seeking some advices

[dj181]

just put in an order for sust and deca and i'm trying to put together a plan on how to run them

i was running sust only @ 875 mg per week and i've got about 4 options in mind

1. sust 700/deca 560

2. sust 350/deca 560

3. sust 700/deca 280

4. sust 350/deca 280

and i'm heavily leaning toward option 2 ie. a lower test dose and a higher anabolic dose, any thought/opinions on that?

it seems that the vast majority recommend running deca anywhere btw 200-600 per week

[local hero]

Isn't sust 250mg,

500mg sust to 400 Decca

750 sust to 600 Decca, so on and so forth....

[equipoise]

just put in an order for sust and deca and i'm trying to put together a plan on how to run them

i was running sust only @ 875 mg per week and i've got about 4 options in mind

1. sust 700/deca 560

2. sust 350/deca 560

3. sust 700/deca 280

4. sust 350/deca 280

and i'm heavily leaning toward option 2 ie. a lower test dose and a higher anabolic dose, any thought/opinions on that?

it seems that the vast majority recommend running deca anywhere btw 200-600 per week

Like gh15 said I find sex drive is negatively affected with lower test higher anabolics. Can still get it up sufficiently, cum, etc. without viagra/cialis but feeling is not the same as compared to when the test is higher. But lower test has less sides

[dj181]

Isn't sust 250mg,

500mg sust to 400 Decca

750 sust to 600 Decca, so on and so forth....

yep it is, but i'll inject every 5 days hence the different numbers

500 sust every 5 days=700 per week

250 sust every 5 days=350 per week etc

Like gh15 said I find sex drive is negatively affected with lower test higher anabolics. Can still get it up sufficiently, cum, etc. without viagra/cialis but feeling is not the same as compared to when the test is higher. But lower test has less sides

less sides is why i'm leaning that way, plus deca has a higher anabolic rating than test and it's supposedly "safer and milder" than test, so why not run it higher?

[CalvinH]

Why ask advice when you never listen?

[equipoise]

yep it is, but i'll inject every 5 days hence the different numbers

500 sust every 5 days=700 per week

250 sust every 5 days=350 per week etc

less sides is why i'm leaning that way, plus deca has a higher anabolic rating than test and it's supposedly "safer and milder" than test, so why not run it higher?

nah i think deca is worse tbh. I only use it because it has less cosmetic sides. But internally its implicated in heart enlargement, shown to damage arteries 11x more than testosterone etc. IMO you should blast with NPP so its in and out of your system faster

[KLEINE]

500 mg sust
400 mg deca
1mg arimidex EOD

[dj181]

nah i think deca is worse tbh. I only use it because it has less cosmetic sides. But internally its implicated in heart enlargement, shown to damage arteries 11x more than testosterone etc. IMO you should blast with NPP so its in and out of your system faster

interesting

i keep reading about deca's supposed immune system building abilities with aids patients so that makes it sound more healthy, it also supposedly lowers HDL

and if it is more anabolic and a better lean mass builder than test then it makes sense to run it higher to take advantage of that

[Jizmo]

interesting

i keep reading about deca's supposed immune system building abilities with aids patients so that makes it sound more healthy, it also supposedly lowers HDL

and if it is more anabolic and a better lean mass builder than test then it makes sense to run it higher to take advantage of that

 

[dj181]

so are you saying that it's all propaganda to buy more deca 

actually there are maybe 10 different pages that say this, and they aren't from the same source so it seems to have some merit, unless they are all incohoots with each other 

i found another one which was a clinical study and it said that 100 mg of deca added more lean tissue than 100 mg of test (hence it's more anabolic/muscle building) but once they dosed it @ 300 mg of each the test added more lean tissue

[Jizmo]

yeah i think ive seen studies comparing deca to test and i think up to 600mg or as you say 300mg one of them was more potent but after that the other one became more potent lean mass wise
i cant remember which one was "better" though lol, i think the study was on ergo log.

the immune boosting thing is bullshit imo... aids patients suffer from muscle atrophy. basically low dosing steroids helps them not to lose as much muscle (without significant sides), which in turn makes them "healthier".
muscle wasting is a disease which can be treated with AAS (or GH), but deca is far from an "immune system booster" or "healthy"

[dj181]

yeah i think ive seen studies comparing deca to test and i think up to 600mg or as you say 300mg one of them was more potent but after that the other one became more potent lean mass wise
i cant remember which one was "better" though lol, i think the study was on ergo log.

the immune boosting thing is bullshit imo... aids patients suffer from muscle atrophy. basically low dosing steroids helps them not to lose as much muscle (without significant sides), which in turn makes them "healthier".
muscle wasting is a disease which can be treated with AAS (or GH), but deca is far from an "immune system booster" or "healthy"

makes sense, if it boosted the immune system on the normal average guy then we'd be on to something

but what about the claim that it lowers HDL? imho roids fuck your heart more than your liver, even orals (liver damage from orals is vastly over-rated imo, but heart risks sure as hell ain't, and they are at risk on injects and orals)

[Jizmo]

every AAS in supraphysiological dosages lowers HDL. higher androgens are the worst imo, especially tren
thats not a good thing...

my HDL is single digits so i know what the fk im talking about 

high HDL = good
high LDL = potentially bad (depends on the type of LDL, theres more than that)

[d0nny2600]

Why ask advice when you never listen?

