonald's beef patties in the UK and Ireland which source their meat from farmers within the two countries.

Now after months of campaigning on his hit US television show McDonald's have admitted defeat and the fast food giant has abandoned the beef filler from its burger patties.

US Department of Agriculture microbiologist Geral Zirnstein agreed with Jamie that ammonium hydroxide  agent should be banned."


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/guy-recipe.html#ixzz3wyMHuoQU
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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #244 on: January 11, 2016, 01:14:10 PM »

http://consumerist.com/2014/05/13/dont-believe-the-social-media-hype-no-mcdonalds-doesnt-use-pink-slime-in-burgers/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/guy-recipe.html

Why did  they stop?

"After years of trying to break America, Jamie Oliver has finally made his mark by persuading one of the biggest U.S fast food chains in the world to change their burger recipe. 


McDonald's have altered the ingredients after the Naked Chef forced them to remove a processed food type that he labelled 'pink slime'.

The food activist was shocked when he learned that ammonium hydroxide was being used by McDonald's to convert fatty beef offcuts into a beef filler for its burgers in the USA.

The filler product made headlines after he denounced it on his show, Jamie Oliver’s Food Revolution.


'Basically, we’re taking a product that would be sold at the cheapest form for dogs and after this process we can give it to humans' said the TV chef.


Jamie showed American audiences the raw 'pink slime' produced in the ammonium hydroxide process used by producers named Beef Products Inc (BPI).

'Pink slime' has never been used in McDonald's beef patties in the UK and Ireland which source their meat from farmers within the two countries.

Now after months of campaigning on his hit US television show McDonald's have admitted defeat and the fast food giant has abandoned the beef filler from its burger patties.

US Department of Agriculture microbiologist Geral Zirnstein agreed with Jamie that ammonium hydroxide  agent should be banned."


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/guy-recipe.html#ixzz3wyMHuoQU
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook



This is not true though.

The burgers have never been "pink slime".

The McNuggets used to be, but they changed that.


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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #245 on: January 11, 2016, 01:16:57 PM »
This is not true though.

The burgers have never been "pink slime".

The McNuggets used to be, but they changed that.



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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #246 on: January 11, 2016, 01:18:17 PM »

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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #248 on: January 11, 2016, 01:26:58 PM »
You need to get your facts straight.

http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/your_questions/our_food/have-you-ever-used-pink-slime-in-your-burgers.html

Mechanically separated poultry (MSP) is a paste-like and batter-like poultry product produced by forcing bones, with attached edible tissue, through a sieve or similar device under high pressure to separate bone from the edible tissue. Mechanically separated poultry has been used in poultry products since the late 1960's. In 1995, a final rule on mechanically separated poultry said it was safe and could be used without restrictions. However, it must be labeled as "mechanically separated chicken or turkey" in the product's ingredients statement. The final rule became effective November 4, 1996. Hot dogs can contain any amount of mechanically separated chicken or turkey.

Finely textured beef isn't "Pink Slime"

MSP is Pink Slime.

One is not finely textured and is a paste substance.

Perhaps it's the definition that needs to be amended.

My facts are accurate.

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Re: Yay! McDoubles are back to a dollar each!
« Reply #249 on: January 11, 2016, 01:28:11 PM »
http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/your_questions/our_food/do-you-use-so-called-pink-goop-in-your-chicken-mcnuggets.html



No, our Chicken McNuggets do not contain what some people call 'pink slime' or 'pink goop.'

We've seen the photo of 'pink goop' or "pink slime" in association with McDonald's. Let's set the record straight: this image in connection with McDonald's is a myth. In fact, we don't know where it came from, but it's not our food. The photo is not a representation of how we create our Chicken McNuggets, or for that matter, any item on our menu.

Each and every one of our Chicken McNuggets are made with USDA inspected boneless white meat chicken — cut from the chicken breast, tenderloins and rib meat.

Still curious about what's in a Chicken McNugget? See all of its ingredients.



So their "white meat" chicken nuggets are made from parital rib meat??? So their chicken nuggets are not all breast meat but they are white meat? OK so I'm guessing they a\can legally call them white meat as long as they are white inside. Hmmmm I wonder how they turn all the meat white?