Surgery in modern bodybuilding.

[240 is Back]

Are these guys getting surgery to remove a few feet of intestine, in order to reduce the appearance of a gh/roid gut?

And the reason that guys like Frank Roberson get this botchjob and guys like Coleman don't- that means Ronnie can afford better doctors?

Kovacs had a botched belly job a few years back.  How many of these guys are doing this, when they say they "managed to get their belly under control this year"?



I know overweightsoccer moms get stomach staples left and right these days.  Internal surgery is becoming less and less complicated and intrusive, and that's just for women who drive minivans.

I bet that someone on magazine covers who competes for a living- with a gear budget of 5k-10k+, could afford to have a few feet of swollen large intestine removed to reduce that waistline.

Sounds like something to do in Dec-March, when all the guys suddenly lose 50 pounds. Hmmmm

[Childish///AMG]

I work in the "OR" and I honestly have never thought of this as a way to
transform one's body for bodybuilding. But I am sure that it happens.
I would never have surgery unless it was life or death. But hey, some people are willing to take the risk

[ieffinhatecardio]

Internal surgery is becoming less and less complicated and intrusive, and that's just for women who drive minivans.

I bet that someone on magazine covers who competes for a living- with a gear budget of 5k-10k+, could afford to have a few feet of swollen large intestine removed to reduce that waistline.

Sounds like something to do in Dec-March, when all the guys suddenly lose 50 pounds. Hmmmm

Something tells me that having "a few feet of swollen large intestine removed" is VERY intrusive. I might be wrong though.

By the way, the thought of it is rather sickening. Kind of like when you see a video of a skateboarder riding on a railing and he falls and lands balls first on the railing, it's cringeworthy.

[240 is Back]

Something tells me that having "a few feet of swollen large intestine removed" is VERY intrusive. I might be wrong though.

Yeah, I'm no internist.  I know the tummy staple is more and more common.  I'm sure the intestine reduction is more intrusive, but many do it for cancer when it is found. I'm sure that someone like Coleman or Gustavo or particularly Gunter (who fell off the trianing map for 5 months, then returned with a new waistline) could afford the cost tho- if WEIDER wasn't willing to pay for it FOR them (Bellies don't sell magazines).

I'm surprised more people haven't brought this up.  This thread was deleted when first posted- I have no clue why.  I'm serious and this is interesting, and definitely worthy of this board.

[Havenbull]

if its get deleted, then keep posting it.

Its interesting indeed

[DEFCON]

I have thought about this subject before. botched belly jobs hahahah

[240 is Back]

If anyone can find any more pics of what could be scars from abdominal surgery, please post em!  It'd be interesting to unravel a little bit of the mystery. 

[theworm]

That would be extreme.  The scar he has can be from almost any abd surgery.  Maybe he had a polyp that had cancer, or UC or Chrons disease and had a part removed.  Maybe he was shot and had emergency surgery.  Flex has the same scar (kidney transplant).  Black people have more kidney disease, he probably had one removed or something like that. 
I do not know any doctors that would do such invasive surgery to 'reduce the gut.'  Way too many complications, the worst being abd strictures/adhesions (worst pain ever, and would need repeat surgery). 
Whenever a kid with UC/Chrons has surgery on their gut, its all downhill from there...constantly having to go back for repeat surgery.  Best option:  quit the GH and slin.  Makes people look worse than anything else.

[nicorulez]

240, no mystery man.  He had surgery for god knows what.  Maybe he had a ventral peri-umbilical hernia from squatting too heavy and the surgeon was not overly concerned with remaking an umbilicus.  He could have had an exploratory lap, kinda of like Farrah did after he was shot.  Regradless, a surgeon under no circumstance would resect functioning colon so a dude could look thinner.  The financial implications from litigation are too high and it is against the hippocratic oath.  Liposuction and bariatric surgery with stomach stapling, banding or partial gastrectomy with a Roux-en- Y procedure are being used for morbidly obese patient.  Well, that is all. Got to go back to work.  Later.  You guys are great with the conspiracy theories...crack me up.  I love this board.

