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« Reply #175 on: December 10, 2025, 12:19:09 AM »
Okay. Atheists often make a lot of assumptions — specifically about the underlying properties of the Universe. They take the existing framework as a given. But if you start with nothing, you can’t just assume the Universe will conveniently come with E = mc², gravity, hydrogen, helium, the strong and weak nuclear forces, or the precise conditions needed for star formation.

If the starting point is truly nothing, then where do these laws and constants come from? How do you “get” a Universe in which hydrogen clouds can collapse under gravity and ignite nuclear fusion to form stars? You can’t assume any of these attributes will simply pop into existence without an explanation.
I agree.

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« Reply #176 on: December 10, 2025, 04:27:02 AM »
"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a supernatural creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us with only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of God. I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
-- Dr. George Wald, Professor Emeritus of Biology at Harvard University, winner of the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine

Completely false. There might be many possibilities but something supernatural is not one of them.

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« Reply #177 on: December 10, 2025, 04:29:07 AM »
Completely false. There might be many possibilities but something supernatural is not one of them.
man was created by beings from other worlds.

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« Reply #178 on: December 10, 2025, 05:19:40 AM »
man was created by beings from other worlds.


No evidence for that so false.

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« Reply #179 on: December 10, 2025, 05:25:51 AM »

No evidence for that so false.
do some research ...

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« Reply #180 on: December 10, 2025, 10:50:18 AM »

No evidence for that so false.
a lack of evidence isnt a conclusion..

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« Reply #181 on: December 10, 2025, 04:22:36 PM »
Go to church and get right with God, go to a nondenominational church or Baptist church, glory to God

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« Reply #182 on: December 10, 2025, 07:44:17 PM »
a lack of evidence isnt a conclusion..

Stop the bullshit. No evidence = we conclude there are no aliens or anything supernatural until we do have hard evidence. So far nil. Of course the naive will believe almost anything.

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« Reply #183 on: December 10, 2025, 08:03:28 PM »
Stop the bullshit. No evidence = we conclude there are no aliens or anything supernatural until we do have hard evidence. So far nil. Of course the naive will believe almost anything.
You’re saying “no evidence = we conclude there’s no supernatural cause, no aliens, no anything.” But that logic cuts both ways. There is also no evidence that the Universe can arise from true nothing by purely natural processes. Not “a vacuum,” not “quantum fields,” not “energy fluctuations” — those aren’t nothing. Those are somethings.

If your position is that the Universe emerged naturally, you’re still assuming an unexplained starting point. That’s not evidence-based; it’s a philosophical preference  just like believing in a creator is a philosophical preference.

So if you reject the supernatural due to lack of evidence, you also have to reject “natural origins from nothing” for the same reason. Otherwise it’s not science you’re defending, it’s your personal worldview.

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« Reply #184 on: December 10, 2025, 10:02:57 PM »
Go to church and get right with God, go to a nondenominational church or Baptist church, glory to God

There is no evidence for God

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« Reply #185 on: Today at 12:54:35 AM »
There is no evidence for God
“No evidence for God”? The entire Universe is evidence. Claiming there’s no evidence is like walking out of a forest, seeing a perfectly built house, and insisting no one built it.

And it’s a bold claim to say “no evidence” when we still can’t explain how you get anything — laws of physics, energy, matter — from absolute nothing. If you can’t even explain the existence of the stage, you don’t get to declare there’s no evidence for the playwright.

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« Reply #186 on: Today at 05:18:51 AM »
There is no evidence for God

True. On the other hand, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The rest of this post isn't at you MuscleBuff. I'm just posting random thoughts on the topic to anyone who likes walls of text.

I'm inclined to see things the way Obsidian has been posting. At the fundamental level in our universe, we still have too many unexplained things to posit that we can be sure there is no god. I'm equally inclined to roll my eyes at those who assert there MUST be a god, as those who assert there absolutely is NO god. Only fools are certain (I'm not calling you or anyone a fool here...merely just throwing out pleasantries).

The fundamental wave equation for particles only describes what we observe, but an equation that describes observations at an average level of probabilities is itself not "fundamentally true"; it merely provides outcomes that match what we can "see".

We do not know the underlying nature of the fundamental fields from which the particle theory of quantum mechanics emerges. We fully admit that some of the key forces in our universe (dark energy) remain completely hidden to us. Dark matter shapes our galaxies, and remains hidden to us so we "fudge around it" and say "there's stuff we can't explain".

The JWT continues to capture images of galaxies that have redshifted so much that it strains the understanding of the Big Bang.

