The bible talking about wiggs

[Al Doggity]

I'm gonna leave this here...
http://www.panafricanalliance.com/black-feminism/

Y'all both know I don't agree with this. We've started discussions about entitlement programs and issues affecting the black community before and I'd be more than happy to continue them. It seems like we have different ideas about what qualifies as reliable data, though.

[The Scott]

I am genuinely curious about this, though: much like The Scott, I don't recall ever seeing you call anyone out for racism on this board. Why are Wiggs's posts different? It's not hard to find racist posts or what some would consider crazy posts on this board. There are unambiguously racist posts from other posters in this very thread. What is it about Wiggs's posts that are so egregious?

The above is what is known as a pull quote. Now you know.

You do it.  You point it out.  I've always maintained we are one race, human.  I have often said this but perhaps you only look for that which makes you feel better?   Whatever.

And yes, I know the above pull quote wasn't directed at me but you invoked my name.  Wiggs is the typical racist regardless of skin color.  Such people are usually male and again, usually racist only toward other males of different color.  They will have sex with women outside their skin color though as they feel they have to pass on the good blood.  The truth of this is that they are just pigs and pigs will screw anything.

This is true of black, white, brown, red, yellow, whatever.  Such "men" will crow their superiority with regard to a variety of things but most typically they stick to the stereotype(s) of their skin color and again any color man qualifies for this behavior as racism has no boundaries.

Additionally, Wiggs claims a heritage that is not his own, i.e., Jewish.  I have a friend that is Jewish and black.  He was born to it and his family converted several generations before him.  He is also what is known as a Messianic Jew as he accepted Christ late in life.   I myself am Cashew but only by raising as I am adopted.  Oh..."Cashew" is Catholic-Jew.  The two worst forms of guilt known to man, Catholic and Jew. My mom became Catholic as a young child.  She was very much drawn in by what I call the fluff and nonsense of it all.  Pomp and circumstance one might call it.  My family on her side call me their little goy and a young jewish girl's brother once referred to me as his sisters goy-toy.  That still makes me laugh.

I consider it no big deal.  I am as Jewish as I am Catholic.  Wiggs on the other hand is just an asshole what his BS references to God and what is going to happen to whitey and the color of Christ is black and how whitey will bow before him, ad nausea.  Sounds like Nazi crap to me.  Black Nazi crap.  FTN.

Don't care for me?  Don't send me a Christmas card. I'm not here to salve your ego nor your soul.  And again, you go in and tell people they're being white racists.  You.  And while you're at it go clean up the ghettos, teach the people there to speak proper English and that drugs are bad for you and that welfare is just slavery with different letters.  Nah.

People are responsible for themselves.   Some just want to lay the blame at another's feet.  I just treat it like dog crap and go around it.

[drkaje]

You know I respect your posts on some other subjects, but like I've said, I'm sure we would probably butt heads at some point. I'm not really surprised it's a race thing.


There have always been successful blacks, women, minorites of all stripes in America.  Even during the height of slavery, there were always a few blacks that managed to slip through the cracks. That doesn't negate the realities of this country's history. A black president doesn't negate the realities of how this country works now and the cultural inertia that drives it. If you are smart and know how to work the system you can get ahead. That's true regardless of race. The problem there is that the majority of people- regardless of race- aren't exceptionally smart or working any systems. Most people- regardless of race- are a part of the system and just doing the best that they are able to do. That's where the real weight of the imbalance becomes evident.

If you want to talk specifics, great. I'm up for an honest, open discussion about this. Otherwise, I won't waste your time and mine with an essay-length post with a bunch of statistics and news articles.

I am genuinely curious about this, though: much like The Scott, I don't recall ever seeing you call anyone out for racism on this board. Why are Wiggs's posts different? It's not hard to find racist posts or what some would consider crazy posts on this board. There are unambiguously racist posts from other posters in this very thread. What is it about Wiggs's posts that is so egregious?

He directs racism towards.

[Al Doggity]

The above is what is known as a pull quote. Now you know.

 No, that's not a pull quote. A pullquote is a specific design element used in publishing. It's a visual element, it doesn't simply mean text pulled from a quote. Your misuse of the word and insistence on "educating" someone with that incorrect usage is emblematic of you as a poster. You heard the word and assumed it meant something it doesn't and then had the nerve to get uppity about it, despite the fact that hearing the word in context even once should have clued you in on what it actually meant. You don't have to be correct, you just have to feel like you sound correct. You don't have to put actual thought into your words, you just have to think you look like you do.  