[ieffinhatecardio]

it is against the hippocratic oath

Tell that to Michael Jackson and any of a thousand other nutjobs that have taken surgery way too far in the name of vanity, or did they not have doctors perform the work for them?

[Dan-O]

Roberson's had that scar since his amateur days.

I used to joke on here about getting a few feet of intestines removed to reduce the effects of GH, but it was just that--a joke.

Nicorulez made a good point--no surgeon in his right mind would do such an invasive surgery on a functioning colon for purely cosmetic purposes.

[Hedgehog]

Are these guys getting surgery to remove a few feet of intestine, in order to reduce the appearance of a gh/roid gut?

And the reason that guys like Frank Roberson get this botchjob and guys like Coleman don't- that means Ronnie can afford better doctors?

Kovacs had a botched belly job a few years back.  How many of these guys are doing this, when they say they "managed to get their belly under control this year"?



I know overweightsoccer moms get stomach staples left and right these days.  Internal surgery is becoming less and less complicated and intrusive, and that's just for women who drive minivans.

I bet that someone on magazine covers who competes for a living- with a gear budget of 5k-10k+, could afford to have a few feet of swollen large intestine removed to reduce that waistline.

Sounds like something to do in Dec-March, when all the guys suddenly lose 50 pounds. Hmmmm

Removing a "few feet of intestines".

Why do you think we have intestines?

YIP
Zack

PS
This has got to be one of the most idiotic theories I have ever, EVER, come across.

If there is a god, may he have mercy on your soul for doing this to the rest of us.

[drkaje]

240,

What that type of surgery would entail is too risky for both parties involved. Do you really think a guy would suffer through using a colostomy bag to solve a GH-gut?

[240 is Back]

I used to joke on here about getting a few feet of intestines removed to reduce the effects of GH, but it was just that--a joke.

Nicorulez made a good point--no surgeon in his right mind would do such an invasive surgery on a functioning colon for purely cosmetic purposes.

It does seem extreme, but it can't be far off if not in use today.  I know any US doctor would face litigation if something went wrong... but worldwide, there are docs that would do anything for a paycheck, and the right liability disclaimer might get them to do the operation.

[the_doc]

240, this has to be one of the best conspiracies yet. Seriously though, it's an interesting point.
 "Black people have more kidney disease, he probably had one removed or something like that." what abrilliant insight from the worm. He just a kidney whipped out and was back on stage the next day. Only joking worm, it's just so funny how you made a kidney resection sound so trivial, sorry for being a smart ass.
Back to 240's qs. I seriously doubt any aesthetic advantage would make up for the systemic effects of a bowel resection. ABB would have difficulty eating all that food and gaining weight. (George Farah is somewhat of a medical miracle.) Also Nicorulez is correct that no decent Surgeon would remove healthy colon for cosmetic reasons.The BB in the pic may have had an umbilical hernia repaired(those outie bellybuttons that are often talked about here-JP Fux i think has a great example) Intersting theory though.
The Doc  

[paul84]

Have any of you ever seen an operation where they resect rotting intestine?  I sat in on one once and it was pretty horrific.  The smell was atrocious.  Nurses were throwing up, etc.  I knew from that day on, I would never go into gastrointestinal surgery...

[240 is Back]

I never accused anyone, or made the statement that it was happening. I just posed a provocative question to get some opinions.  

At the rate of gH guts, ten years from now, athletes will have to take a new extreme to avoid that barrel belly look.

Hedge, I'm not a scientist lol... I just wondered aloud if stomach staples were more and more commonplace, if a way to remove some of that pesky torso bulk existed through surgery, would some of these top guys do it?  It's obvious they're willing to pop or shoot anything to get big, despite bone growth and organ failure... If someone could do it to achieve superhero proportions, one of these crazy fellas might consider it...

[Dan-O]

I never accused anyone, or made the statement that it was happening. I just posed a provocative question to get some opinions.  

At the rate of gH guts, ten years from now, athletes will have to take a new extreme to avoid that barrel belly look.

