"Experts" say everyone is on the same amount of gear

[XS]

This thread is hilarious..  5-10-15%LOLOLOLOL  Not even close..   I don't care what Tom Prince says or any other "PRO".   It's 25% plus.  Even the genetic mutants like Paul Dillet and Ronnie and every other PRO...  Heck --- I have trained right with so-called "top amateurs"  and watched them BLOW the F-UP!!!   180-190 to 235-255 in one L-O-N-G cycle..  And  shrink back down after..  A** clowns all of them. God i used to crack up at these guys..  16 to 20 weeks on everything they can get their hands on, run out of money for any pct's of any kind and get sick and wilt like a dandelion on asphalt.. 

Funny stuff..

[Croatch]

f**k being natural.
Naturals are lame.

Let me know how great you look once the drugs stop.  Anyone can get jacked on gear, try it without, then talk to me about gains.

[bigbalddaddy]

I have no idea what Kevin Levrone's natural limit is. I was using the "195" figure to explain the calculation.


Again, Tom Prince, swolen juice monkey standing all of 5'7" was never anywhere near 230 natural. If you believe that, 240's got some swamp-land near his doublewide to sell you (and he'll throw in a $300 website for free!) 

Ronnie Coleman, standing 5' 11", with incredible genetics, and a decade of natural training I'd believe at 230. Tom Prince, no way!

Damn you G o a t b o y!  You stole the words right out of my mouth!  Tom Prince 230 natural.... , I guess he means just like he's 230 now!  Do you think they meant 130?  That is a better question!!!

[SLYY]

Let me know how great you look once the drugs stop.  Anyone can get jacked on gear, try it without, then talk to me about gains.

True, Croatch still looks great after his cycle....

[Oliver Klaushof]

I don't think these guys have the best genetics at all. I think they are part of an "elite" few that are willing to pump themselves with more drugs than any other group of "athletes." It's not genetics and training it's stupidity. I think Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, and Lee(since he ONLY uses deca are the exceptions to the rule.

Most train like shit, party, use recreational drugs, and wear shiny shirts. What more can be said? I see guys all the time with "bodybuilder genetics" and I think, "if that guy trained like Coleman he could just as good or better."

Tom Prince? please.. Titus? lol shitty diet, shitty, work ethic, tons of chemicals..

[Johnny Apollo]

I don't think these guys have the best genetics at all. I think they are part of an "elite" few that are willing to pump themselves with more drugs than any other group of "athletes." It's not genetics and training it's stupidity. I think Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, and Lee(since he ONLY uses deca are the exceptions to the rule. They train like shit, party, use recreational drugs, and wear shiny shirts. What more can be said? I see guys all the time with "bodybuilder genetics" and I think, "if that guy trained like Coleman he could just as good or better."

Tom Prince? please.. Titus? lol shitty diet, shitty, work ethic, tons of chemicals..

Recreational drugs? I highly doubt that.

[Croatch]

True, Croatch still looks great after his cycle....

Yeah, I took Super Dbol, it lasts 15 years on just a few shots.

[Oliver Klaushof]

actually, i have never heard any insider or person in the know ever make the claim that all pros use the same amounts. if anything, i have heard a hundred times that every pro and every bodybuilder is different and that what works for one wouldnt work for another. each person has their own favorites and does their own thing. some are heavy into growth and insulin and IGF. others are heavy into the basics of test, deca, and dbol. every person is different.

A while back, on the bodybuilder board, one of the poster here(a competing amateur according to him) said Pros that claim to use less than everyone else are liars. He said he competes and everyone is using everything. They are all on the same long list of drugs according to him - all the way down to the amateurs. He named names. This thread was deleted.

[Mr. Intenseone]

Recreational drugs? I highly doubt that.

"Recreational" drugs are the usual part of contest prep...that a fact!

[Oliver Klaushof]

Recreational drugs? I highly doubt that.

Cormier? Titus? lol

[SLYY]

Yeah, I took Super Dbol, it lasts 15 years on just a few shots.

After it wore off, you still look great.  That just shows that people who get off juice can keep some size and still look good.

[Mr. Intenseone]

Cormier? Titus? lol

And just about everyone in between!

[Johnny Apollo]

Cormier? Titus? lol

He used Priest,Cutler and Coleman as examples.

[Mr. Intenseone]

He used Priest,Cutler and Coleman as examples.

I did??

[unskinny]

You're right, for some pros, even that is an exaggeration. I know of one pro who only uses 100mg of test the last week before a contest.