 Anyone can be wrong, but it takes a special type of asshole to be so blissfully ignorant.

[The Ugly]

Here's your fucking pull quote.

[The Scott]

 No, that's not a pull quote. A pullquote is a specific design element used in publishing. It's a visual element, it doesn't simply mean text pulled from a quote. Your misuse of the word and insistence on "educating" someone with that incorrect usage is emblematic of you as a poster. You heard the word and assumed it meant something it doesn't and then had the nerve to get uppity about it, despite the fact that hearing the word in context even once should have clued you in on what it actually meant. You don't have to be correct, you just have to feel like you sound correct. You don't have to put actual thought into your words, you just have to think you look like you do.  


 Anyone can be wrong, but it takes a special type of asshole to be so blissfully ignorant.

Wrong.    Keep typing.  The last time an idiot typed this much he wrote the Koran.

[Al Doggity]

Wrong.    Keep typing.  The last time an idiot typed this much he wrote the Koran.

You know what- I'm actually gonna have to  admit to being sort of wrong. You are still wrong as fuck and everything else applie, but I left out two important words in my last post. A pull quote is a visual element OF TEXT. It does not mean to quote someone. What you referred to as a pullquote is not a pullquote.  


(I will preemptively point out that there is a big difference between not knowing what a pullquote is and using it in an ignorant fashion ( you) and simply being hasty and leaving out two words out of the definition(me) .)

[The Scott]

You know what- I'm actually gonna have to  admit to being sort of wrong. You are still wrong as fuck and everything else applie, but I left out two important words in my last post. A pull quote is a visual element OF TEXT. It does not mean to quote someone. What you referred to as a pullquote is not a pullquote.  


(I will preemptively point out that there is a big difference between not knowing what a pullquote is and using it in an ignorant fashion ( you) and simply being hasty and leaving out two words of the definition(me) .)

It can be used in a limited variety of ways and I have chosen it for my own purposes.  That you beg to differ is of little consequence to my intent.  Ignorant?  Not hardly.    Preemptive?  More impotent, really.  Thanks!

[Al Doggity]

It can be used in a limited variety of ways and I have chosen it for my own purposes.  That you beg to differ is of little consequence to my intent.  Ignorant?  Not hardly.    Preemptive?  More impotent, really.  Thanks!

No, it can't. Your use of the word is incorrect. Yes, using pre-existing words incorrectly is ignorant. Your intent is irrelevant.

[Necrosis]

You know I respect your posts on some other subjects, but like I've said, I'm sure we would probably butt heads at some point. I'm not really surprised it's a race thing.


There have always been successful blacks, women, minorites of all stripes in America.  Even during the height of slavery, there were always a few blacks that managed to slip through the cracks. That doesn't negate the realities of this country's history. A black president doesn't negate the realities of how this country works now and the cultural inertia that drives it. If you are smart and know how to work the system you can get ahead. That's true regardless of race. The problem there is that the majority of people- regardless of race- aren't exceptionally smart or working any systems. Most people- regardless of race- are a part of the system and just doing the best that they are able to do. That's where the real weight of the imbalance becomes evident.

If you want to talk specifics, great. I'm up for an honest, open discussion about this. Otherwise, I won't waste your time and mine with an essay-length post with a bunch of statistics and news articles.

I am genuinely curious about this, though: much like The Scott, I don't recall ever seeing you call anyone out for racism on this board. Why are Wiggs's posts different? It's not hard to find racist posts or what some would consider crazy posts on this board. There are unambiguously racist posts from other posters in this very thread. What is it about Wiggs's posts that is so egregious?

I agree the underpinnings of America were built upon slavery, I am almost certain half the country didn't participate in slavery. However, the only fallout that exists is the memory of such a thing, the jewish people, the irish people, the asians have all been enslaved. It's not a uniquely black phenomenon, it's a human condition, one that doesn't give anyone a pass for the circumstances they find themselves in. My perspective is likely skewed, I try to do everything myself and have friends with illnesses which carry a heavier burden then ancestral enslavement.

Wiggs post get me just because of his history of flat earth and I know who wiggs is, gimmicks or other accounts aren't worth talking to.

food for thought, are you arguing that the differences in wealth, culture, level of civility has nothing to do with skin color or race? I would generally agree. I do think there are racial differences, likely genetic in behavioural/emotional/physical traits, they would have to manifest objectively would they not?


