Fat and insulin

[oni]

May as well but this one to bed as well. Eating fat while using insulin
Dieted from 84kg down to 74kg, then ate my way back up to 80kg, used insulin the entire time in these 3 months

Shot of rapid insulin in the morning, 10ui, 2 scoops of protein and 2 scoops of sugar and 30g fat from coconut / olive oil. Sipped over 3 hours.
Lunch at work is usually a chicken burger with bacon / mayo and a bottle of Fanta
Shot of 15ui insulin, drink 500ml of milk and drive to the gym, drink another 100g of sugar as I train
Finish training, shoot another 10ui and drive home then eat 500g of beef sausage and some rice

Amounts differed depending on if I was gaining or losing but I aimed for 0.5kg gain or loss either way.
This was only on training days but that's 4 days a week
Dexa scan showed net negative on all types of fat in the body

[chetanbarokar]

This goes against all the wisdom of "you should not eat fat when slin is active coz it will shuttle fat too in the cell".
Glad to read this.
May I ask gear usage when you gained those 6kgs?

[Jizmo]

well, insulin facilitates fat storage. doesnt mean youll store all the fat you eat while on it. plus you relied on MCT fats, which are not as easily stored.
personally i eat zero fats while the insulin is active. its effects on lipid metabolism are gone within 2-3 hours. why not just eat some fat later?...

wonder what your results wouldve been if you didnt have the fats with it.

[oni]

well, insulin facilitates fat storage. doesnt mean youll store all the fat you eat while on it. plus you relied on MCT fats, which are not as easily stored.
personally i eat zero fats while the insulin is active. its effects on lipid metabolism are gone within 2-3 hours. why not just eat some fat later?...

wonder what your results wouldve been if you didnt have the fats with it.

yeah this is a good point as well, but I'm still happy with how it's going

[Weedlejuice]

May as well but this one to bed as well. Eating fat while using insulin
Dieted from 84kg down to 74kg, then ate my way back up to 80kg, used insulin the entire time in these 3 months

Shot of rapid insulin in the morning, 10ui, 2 scoops of protein and 2 scoops of sugar and 30g fat from coconut / olive oil. Sipped over 3 hours.
Lunch at work is usually a chicken burger with bacon / mayo and a bottle of Fanta
Shot of 15ui insulin, drink 500ml of milk and drive to the gym, drink another 100g of sugar as I train
Finish training, shoot another 10ui and drive home then eat 500g of beef sausage and some rice

Amounts differed depending on if I was gaining or losing but I aimed for 0.5kg gain or loss either way.
This was only on training days but that's 4 days a week
Dexa scan showed net negative on all types of fat in the body

The problem with massive amounts of insulin means massive amounts of carbohydrate, excess carbohydrate is stored as fat.

You need to find your threshold to get away with the lowest amount of carbs possible per iu, triglycerides are stored in muscle cells but at the same time i wouldn't take the piss with fat either seeing as that insulin is going to drag the other macronutrients along with it into cell's and you will over flow into fat storage.

Insulin is only anabolic post training by the way and exhibits an anti catabolic effect for the most part any other time of the day.

Tldr stick to high doses of faster acting insulin around training preferably post and the meal 60 - 90 mins afterwards use the least amount of carbs you possibly can without killing yourself don't add fat but don't purposely exclude it either, obviously using high doses of gh and thyroid,fat burning drugs will stave off the belly aswell.

Personally i think the belly's and visceral fat problem stems from gorging on carbs using this type of protocol due to the "fuck it im on so much gh etc it doesnt matter how many carbs i eat approach"  

Should only be used as the atom bomb of filling out and maximising size shortly before cutting imo, reintroduce it again sparingly through prep and just to carb up for the show, again sparingly.

[OTHstrong]

everyone here is wrong

YOU GUYS JUST DONT GET IT.

Pro's start steroids at 16 years old, gh at 19 and slin at 21 by the time they turn pro between 25 and 30 they still do not have a belly. Visceral fat within the muscle cell is not something dramatic or something that can be measured, it comes in 8+ years of slin abuse and the only culprit is fat intake, nothing else will produce it, no fat intake = no visceral fat even in 20 years, PERIOD. Don't eat fats on slin, simple rule. Stop trying to change shit up

[oni]

everyone here is wrong

YOU GUYS JUST DONT GET IT.

Pro's start steroids at 16 years old, gh at 19 and slin at 21 by the time they turn pro between 25 and 30 they still do not have a belly. Visceral fat within the muscle cell is not something dramatic or something that can be measured, it comes in 8+ years of slin abuse and the only culprit is fat intake, nothing else will produce it, no fat intake = no visceral fat even in 20 years, PERIOD. Don't eat fats on slin, simple rule. Stop trying to change shit up

They are using huge doses
My point is mainly that recreational athletes should just eat normally and not worry about it as long as they are eating a strict diet

[OTHstrong]

They are using huge doses
My point is mainly that recreational athletes should just eat normally and not worry about it as long as they are eating a strict diet

true....
 but not devote hardcore bodybuilders in for the long run