Dude, that pro is full of shit and you are an idiot if you believe him, although I guess it could be true if he is supplementing with a stash of prohormones and the good stuff from GNC. 

Here is an actual precontest cycle of a pro.  It is about 3.5 GRAMS/week, not counting GH.
every other day
  100mg wv
  100mg master
  100mg primo
  100mg tren
daily
  50mg tab of primo tabs
  was 10ius gh, now to 5ius daily, once a day
  4 clens (double strength)
3 weeks out stopped eq, prop, and anavar.

1 week prior, stop everything but the wv.

Diuretics:
half tabs of dyazide and aldactide twice on Thursday and twice on Friday.

[Dnizneer]

Who needs gear, I've found something better. It's called
S.emi
P.ermiated
E.thylized
R.eactive
M.olecules

[Mr. Intenseone]

Who needs gear, I've found something better. It's called
S.emi
P.ermiated
E.thylized
R.eactive
M.olecules

M. ethamphetamine!

[pumpster]

Juiced to the gills pros use more than just steroids, though, and they have superior genetics. Ronnie Coleman was 220 before touching steroids and Tom Prince was 230. Lee Priest was already huge as a teenager. Not to mention that these guys usually train harder than the average person.

Train harder, like Bob Chick in those clips? An animal!

A 30-40 lb. difference for Schwarzenegger. Like a different person without them.

[LuciusFox]

Dude, that pro is full of shit and you are an idiot if you believe him, although I guess it could be true if he is supplementing with a stash of prohormones and the good stuff from GNC. 

Here is an actual precontest cycle of a pro.  It is about 3.5 GRAMS/week, not counting GH.
every other day
  100mg wv
  100mg master
  100mg primo
  100mg tren
daily
  50mg tab of primo tabs
  was 10ius gh, now to 5ius daily, once a day
  4 clens (double strength)
3 weeks out stopped eq, prop, and anavar.

1 week prior, stop everything but the wv.

Diuretics:
half tabs of dyazide and aldactide twice on Thursday and twice on Friday.

 Some pros claim to take these massive cycles so that if they are arrested they can claim it is personal use. I really doubt they take that much. A heavy cycle for a pro is more likely 1,000 mg a week. Also, a lot of these guys "blowing up" are gaining a lot of temporary water weight.

[Captain Equipoise]

Some pros claim to take these massive cycles so that if they are arrested they can claim it is personal use. I really doubt they take that much. A heavy cycle for a pro is more likely 1,000 mg a week. Also, a lot of these guys "blowing up" are gaining a lot of temporary water weight.

I'm sorry but you're delusional, I've talked in private with several pro's who've all pretty much told me that *I* should be taking at least 1500mg of test a WEEK to make good gains, this was advice given to me (I'm 6"0, 240) so just imagine how much test alone a guy that's 5"8 260 is taking... do the math. Also, Tom Prince 230lbs. naturally?? LOLOL... is that why he's about 140lbs. soaking wet right now??

[LuciusFox]

I'm sorry but you're delusional, I've talked in private with several pro's who've all pretty much told me that *I* should be taking at least 1500mg of test a WEEK to make good gains, this was advice given to me (I'm 6"0, 240) so just imagine how much test alone a guy that's 5"8 260 is taking... do the math. Also, Tom Prince 230lbs. naturally?? LOLOL... is that why he's about 140lbs. soaking wet right now??

 They told you to take that much because you don't have pro level genetics and you might have to. Some pros, like Lee Priest and Paul Dillett, take very little. It is well documented that Prince said he was 230 naturally. He is only so light now because of his health problems. I he were still healthy I guarantee he would a hard 220 clean.

[Mr. Intenseone]

Like cocaine?

Yes...But not cocain, usually an amphetamine like meth. Coke will cause a ton of water retention, amphetamines usually don't. Whether they (pro's) admit it or not it's out there and being used!

[Oliver Klaushof]

Lee Priest will never come on here comment on why he deleted the thread posted by a competing ameteur calling him on only using deca. Kids! You can be a pro on Deca alone! Great message!

[SLYY]

Lee Priest will never come on here comment on why he deleted the thread posted by a competing ameteur calling him on only using deca. Kids! You can be a pro on Deca alone! Great message!

All bodybuilders obviously use gear....let the kids learn young, that way they can decide if achieving a huge body or attempting to be a pro is really for them.....

[theworm]

Why does Lee not use test?  Doesn't make sense.  Image if he did, how huge he would be.  But whats the concept with no Test?