With so much yet still to "know", it seems premature to say that we can close the book on the existence of a god(s).

Figure this; the "gating" events of evolution of life on earth might have come down, fundamentally, to the development of eukaryotic cells. How finite an occurrence, that happened when it did? That one prokaryote ate another and instead of digesting it, became symbiotic with it? So random...and possible in an infinite universe. But can we be sure there wasn't a helping hand?

The Fermi Paradox gives me the ability to sleep at night. At its root, it wonders "in an infinite universe with near infinite galaxies and star systems and likelihood for potential habitable planets, where the fuck are all the aliens?". I like to think that if they're out there, and they came about when the universe was "younger" than it is now, then any contact they make with us will be hundreds of millions of years in the making and would have passed us by whilst we climbed out of the primordial ooze. Today, that same signal would be from a species so far advanced, they'd be indistinguishable from Gods, as far as we're concerned. The old "Prometheus" story from Hollywood, if you will.

If there are advanced species, and I believe they're likely out there, we are likely unable to understand them, and would likely experience them as gods if we could understand them. Just think; show something as banal as an iphone today to a man from the 1400's, and he'd say it was sorcery or maybe call you a god. And that's only 600 years or so. What would a species do with a million year head start, and how would we experience them? Or flip the example on its head; imagine you had a spacecraft and could travel to a distant star in a galaxy, found a planet, and saw that there were small nematodes and mosses on the planet. If those things had anything resembling a consciousness, wouldn't it be fair to say you would be seen as a "god" to those beings, if they had the ability to "experience your presence" at all?


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« Reply #187 on: Today at 09:27:02 AM »
Stop the bullshit. No evidence = we conclude there are no aliens or anything supernatural until we do have hard evidence. So far nil. Of course the naive will believe almost anything.

Thats not a logical skeptics viewpoint

Just because there isnt any evidence of Aliens doesnt mean there are none.

Evidence proves positive, no evidence isnt proof of a definite negative.

On the balance of probabilities there are no aliens based on the lack of evidence but its not a definite

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« Reply #188 on: Today at 10:16:32 AM »
“No evidence for God”? The entire Universe is evidence. Claiming there’s no evidence is like walking out of a forest, seeing a perfectly built house, and insisting no one built it.

And it’s a bold claim to say “no evidence” when we still can’t explain how you get anything — laws of physics, energy, matter — from absolute nothing. If you can’t even explain the existence of the stage, you don’t get to declare there’s no evidence for the playwright.

1. There is no such thing as a perfectly built house, get real
2. Nature / "the universe" is orders of magnitude less perfect than the engineered imperfect products built by men

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« Reply #189 on: Today at 11:16:38 AM »
1. There is no such thing as a perfectly built house, get real
2. Nature / "the universe" is orders of magnitude less perfect than the engineered imperfect products built by men
Whether a house is “perfect” or not doesn’t change the fact that it had a builder. Perfection was never the point — causation is.

And comparing the Universe to human engineering misses the scale entirely. Humans design within a Universe they didn’t create. You can’t use human imperfections to dismiss the origin of the system that makes human engineering possible in the first place.

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« Reply #190 on: Today at 11:17:55 AM »
https://wng.org/sift/elon-musk-says-he-believes-god-is-the-creator-1765378565

Elon Musk says he believes God is the creator

Elon Musk said he believes in God during a podcast episode released Tuesday evening. God is the creator, he said in an interview with Katie Miller, who is married to President Donald Trump’s top policy adviser, Stephen Miller. When the podcast host asked if Musk believed in God, he replied that he believed that this universe came from something. The tech billionaire said that people have different labels for what created the universe.

Later on in the episode, Musk said he thinks humanity is good overall. He then shifted to the question of how humans were formed. If humans and the universe did start out as a hydrogen gas cloud, then a person’s atoms could have been part of stars at different times, he said. Musk spoke on a variety of subjects, from artificial intelligence to immigration policies to Minnesota’s Rep. Ilhan Omar, during the interview.


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« Reply #191 on: Today at 11:19:14 AM »
Whether a house is “perfect” or not doesn’t change the fact that it had a builder. Perfection was never the point — causation is.

