PDI and IFBB athletes switching contests?

[onlyme]

Exactly Gordo.  Wayne is giving the BB's another avenue to make money and have a carrear.  And all some guys can do on here is put it down.  How can you put something down that hasn't happened.  The IFBB has been around and has a huge history of screwing guys.  If Wayne wanted to continue to screw BB's and take advantage of them he would have stayed with the IFBB.  but, he wants improve things so he started the PDI. 

There is no way the IFBB can stop any IFBB pro to watch or be part of the PDI events.  I can't see anyone signing an agreement to give up all their rights like that.

[bigdumbbell]

is there expressed exclusivity agreement

[Gord]

.....The IFBB has been around and has a huge history of screwing guys.  If Wayne wanted to continue to screw BB's and take advantage of them he would have stayed with the IFBB.  but, he wants improve things so he started the PDI. ......

Wait a minute, wasn't Wayne an important part that "huge history of screwing guys" set up for over two decades until he fell out with the new powers that be at IFBB? Since when has he become the Knight in Shining Armor who is going to save everything?

What is Wayne going to do differently, at PDI, that he did at IFBB for all those years he was in charge (which was until pretty recently)?

[ToxicAvenger]

Is it legal to evict an "athlete" from an organization if that athlete competes in another organization's event.

This legal question came up many years ago when the NPC was just getting started and the court ruled that an amateur athlete could compete in any organization he wanted to without harrassment or banishment by another competitive organization.

I don't think that that court addressed the professional side of that question because it was assumed that professional bodybuilders were under contract to participate within one organization only.

I am not of a legal mind, but it would appear that the IFBB would only have a legal leg to stand on if the competitors were limited to "invitees" only. And they could only banish those who compete in the PDI who are under contract to compete within the IFBB only.

Any legal opinions here? The IFBB could possibly open the doors to a major lawsuit if they choose to castigate competitors who desire to "cross over" between both organizations.

Could be an interesting situation to keep track of.

the IFBB could always go Aaron baker on someones ass...i mean dood had a back as detailed and much bigger and deepers than flex's..and he NEVER placed...he ws O material..and couldn't crack top 10 many times...

[stuntmovie]

Chick, thanks for your latest input on this subject matter. Always good to hear your comments.

Here is my present opinion which I think will prove to be the case as time progresses ......

A.  IFBB bodybuilders who have contracts with the IFBB (and that means financial consideration) will be obliged to compete within IFBB events only or suffer the consequences if they fail to do so.

The question here is ...... How many IFBB bodybuilders have valid contracts with the IFBB?

B.  IFBB bodybuilders who do not have contracts with the IFBB will be free to compete in any organization they chose without "noticeable retaliation" by the IFBB.

In that case it would be a simple matter of making it difficult for any crossover to do well.

This freedom of choice would take a while to be the norm, but it could be the way things are done if both organizations (and possibly three) are still in business in the next few years.

C.  In the meantime expect to hear a few dozen rumors and facts regarding some officials' attempts to "pursuade" major contributors to avoid working with one organization or another. I am sure that some of you guys are knowledgeable of such incidences already ....... "Support such and such and don't bother coming to the ______ contest again!" Or forget those comped tickets you have been receiving since 1992. Or no more decent booth space for  you, fella!

There will be a lot of that going on in an attempt to gain the advantage.

In the long run we should be seeing a different picture wherein everyone benefits in one form or another ....... the athletes, the fans, the promoters, and even the individual organizatons.

Competition within the marketplace is good for everyone even if you have to fight to make it a reality.

[stuntmovie]

Another interesting point, Goatboy ....... Would it be possible for suppliment companies to give contracts to athletes that forces them to enter one organization's events only?

I ask this because it would be a "good way" for an organization to "encourage" suppliment companies to add such a clause or face banishment from the organization's contests, events, and coverage.

I think we could be seeing this kind of activity in the not too distance months to come.

I bet some interesting discussions are underway already.

[Mr. Intenseone]

To be evicted you have to be an "athlete".....but there's one problem...













BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT ATHLETES !

Get it right, this is starting to get repetitive.