The world would almost work better if we acknowledged particuarly advantages and worked as one race together. There is a reason the math team is asian and the basketball team is black. The social argument, basketball is cheap, ergo black sporting, hockey is expensive, it's white. Asians focus on school more, better acumen for mathematics and logic.

I imagine the truth is in between, natural proclivity funneled these traits. I am talking on a basic level.

[Raymondo]

Why is everything about the color of ones skin with you? racist as hell.

What about the chinese? or the australians? what about the russians? did they all rob the black people? the chinese seem to be pretty advanced, the japanese and koreans as well, the world isn't just white and black.

Wiggs was obsessed with race long before he discovered the black hebrew stuff.

[Necrosis]

Wiggs was obsessed with race long before he discovered the black hebrew stuff.

it's so petty, who cares who invented what etc, we can all share the technology, wealth etc. I don't benefit from being white, I get no extra money, many white people are poor here.

I don't believe there is systemic oppression, the aboriginals in Canada have an argument, we raped the lands, their people and destroyed their culture and language.

[Raymondo]

it's so petty, who cares who invented what etc, we can all share the technology, wealth etc. I don't benefit from being white, I get no extra money, many white people are poor here.

I don't believe there is systemic oppression, the aboriginals in Canada have an argument, we raped the lands, their people and destroyed their culture and language.

I was watching an interview with Noam Chomsky, he was being interviewed by one of those transhumanist loonies and he was asked what he thought of the evolution of the human race.

He said that we seem to be an evolutionary mistake as we are affecting the planet in a way that can lead to our extinction. There have already been five extinction events in the history of the Earth and more than 99% of the species ever lived have gone extinct.

From such a viewpoint arguments about race are pointless. Having said that, it is often the case that abused people will abuse other people and this applies with regards to racism, too.

[Al Doggity]

I agree the underpinnings of America were built upon slavery, I am almost certain half the country didn't participate in slavery.

Slavery was the primary economic driver of the south for generations. Saying half the country didn't participate in it is as dubious as saying only 10% (for example) of the country worked for the automobile industry or only 10% work in tech.

However, the only fallout that exists is the memory of such a thing, the jewish people, the irish people, the asians have all been enslaved. It's not a uniquely black phenomenon, it's a human condition, one that doesn't give anyone a pass for the circumstances they find themselves in. My perspective is likely skewed, I try to do everything myself and have friends with illnesses which carry a heavier burden then ancestral enslavement.

There are aspects of black American slavery that were completely unique to the other ones you mentioned, but slavery wasn't the focus of my previous post. I only mentioned slavery to illustrate the point that high-achieving blacks aren't a modern phenomenon that can only exist in the absence of racism. Even following the abolition of slavery, officially-sanctioned institutional racism existed in this country for decades, followed by decades more of covert racism. Whether or not "fallout" from slavery exists anywhere but in memories, problems surrounding race in America don't begin and end there.

Wiggs post get me just because of his history of flat earth and I know who wiggs is, gimmicks or other accounts aren't worth talking to.

But in this thread, you focused on what he posts about race. You didn't mention any of that other stuff. Obviously, you can pick and choose to respond to whatever posters you feel merit your attention and you don't have to justify it to me, but to pretend the reason you focus on his posts
is some sort of appeal to anti-race is disingenous. He's not the most racist poster or even the most frequent poster about race on this board.
If his posts bother you more because he's said things about whites you don't agree with and that's your tipping point, that's fine. Just admit that. But it's not because his posts are more petty or more extreme than  the majority of what is posted here.

food for thought, are you arguing that the differences in wealth, culture, level of civility has nothing to do with skin color or race? I would generally agree. I do think there are racial differences, likely genetic in behavioural/emotional/physical traits, they would have to manifest objectively would they not?

I don't think this is a reasonable thing to conclude from what I posted.

The world would almost work better if we acknowledged particuarly advantages and worked as one race together. There is a reason the math team is asian and the basketball team is black. The social argument, basketball is cheap, ergo black sporting, hockey is expensive, it's white. Asians focus on school more, better acumen for mathematics and logic.

I don't understand the logic behind this. How would it work better? Would we not allow Asians to play basketball or blacks to play hockey or be on a math team?

[Necrosis]

I was watching an interview with Noam Chomsky, he was being interviewed by one of those transhumanist loonies and he was asked what he thought of the evolution of the human race.