Autism

[dj181]

Autism

correction, narcissism 

[equipoise]

interesting

i keep reading about deca's supposed immune system building abilities with aids patients so that makes it sound more healthy, it also supposedly lowers HDL

and if it is more anabolic and a better lean mass builder than test then it makes sense to run it higher to take advantage of that

immune system building LOL delusion at it's finest: just admit you're harming yourself dude. By the way testosterone actually weakens the immune system.

[Mad-scientist]

every AAS in supraphysiological dosages lowers HDL. higher androgens are the worst imo, especially tren
thats not a good thing...

my HDL is single digits so i know what the fk im talking about 

high HDL = good
high LDL = potentially bad (depends on the type of LDL, theres more than that)

Dude doesn't that scare you to have your hdl so low? Do you worry about heart problems when your cholesterol is that bad? I'm not trying to be rude im just curious because you seem not to be worried about your cholesterol. Does your total cholesterol ever get really high?

[Jizmo]

Dude doesn't that scare you to have your hdl so low? Do you worry about heart problems when your cholesterol is that bad? I'm not trying to be rude im just curious because you seem not to be worried about your cholesterol. Does your total cholesterol ever get really high?

nah, my LDL is pretty low too.. after reading into the whole cholesterol debate extensively im fairly convinced that an out of whack cholesterol ratio only poses a threat to your cardiovascular system if other factors are screwed too: blood pressure, blood glucose levels, insulin sensitivity, systemic inflammation, triglycerides
they all work "synergistically" with regards to cardiovascular disease... HDL is the only number thats out of whack for me (i admit, my blood pressure is on the high side, but not dangerously high)

[dj181]

immune system building LOL delusion at it's finest: just admit you're harming yourself dude. By the way testosterone actually weakens the immune system.

oh shit! you figured out my trolling

i am delusional in this sense that i try and tell myself that i'm taking roids partly for health benefits LOL

but some are more harmful than others (and this is true even you factor in the correct effective dose for each compound)

supposedly the "healthiest" effective cycle, ie, one that can give you steady gains, is 500 mg primo and 300 mg deca, or is it 50 mg drol ed and 350 mg tren ace 

nah, my LDL is pretty low too.. after reading into the whole cholesterol debate extensively im fairly convinced that an out of whack cholesterol ratio only poses a threat to your cardiovascular system if other factors are screwed too: blood pressure, blood glucose levels, insulin sensitivity, systemic inflammation, triglycerides
they all work "synergistically" with regards to cardiovascular disease... HDL is the only number thats out of whack for me (i admit, my blood pressure is on the high side, but not dangerously high)

my hdl/ldl is fucked up but my blood pressure is near perfect so it makes me feel somewhat safer  anyways, i'd much rather croak from a heart attack than cancer, coz with a heart attack it's BOOM! LIGHTS OUT! but with cancer you suffer for awhile and slowly fade out, so heart attack is the way to go

and aren't triglycerides and hdl/ldl very closely related? basically interchangeable

[pestosterone]

You can live through a heart attack still suffer. Steroid use will not end good.

[Jizmo]

my hdl/ldl is fucked up but my blood pressure is near perfect so it makes me feel somewhat safer   anyways, i'd much rather croak from a heart attack than cancer, coz with a heart attack it's BOOM! LIGHTS OUT! but with cancer you suffer for awhile and slowly fade out, so heart attack is the way to go

and aren't triglycerides and hdl/ldl very closely related? basically interchangeable

i think hdl or ldl (one of them) is usually not directly measured but calculated through a formula with LDL and triglycerides or something like that
i got mine directly checked though
but yeah usually if LDL is really high triglycerides are really high too or something

on blasts as right now my blood pressure is usually in the 140s/80s.. when im cutting or on less gear its 120-130/80
so on heavy blasts im borderline hypertensive but nothing exactly dangerous... i think 150-160/90+ and upwards is where an increased risk for the cardiovascular system is definite

[kevinf]

have you done deca before?
i foudn it to be complete shit
NPP is awesome however

[theworm]

Just my opinion, I ran deca higher, never had any issues or sides.  Gained good lbm

But higher test, looked much bigger, looked like a body builder

My next round is 450 deca, 300 test, 50 var...  I think that's a great hair friendly cycle

Remember, 99% of those who say you need more test than deca never ran higher deca then test. 

[Qwert II]

Remember, 99% of those who say you need more test than deca never ran higher deca then test.  

I've done this a few times & EVERY time I ran more Deca than Test, I had drive & depression issues.

IMO, you need a 2 to 1 ratio of Test to Deca not have these issues.

For me, a 2 to 1 androgen to anabolic ratio works best for a cycle.

[thelamefalsehood]

i think hdl or ldl (one of them) is usually not directly measured but calculated through a formula with LDL and triglycerides or something like that
i got mine directly checked though
but yeah usually if LDL is really high triglycerides are really high too or something

on blasts as right now my blood pressure is usually in the 140s/80s.. when im cutting or on less gear its 120-130/80
so on heavy blasts im borderline hypertensive but nothing exactly dangerous... i think 150-160/90+ and upwards is where an increased risk for the cardiovascular system is definite

Take 12-15g chitosan daily for ldl. Mine dropped by 39 points in 4 weeks supplementing with it. Changed nothing else in my routine except that. It went from 146 to 107 in that timeframe. For hdl a quality fish oil(Carlsons for me) does wonders. Mine stays in the 60-70 range with the fish oil. I really don't eat super clean btw, but I do 30 minutes of cardio 5-6 days a week after lifting for general health.