[onlyme]

If an athlete is signed with Weiner then obviously he will not let them go do the PDI without whatever ramifications follow.  An IFBB pro who is not under contract with Weiner can do as he pleases.  Like in Lee's case, his sponsor said fine go ahead.  We have invested $100,000 last year in IFBB shows and got nothing.  DIdn't even go to all of the shows so what do we have to lose if they don't allow us in as sponsors anymore who cares we save a $100,000.  So Lee go ahead we will support you no matter what.  The funny thing many other companies are doing the same.  They don't see any advantage of staying exclusivily with the IFBB and the Weiners.  If the IFBB and the Weiners don't want to take their sponsorship money cause they are supporting the PDI then fine.  What can they lose.

MD and MM did an article apiece on Wayne and the PDI.  7 and 8 pages articles coming out in May or June.  They see a story and a big one.  If AMI don't want to do stories on PDI fine.  WHo cares.  AMI is getting ut of the BB industry anyway.  They are losing money with it.  They are selling off their 50% of the olympia, that is just the start. 

And plus, any amateur NPC or IFBB can join the PDI.  And nothing can happen.

[kmhphoto]

  If Wayne wanted to continue to screw BB's and take advantage of them he would have stayed with the IFBB.  but, he wants improve things so he started the PDI. 

So you do admit that he screwed the bodybuilders when he was part of the IFBB but you now believe that he has changed for the better? Or does he want to improve his screwing?

[marcie999]

PDI is going to want to make money. While I think its great there will be some competition for the IFBB, and more options for the BB, I hope someone really savvy goes into bat for these guys when they are drawing up the provisions for the BB's.

Dont think it will make much difference to the BB if the IFBB screws or them or Wayne does the honours. The more competition for the top level BB's the more the competitions will have to woo them to get them to compete in their events. The BB have power. The fact they are too busy bitching at each other and trying to earn a living has seen them become pawns in a big chess game where money is being made, just not by them(except for a few).  As I said, I hope someone savvy to BB helps negotiate the deal. There wouldnt be an IFBB if the athletes didnt put up with it.

[onlyme]

So you do admit that he screwed the bodybuilders when he was part of the IFBB but you now believe that he has changed for the better? Or does he want to improve his screwing?

Dammit Kevin quit quoting me.  It means I have to answer you.  I am saying because of all the negative stuff that is being said about how the BBs were screwed that I am sure that some of it is true.  And with Wayne being the front man I am also sure he had to do what he had to do.  If he had a choice whether not to do something wrong then I truly believe he would have gone that route.  But he had a job and he had a carreer to look out for, so sometimes you have to bite the bullet and do it.  Now, if what he did was so wrong and shitty then why did the BB's keep doing his shows.  Why did Shawn after getting DQ keep coming back and competting.  If Wayne ripped money off then why not file suit, why keep entering his shows. Why?

[gordiano]

I mostly keep my feelings to my self, but since I have nothing to loose now.....

If the NPC didn't GIVE away PROCARDS to figure competitors for placing in the JR USA, AND make guys like me plug away YEAR after YEAR...then I would never have left.

Not for nothing but I have won my class in the Jr USA, Jr Nationals, and the USA....all I can do with that was get a better seat to WATCH a pro show...lol

the rules are insulting to me and my fellow competitors who have been at this game for a long time...winning Jr national level shows, and placing top 2 to 5 in the USA or the NATIONALS, THEN have a girl place in the Jr USA and turn pro....JUST NOT RIGHT.

Not to mention some of the bbers who turn "pro" but don't really deserve to. Cards are given away all the time. We usually see these guys at the NY shows. Lots of folks who do not belong on a pro stage. Much better competitors at the regional and even local events. Sorry, but it is the truth.

[CQ]

If the NPC didn't GIVE away PROCARDS to figure competitors for placing in the JR USA, AND make guys like me plug away YEAR after YEAR...then I would never have left.

I agree with you there. They are saturating the 'figure' division IMO....1 show alone gives out 12 pro cards

[Just H]

Figure brings money to the NPC.  If you can get 200 girls to step on stage at any given national level show, the NPC makes money.  By giving a pro card to any girl with implants who doesn't have cellulite, you get even more girls to step on stage. 

Manion is now the man in the IFBB too, so he can help dictate the number of figure pro cards.  The more figure pro cards, the more NPC competitors.....IE: the more money for him. 

It is pretty sad at this point though.....it's getting to the point where if you've lifted weights for 6 months, and aren't a figure pro....something is wrong. 

The funniest thing is when figure girls complain about the placings....as if the judges are even paying attention when they're on stage. 