And comparing the Universe to human engineering misses the scale entirely. Humans design within a Universe they didn’t create. You can’t use human imperfections to dismiss the origin of the system that makes human engineering possible in the first place.
You are now arguing your previous post was nonsense, I see. Moving the goal post, the standard playbook

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« Reply #192 on: Today at 11:24:17 AM »
How to be a Christian apologist for dummies
-Build your entire identity around the Bible
-Ignore the fact nearly every sentence in the Bible is provably wrong
-Point out that the origin of the universe is not yet fully understood, therefore the God of your Bible full of proven lies did it
-Enjoy your flawless victory

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« Reply #193 on: Today at 11:31:47 AM »
You are now arguing your previous post was nonsense, I see. Moving the goal post, the standard playbook
You’re nitpicking a single adjective instead of addressing the argument.

“Perfectly built” in the analogy obviously means purposeful, structured, and built by design, not mathematically flawless. No one thinks human houses are literally perfect — yet we all agree they have builders.

Your entire response hinges on pretending I meant “perfect” in an absolute sense so you can dodge the actual point:

A house doesn’t need to be perfect to prove it was built, and the Universe doesn’t need to be perfect to require a cause.

If your argument depends on taking a metaphor literally, then you’re arguing with phrasing — not with the logic.

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« Reply #194 on: Today at 11:35:27 AM »
How to be a Christian apologist for dummies
-Build your entire identity around the Bible
-Ignore the fact nearly every sentence in the Bible is provably wrong
-Point out that the origin of the universe is not yet fully understood, therefore the God of your Bible full of proven lies did it
-Enjoy your flawless victory
Here’s your homework assignment:
You start with absolute nothing. Now give me a Universe.
No space, no time, no laws of physics, no matter, no energy. Nothing.

You have 10 years. Good luck.

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« Reply #195 on: Today at 11:37:09 AM »
You’re nitpicking a single adjective instead of addressing the argument.

“Perfectly built” in the analogy obviously means purposeful, structured, and built by design, not mathematically flawless. No one thinks human houses are literally perfect — yet we all agree they have builders.

Your entire response hinges on pretending I meant “perfect” in an absolute sense so you can dodge the actual point:

A house doesn’t need to be perfect to prove it was built, and the Universe doesn’t need to be perfect to require a cause.

If your argument depends on taking a metaphor literally, then you’re arguing with phrasing — not with the logic.

Why bring up a house in the first place, I don't get it. It's like the watch metaphor. If I found a watch or a house, yeah no fucking shit I would assume it was made by watch maker or house builder. Why? Because you know, I can actually see people making houses and watches with my eyes

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« Reply #196 on: Today at 11:38:01 AM »
Here’s your homework assignment:
You start with absolute nothing. Now give me a Universe.
No space, no time, no laws of physics, no matter, no energy. Nothing.

You have 10 years. Good luck.

See, my quick guide in action. Enjoy your flawless victory.

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« Reply #197 on: Today at 11:40:57 AM »
Why bring up a house in the first place, I don't get it. It's like the watch metaphor. If I found a watch or a house, yeah no fucking shit I would assume it was made by watch maker or house builder. Why? Because you know, I can actually see people making houses and watches with my eyes
So your argument is basically: “I’ve never seen a Universe being created, therefore it didn’t have a creator.”

By that logic you’d have to deny the Big Bang too. The Universe is ~13 billion years old, you’re not even 50 or 60 - right? And Universes don’t grow on trees where you can watch one form on your lunch break.

We only infer the Big Bang because of evidence, not because anyone saw it happen.

Same principle here:
You don’t need to personally witness a cause to acknowledge that something had one.

If “I didn’t see it happen” is your standard, then you’d have to throw out 99% of science and all of cosmology along with it.

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« Reply #198 on: Today at 11:44:19 AM »
So your argument is basically: “I’ve never seen a Universe being created, therefore it didn’t have a creator.”

By that logic you’d have to deny the Big Bang too. The Universe is ~13 billion years old, you’re not even 50 or 60 - right? And Universes don’t grow on trees where you can watch one form on your lunch break.

We only infer the Big Bang because of evidence, not because anyone saw it happen.

Same principle here:
You don’t need to personally witness a cause to acknowledge that something had one.

If “I didn’t see it happen” is your standard, then you’d have to throw out 99% of science and all of cosmology along with it.

No my argument is that whatever God created the universe would be so different from the God of the Bible (as nearly all of its contents have been debunked) that it may as well be an abstract force that might as well be called nature or "the force"

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« Reply #199 on: Today at 11:56:11 AM »
No my argument is that whatever God created the universe would be so different from the God of the Bible (as nearly all of its contents have been debunked) that it may as well be an abstract force that might as well be called nature or "the force"
I agree with that. I’m in the same camp as Elon Musk — there’s a Creator, but religions have just put different labels on it. I don’t get caught up in the various traditions or rituals, and I don’t see the Creator as a personal God.