Trump wins the Republican nomination, Cruz drops out, it's over!

[chaos]

No clinic, huge welfare, education and medical costs.  No studies account for those, plus crime and courts. 

Keep up with the lies, it's all ending soon.  Hillary won't save you.

This is a hardly talked about truth. Cheap labor or not, they are in this country illegally.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Trump named his son Baron. After Baron Rothschild.

[TuHolmes]

This is a hardly talked about truth. Cheap labor or not, they are in this country illegally.

That is true, I'm not denying that.

However, the studies do account for total economic draws and pushes.

Illegals pay taxes in sales tax for everything they buy. Gas. Clothes. Goods.

Illegals also don't collect any welfare, unemployment, or social security.

Most studies show that the draw doesn't come anywhere close to what they put into the economy and they ARE hard working people.

If you want to be angry at people, be angry at the lazy welfare people, not the "illegals". They are putting a lot in and getting a lot less in return.

[AbrahamG]

That is true, I'm not denying that.

However, the studies do account for total economic draws and pushes.

Illegals pay taxes in sales tax for everything they buy. Gas. Clothes. Goods.

Illegals also don't collect any welfare, unemployment, or social security.

Most studies show that the draw doesn't come anywhere close to what they put into the economy and they ARE hard working people.

If you want to be angry at people, be angry at the lazy welfare people, not the "illegals". They are putting a lot in and getting a lot less in return.

You've nailed it.  Not too mention that when an illegal attains fake documents including fake SSN numbers they pay SS tax and are never able to redeem it in the end.

[bigkid]

That doesn't work for me.   Hes doing EXACTLY what the establishment candidates do - promising something different to every room of people they enter, based upon the audience.   He said during the debates that the min wage was TOO HIGH.  $7.25 an hour is too high.  Gotcha.

Now he says that he'd look at raising it... 7.25 is too high, but now that he's seen socialist candidates pushing for it, hey, let's look at it?   No, that doesn't work.  That's not showing you're a maverick.. it's showing you just took two OPPOSITE positions.   Raising and lowering. 


Same with the tax increases... this week he wants the top 1% to pay more.   Last month, he planned on cutting their rate by 14.6%, I believe.  WHICH IS IT?


People somehow equate flakiness/pandering with "being different from the establishment".   I think trump is just bullshitting all of us.  A dem plant to look like shit, maybe even entice a 3rd party run, and hand it to hilary.  he's done EVERYTHING you would do, in order to deliver Clinton to the White House.  And they're very very good friends for many years... why are people jut discounting this... "they wouldn't do that?"  LOL come on.

He never said any of this.  On min wage he said, "we'll look into it"  I say that all the time to managers below me at my company.  It doesn't mean he's raising anything.  Also, you're wrong about the tax rate.  He was referring to his proposed top end 25% tax rate.  He said that might have to be a little higher.  He was not talking about the current 39.6% tax rate on the wealthy.  My family is all conservatives and we have a very large business in a highly democratic county in FL.  We've given 100's of thousands to Dem candidates over the years.  I've gone to countless dinners and luncheons supporting their causes.  Doesn't mean that's how we think or vote.  It's just how you play the game when your in that position.

[El Diablo Blanco]

This whole bullshit of people in the gop all of a sudden backing him is bullshit.

[Marty Champions]

That is true, I'm not denying that.

However, the studies do account for total economic draws and pushes.

Illegals pay taxes in sales tax for everything they buy. Gas. Clothes. Goods.

Illegals also don't collect any welfare, unemployment, or social security.

Most studies show that the draw doesn't come anywhere close to what they put into the economy and they ARE hard working people.

If you want to be angry at people, be angry at the lazy welfare people, not the "illegals". They are putting a lot in and getting a lot less in return.

actually be angry at property taxes . your rent u pay is directly correlated

[Las Vegas]

Illegals also don't collect any welfare, unemployment, or social security.

No, but they cause Americans to.  That's the problem.

You went on in this post to complain about those Americans, which means you're trying to have it both ways.

[hardgainerj]

the government will never deport all illegals that would be less circulation of the dollar/

[TuHolmes]

No, but they cause Americans to.  That's the problem.

You went on in this post to complain about those Americans, which means you're trying to have it both ways.

Not really.

Again, as I've stated previously, they are doing the jobs which many people in the US seem to be too good to do.

You're not picking lettuce, and again, if you did, you will say you should make more money than they do by far.

[240 is Back]

He never said any of this.  On min wage he said, "we'll look into it"

  Earlier he said it was TOO HIGH.

n a reversal, Donald Trump expressed openness to raising the federal minimum wage during an interview on Wednesday.

“I'm looking at that, I'm very different from most Republicans,” the presumptive GOP presidential nominee told CNN Wednesday about the prospect of increasing wages.

“You have to have something you can live on. But what I 'm really looking to do is get people great jobs so they make much more money than that, much more money than the $15.”

[bigkid]

  Earlier he said it was TOO HIGH.

n a reversal, Donald Trump expressed openness to raising the federal minimum wage during an interview on Wednesday.

“I'm looking at that, I'm very different from most Republicans,” the presumptive GOP presidential nominee told CNN Wednesday about the prospect of increasing wages.

“You have to have something you can live on. But what I 'm really looking to do is get people great jobs so they make much more money than that, much more money than the $15.”

His whole stance is "i'm bringing jobs good paying jobs back."  He never said anywhere he's raising min wage. 

[Never1AShow]

Illegals also don't collect any welfare, unemployment, or social security.


This is simply a huge lie.

[drkaje]

Illegals also don't collect any welfare, unemployment, or social security.