[CQ]

 

[240 is Back]

Woah- there's 2 of you!!!!!!!!!!!

Hot

[CQ]

 

[240 is Back]

I propose some kind of webcam wrestling match to determine who should keep the name. 

I can set this website up for free

[stuntmovie]

VGalanti, I'm not entirely familiar with your situation, but could it be that the IFBB only needs so many Pro bodybuilders to run all the Pro shows each year?

Could it be that too many Pros in one organization is not good for the overall functioning of that organization?

So in order to benefit the organization, they allow for more of less qualifiers on an as required basis.

Kind of like ajusting the Prime Interest Rate each quarter.

Allow more people to qualify as Pros where you need them and make it more difficult to qualify as a Pro where you don't.

Does anyone have any idea of the ideal number of Pros that would be needed to establish the perfect situation for a bodybuilding organization? A smaller number of Pros would allow for more and larger "payoffs" while a larger number of Pros would dilute the "pay-pool".

If the PDI is successful, they could be working with more Pros than are actually needed.

[onlyme]

Also, from what a friend told me (who is an IFBB official) just other day, is one reason why so few make the pros in BB is that it controls the money and increases profits and competition in the amateur ranks.  You have to figure that if they gave away to many pro cards that the NPC shows would suffer greatly from lack of competitors and real quality competitors.  They know that if a guy truly deserved to win his pro card but doens't that he will come back and compete and creat a buzz the following year or years and plus have to pay his dues again and again.  Plus could you imgaine if they gave cards to all the guys who really deserve the card.  The following years competitions would look like shit.  They have to keep some quality in the amatuer ranks.

And Vince, you are still an amateur.  You can enter both PDI and NPC events.  They absolutely cannot control that.  As a Pro in the PDI it has no bearing on your NPC staus.  Ask Wayne we talked about it yesterday.  Now, what would probably happen though is Manion will be pissed off and make sure you don't do very well at their shows.  Or on the flip side they may make it so you win (deserved or not) just so you can then be an IFBB Pro and hopefully leave the PDI.  It is a crap shoot to be sure.

[240 is Back]

The PDI is a business- they are legally allowed to fire anyone at any time.  They can tell a guy like Bob Chick that he doesn't have the caliber of physique needed to compete at a pro level, and not let him in.  The IFBB (and master's O) has to let such a fussypot compete.

[kiwiol]

The PDI is a business- they are legally allowed to fire anyone at any time.  They can tell a guy like Bob Chick that he doesn't have the caliber of physique needed to compete at a pro level, and not let him in.  The IFBB (and master's O) has to let such a fussypot compete.

So Bob Chick doesnt have the caliber of physique to compete in the PDI ? I think so too, but for the opposing reason  . I think such will be the standards of the PDI that even someone like you would be able to place in the top 6

Then again even I dont want to underestimate the PDI THAT much 

[LifterChick]

The PDI is a business- they are legally allowed to fire anyone at any time.  They can tell a guy like Bob Chick that he doesn't have the caliber of physique needed to compete at a pro level, and not let him in.  The IFBB (and master's O) has to let such a fussypot compete.

Can somebody explain to me why this is a benefit for the Athletes competitors.   

This would be a really nice and neat way to get rid of trouble makers or union supporters.   

[onlyme]

I do know that in the PDI the BB's will have a better experience.  They will have the opportunity to travel and compete and win money.  There are plenty ofguys out there who could easily be in the IFBB who aren't and will do very well in the PDI.  Why be in an organization that you won't go anywhere in when now there is an alternative to be able to do something and get rewarded for all the hard work.  I don't see a downside.

[gordiano]

VGalanti, I'm not entirely familiar with your situation, but could it be that the IFBB only needs so many Pro bodybuilders to run all the Pro shows each year?

Could it be that too many Pros in one organization is not good for the overall functioning of that organization?

So in order to benefit the organization, they allow for more of less qualifiers on an as required basis.

Kind of like ajusting the Prime Interest Rate each quarter.

Allow more people to qualify as Pros where you need them and make it more difficult to qualify as a Pro where you don't.

Does anyone have any idea of the ideal number of Pros that would be needed to establish the perfect situation for a bodybuilding organization? A smaller number of Pros would allow for more and larger "payoffs" while a larger number of Pros would dilute the "pay-pool".

If the PDI is successful, they could be working with more Pros than are actually needed.

Ask Jaguar......she's got money making schemes down cold........