Hedge, I'm not a scientist lol... I just wondered aloud if stomach staples were more and more commonplace, if a way to remove some of that pesky torso bulk existed through surgery, would some of these top guys do it?  It's obvious they're willing to pop or shoot anything to get big, despite bone growth and organ failure... If someone could do it to achieve superhero proportions, one of these crazy fellas might consider it...

Well having such a surgery would really be self-defeating for a bodybuilder, as hedgehog pointed out, since their colons are largely what helped them get to be the size they are and getting rid of some of said colon could have serious health implications.

But you are correct in pointing out that many other modern-day BB practices could also be said to be self-defeating in the long run, even if not immediately obvious in the short term.

[ether]

My god you are a moron.

1) No surgeon with any morals or any idea of keeping his/her liscence to practice medicine would perform an "elective" small bowel resection.

2) Unlike the bodybuilding community, doctors are held to a higher standard of ethics and morals. Say what you will, but an elective small bowel resection if proved in court would result in medical malpractice without fail.

3) One does not simply resect a few feet of small bowel and then hop on stage and pose you moron, it is an arduous recovery process which often requires bouts of parenteral (IV) nutrition and repeat surgeries.

4) The incision is not large enough to perform a small bowel resection, and this procedure can not be done laparascopically at present. There are some minimally invasive small bowel resections being done experimentally, but not mainstream at this point.

5) This is probably due to an umbilical hernia repair.

[the_doc]

Ether, are you an M.D. or just well informed. I agree with all your points but incase you are a DOC/Med student and have an interest in G.I. surgery, small and large bowel resections are eprformed in several centre's now from the Mayo clinic to little old Ireland!
regards,
the Doc

[nicorulez]

The_doc, I am an MD (although I take care of Tom Prince types...nephrology or kidney specialist).  I think it is safe to say that Ether is a physician or resident physician.  The average joe would not even begin to know where to look regarding IV parenteral nutrition.  He sounds more informed than a student, and I would wager he is a surgeon.

[ether]

Yep I'm an MD

Sure, bowel resections are extremely common nowadays, but surely not done on an elective basis....that is just lunacy. I was speaking about doing bowel resections with MIS (minimally invasive surgery)...that is extremely cool stuff.

And, I have attended, assisted with many bowel resections for ischemic/necrotic bowel and the smell has to be the worst thing ever!!!!

Can you believe the other thread about veins and arteries...OH BROTHER!

[Laura Lee]

Are these guys getting surgery to remove a few feet of intestine, in order to reduce the appearance of a gh/roid gut?

And the reason that guys like Frank Roberson get this botchjob and guys like Coleman don't- that means Ronnie can afford better doctors?

Kovacs had a botched belly job a few years back.  How many of these guys are doing this, when they say they "managed to get their belly under control this year"?

I know overweightsoccer moms get stomach staples left and right these days.  Internal surgery is becoming less and less complicated and intrusive, and that's just for women who drive minivans.

I bet that someone on magazine covers who competes for a living- with a gear budget of 5k-10k+, could afford to have a few feet of swollen large intestine removed to reduce that waistline.

Sounds like something to do in Dec-March, when all the guys suddenly lose 50 pounds. Hmmmm

Having your stomach stapled and having intestine removed have completely different results.  Also, they don't remove your bellybutton when you have intestine removed.  I know this because my aunt had some removed.  And most who have "feet" of intestine removed as you suggest for loss of the distended look, have to wear colostomy bags. 

[240 is Back]

Again, I'm no internist.  I assume they wouldn't mess with the colon/rectum or the stomach- just pull a couple of feet out of the middle of the large intestine and restitch. 

Complex, disgusting, and unrealistic? yes.  Do-able with advances in medicine? Maybe.

But 20 years ago, the thought of taking a shot that would grow your skull and organs, just to win a trophy, would have been unrealistic and taboo also.  And here we are.





-Special "A Galileo for our Generation" Rob

[Havenbull]

My god you are a moron.

1) No surgeon with any morals or any idea of keeping his/her liscence to practice medicine would perform an "elective" small bowel resection.

True no surgeon in the US