This is simply a huge lie.

Isn't there a fast track program for Cubans that gets them benefits and so on?


There's also DAPA and no action is taken to deport illegals who have children in the US. I'm assuming those citizen children are eligible for benefits/assistance.

[TuHolmes]

Isn't there a fast track program for Cubans that gets them benefits and so on?


There's also DAPA and no action is taken to deport illegals who have children in the US. I'm assuming those citizen children are eligible for benefits/assistance.

Cubans are considered "refugees", so they are not illegal the way other people are considered legal.

[Las Vegas]

Not really.

Again, as I've stated previously, they are doing the jobs which many people in the US seem to be too good to do.

You're not picking lettuce, and again, if you did, you will say you should make more money than they do by far.

But you can't have an argument to say 'well it's ok because it's just lettuce-picking'.  

Because it hasn't stopped at lettuce-picking.

Where is it due to stop, and when?

[TuHolmes]

But you can't have an argument to say 'well it's ok because it's just lettuce-picking'.  

Because it hasn't stopped at lettuce-picking.

Where is it due to stop, and when?

What jobs are illegals doing? They aren't doctors, or lawyers, or working in IT. They aren't building cars at Ford or GM.

I suppose they are cleaning tables... being bartenders.

There are some that paint houses on a very short term basis, but aside from a few jobs, what are they doing?

[El Diablo Blanco]

No, but they cause Americans to.  That's the problem.

You went on in this post to complain about those Americans, which means you're trying to have it both ways.

Bullshit. Illegals drain money. People don't realize there is a big budget item we pay taxes for to take care of illegals in hospitals and care. California spends billions on care for illegals.

[TuHolmes]

Bullshit. Illegals drain money. People don't realize there is a big budget item we pay taxes for to take care of illegals in hospitals and care. California spends billions on care for illegals.

The entire country spends 10.5 billion a year on healthcare for illegals... Drop in the bucket for a nation that spends 90 times that to blow up the rest of the world.

[Never1AShow]

The entire country spends 10.5 billion a year on healthcare for illegals... Drop in the bucket for a nation that spends 90 times that to blow up the rest of the world.

You are accepting statistics that are simply lies to push open border agenda.

2014 govt healthcare was 844 billion.  The 20 plus million illegals are 6 percent of the population, that comes out to 50+ billion if it was just proportional, which it ain't. 

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/12/03/Federal-Health-Care-Costs-Surge-17-Percent-GDP

[TuHolmes]

You are accepting statistics that are simply lies to push open border agenda.

2014 govt healthcare was 844 billion.  The 20 plus million illegals are 6 percent of the population, that comes out to 50+ billion if it was just proportional, which it ain't.  

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/12/03/Federal-Health-Care-Costs-Surge-17-Percent-GDP

Actually, you're making assumptions that healthcare costs are divided equally among the populace.

They aren't.

How many years have you not gone to the hospital or even the doctor?

I've had many.

Illegals go to doctors and hospitals less.

Many illegals simply don't get medical attention until it's an absolute emergency where many privileged middle class people will go to the doctor or the hospital if they get the sniffles.

[Las Vegas]

What jobs are illegals doing? They aren't doctors, or lawyers, or working in IT. They aren't building cars at Ford or GM.

I suppose they are cleaning tables... being bartenders.

There are some that paint houses on a very short term basis, but aside from a few jobs, what are they doing?

I hope you're not saying the "solution" is for all Americans to gain jobs in the UAW or be IT people, lawyers or doctors.  Not sure that would work.

To say nothing of the fact our IT pool has been brought in from India.  And many doctors have, too.  So.

It doesn't work.  We have too little opportunity for our people, now, and it is due to get worse by all signs including this.  You are buying into the media version of events, and it is destroying this nation and all civilized places.  We will become a wasted world of desperation if these ideas stay on track.

[TuHolmes]

I hope you're not saying the "solution" is for all Americans to gain jobs in the UAW or be IT people, lawyers or doctors.  Not sure that would work.

To say nothing of the fact our IT pool has been brought in from India.  And many doctors have, too.  So.

It doesn't work.  We have too little opportunity for our people, now, and it is due to get worse by all signs including this.  You are buying into the media version of events, and it is destroying this nation and all civilized places.  We will become a wasted world of desperation if these ideas stay on track.

No. I'm just saying that I see hard working people work hard.

That simple.

There are jobs out there... lots of them. Fuck, if you look around there are people looking for people to do all kinds of things all of the time.

What you're saying is that there are more people than jobs. That's not the case.

There are more jobs than people, but we have a society that doesn't appreciate hard work anymore and you say "illegals are taking jobs", but they aren't.

Citizens aren't applying for these jobs.

When there are more "illegals" leaving than coming in, what does that mean? Certainly those jobs should have been snatched up already, but they aren't.

Why not?

[Las Vegas]

I'd like to see a program to get our kids into medicine, without them having to be from rich homes (or India).  Get as many of them into it as can be done, while still maintaining a certain standard.  And start early.

[Las Vegas]

No. I'm just saying that I see hard working people work hard.

That simple.

There are jobs out there... lots of them. Fuck, if you look around there are people looking for people to do all kinds of things all of the time.

What you're saying is that there are more people than jobs. That's not the case.

There are more jobs than people, but we have a society that doesn't appreciate hard work anymore and you say "illegals are taking jobs", but they aren't.

Citizens aren't applying for these jobs.

When there are more "illegals" leaving than coming in, what does that mean? Certainly those jobs should have been snatched up already, but they aren't.

Why not?

How can you say both things at once?