He said that we seem to be an evolutionary mistake as we are affecting the planet in a way that can lead to our extinction. There have already been five extinction events in the history of the Earth and more than 99% of the species ever lived have gone extinct.

From such a viewpoint arguments about race are pointless. Having said that, it is often the case that abused people will abuse other people and this applies with regards to racism, too.

Fair points, but are blacks being abused still? the Jews were abused much earlier and in a more heinous fashion (slavery was terrible, the jews were undergoing genocide) and aren't abusive. Knowing what you said, if I was black, this would simply mean stop abusing others (if said person was doing so) despite the etiology of the abuse. An abusive father may breed an abusive son, it's still possible to stop the cycle no matter the programming. With support and the right tools/references, if the person is still abusive, the reasons why no longer matter, it's pathological in a sense, it accomplishes nothing.

I liken it to woman rights movements still arguing for equal pay and equal rights, they have them, men are disadvantaged relative to woman in society. Just stop bringing it up, it wasn't "us", we aren't still apologizing for the inquisition, or the elimination of whole indiginous populations native to North America.

It sucked, life's hard, some people have far more problems then the color of their skin, mental health issues and the like.  arguments about master races, true hebrews, white privilege or any melanocyte based argument for that matter, are weak.

[Zillotch]

Slavery
black
slavery
slavery
slavery  
high-achieving blacks
racism
slavery
institutional racism
covert racism
slavery
race in America  
race
anti-race
racist
race
whites

I don't understand

kill yourself.

[Necrosis]

Slavery was the primary economic driver of the south for generations. Saying half the country didn't participate in it is as dubious as saying only 10% (for example) of the country worked for the automobile industry or only 10% work in tech.

There are aspects of black American slavery that were completely unique to the other ones you mentioned, but slavery wasn't the focus of my previous post. I only mentioned slavery to illustrate the point that high-achieving blacks aren't a modern phenomenon that can only exist in the absence of racism. Even following the abolition of slavery, officially-sanctioned institutional racism existed in this country for decades, followed by decades more of covert racism. Whether or not "fallout" from slavery exists anywhere but in memories, problems surrounding race in America don't begin and end there.
But in this thread, you focused on what he posts about race. You didn't mention any of that other stuff. Obviously, you can pick and choose to respond to whatever posters you feel merit your attention and you don't have to justify it to me, but to pretend the reason you focus on his posts
is some sort of appeal to anti-race is disingenous. He's not the most racist poster or even the most frequent poster about race on this board.
If his posts bother you more because he's said things about whites you don't agree with and that's your tipping point, that's fine. Just admit that. But it's not because his posts are more petty or more extreme than  the majority of what is posted here.

I don't think this is a reasonable thing to conclude from what I posted.

I don't understand the logic behind this. How would it work better? Would we not allow Asians to play basketball or blacks to play hockey or be on a math team?

The logic of the last part is the currently asian communities are seperate from "white" places, knowledge transfer is poor, each country (while seperate from race) has their best intentions, locally this is good, globally not so much.

We currently do allow anyone to play basketball, there is an obvious anomaly in terms of ethnicity and choosen sport. We have people working on the same problems in isolation, which brings me back to the central thesis of wiggs posts, that someone stole something from "blacks", or vice versa, it's segegrated thinking. Do you cheer on teh accomplishments of China or do you see them as competition? Same logic applies to this very argument, I want what's ideal as a starting point and work from there logically.

I am sure if black people played hockey more they would dominate the sport. There are structural differences, cognitive differencs and adaptive responses, it's all being ignored. Diversity isn't achieved through segregation, when we landed on the moon, he didn't say one small step for man, one huge step for white people. Perhaps his perspective, looking at the world in totality spawned his loss of nationality in that moment.

[johnnynoname]

hey so you want to here something funny??

princess L PM'd me about using the "N-word" in this thread like 3 days after I posted the actual N-word


lol at the Mod's on this forum


I didn't even know that Princess L still posted here


isn't she one of the shitheads from the z board

[Necrosis]

Slavery was the primary economic driver of the south for generations. Saying half the country didn't participate in it is as dubious as saying only 10% (for example) of the country worked for the automobile industry or only 10% work in tech.

There are aspects of black American slavery that were completely unique to the other ones you mentioned, but slavery wasn't the focus of my previous post. I only mentioned slavery to illustrate the point that high-achieving blacks aren't a modern phenomenon that can only exist in the absence of racism. Even following the abolition of slavery, officially-sanctioned institutional racism existed in this country for decades, followed by decades more of covert racism. Whether or not "fallout" from slavery exists anywhere but in memories, problems surrounding race in America don't begin and end there.


But in this thread, you focused on what he posts about race. You didn't mention any of that other stuff. Obviously, you can pick and choose to respond to whatever posters you feel merit your attention and you don't have to justify it to me, but to pretend the reason you focus on his posts
is some sort of appeal to anti-race is disingenous. He's not the most racist poster or even the most frequent poster about race on this board.
If his posts bother you more because he's said things about whites you don't agree with and that's your tipping point, that's fine. Just admit that. But it's not because his posts are more petty or more extreme than  the majority of what is posted here.

Your first point, are you saying that the north benefitted indirectly from slavery and so stating those who did not own slaves but beneffited in a pernicious way?  Perhaps, that's pretty subjective, I would argue that far less then 50% of the country benefitted from slavery, I mean you did have a civil war.


I started responding if I recall, correct me if I am wrong regarding the stolen "ideas", wiggs also grouped me into a category I simply don't agree with, claiming my people were the head of the snake. I mean, if I am going at him more then others, it's not without merit, his black supremacy is disgusting as is white supremacy.

He is also not trolling, others are. He is a legit racist, outspoken as well, with other equally outrageous ideas.

[johnnynoname]

btw- expect me to be banned for my last post in 3 weeks

[Raymondo]

btw- expect me to be banned for my last post in 3 weeks

This isn't the 90s bro, people don't use the n-word anymore.

Do you want to hear something really funny? I bet you can smoke a cigarette standing in the rain with that camel nose of yours!

[johnnynoname]

Do you want to hear something really funny? I bet you can smoke a cigarette standing in the rain with that camel nose of yours!

i had to think about that one for a sec

that was funny actually...did you make that joke up?  be honest

This isn't the 90s bro, people don't use the n-word anymore.

there are a couple of old Wops in my neighborhood who are stuck in the 90's then

[Raymondo]

i had to think about that one for a sec

that was funny actually...did you make that joke up?  be honest

It's from the Sopranos. Richie Aprile said it about Christopher.

[johnnynoname]

It's from the Sopranos. Richie Aprile said that about Christopher.

so just because i'm of mediteranean descent and live in the northeast I should know everything about the Soprano's?

that's bigoted yo......


it's funny--nobody ever quotes Primo levi..........then again- it's kinda hard to find a place to use the quote "OUCH...YOU'RE BURNING THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!!!LET ME OUT OF THIS OVEN!!!"

[Al Doggity]

The logic of the last part is the currently asian communities are seperate from "white" places, knowledge transfer is poor, each country (while seperate from race) has their best intentions, locally this is good, globally not so much.

We currently do allow anyone to play basketball, there is an obvious anomaly in terms of ethnicity and choosen sport. We have people working on the same problems in isolation, which brings me back to the central thesis of wiggs posts, that someone stole something from "blacks", or vice versa, it's segegrated thinking. Do you cheer on teh accomplishments of China or do you see them as competition? Same logic applies to this very argument, I want what's ideal as a starting point and work from there logically.

I am sure if black people played hockey more they would dominate the sport. There are structural differences, cognitive differencs and adaptive responses, it's all being ignored. Diversity isn't achieved through segregation, when we landed on the moon, he didn't say one small step for man, one huge step for white people. Perhaps his perspective, looking at the world in totality spawned his loss of nationality in that moment.

I don't understand the logic, I guess, because I don't agree with the unspoken assumptions. You seem to be implying that we're not already largely working together, at least not in a way that "acknowledging our differences" would substantively change. Competition exists regardless of race.I also don't see how emphasizing what you believe are race-based cognitive and structural differences will lead to less segregation.  

I think we're just far away on the things we take for granted. In your response to raymondo, you say this:
I liken it to woman rights movements still arguing for equal pay and equal rights, they have them, men are disadvantaged relative to woman in society.

I don't see that at all.

You also say this:
(slavery was terrible, the jews were undergoing genocide)

The transatlantic slave trade wasn't ostensibly a genocide?

The things we take for granted are so far apart that we're practically having different discussions. You're saying "Slavery's over yet blacks are still complaining about it. Move on."  My thing is "Completely separate from slavery, there are still a lot of other issues."  I've said it on here before that I think the most insidious  issue for the largest number of blacks is the selective, fucked up criminal justice system. That has nothing to do with slavery.