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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2017, 02:24:46 PM »
Matt is a lightweight compared to this girl


Not human lol

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2017, 02:34:04 PM »
Cheat days like this were common back in the day. Start at 11:59am Saturday and End at 12:00pm Sunday.
I actually used this concept when I lost 70+ pounds. The whole point was to just enjoy the flavor going in, because most of it would just become excrement anyway. Cheat days are more for mental health then anything. It just provides another goal to strive for as well.

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2017, 04:01:14 PM »
Matt is a lightweight compared to this girl


I don't know why she doesn't compete head to head with them.

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2017, 05:08:07 PM »
I don't know why she doesn't compete head to head with them.

Cause men are superior to women in any form of athletics and she will get killed head to head  :D

Question is is she really a women?  ;D

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2017, 05:35:10 PM »
Cause men are superior to women in any form of athletics and she will get killed head to head  :D

Question is is she really a women?  ;D

she looks like a tranny but supposedly she has kids

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2017, 05:37:58 PM »
she looks like a tranny but supposedly she has kids
So does Bruce Jenner.

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2017, 06:01:20 PM »
What is it like to shit 22lbs of prime rib?  :-X

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2017, 06:03:10 PM »
What is it like to shit 22lbs of prime rib?  :-X
There is no reason to bring Wiggs into this.

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2017, 08:05:14 PM »
I actually used this concept when I lost 70+ pounds. The whole point was to just enjoy the flavor going in, because most of it would just become excrement anyway. Cheat days are more for mental health then anything. It just provides another goal to strive for as well.


Wrong. Cheat days are used in order to prevent thyroid from downregulating. Dieting will cause decrease in the production as well as conversion from t4 to t3. Takes about 12-15 days though... Not every week

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2017, 02:48:04 AM »
Your thyroid doesnt downregulate much the whole metabolism slowing down while dieting is pretty irrelevant, i guess it does slows down but not to the point you stop losing weight.
See the starvation experiment from the 40's they kept losing weight for the duration of the experiment (6 months) and all ended up like skeletons. They all got back to normal after.
Cheating is a mental relief and a training boost, the whole T3 thing is just rationalising it.

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2017, 04:09:49 AM »
Diabetes of peace.

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2017, 07:42:08 AM »
This shit is even more ridiculous, check out his carb up prior to the Prague show, 3 days of McDonalds 8 times a day, dude must have eaten 75 plus burgers and fries throughout the coarse of the 3 days, and why the fuck is he carbing up on burgers? The point of carbing up is carbs not fat/protein, at that point the focus should be tons of carbs, minimal protein, needs to hook up with Chad Nichols get him on tons of dates, banana, and apple pie filling.



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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2017, 01:48:41 PM »
Your thyroid doesnt downregulate much the whole metabolism slowing down while dieting is pretty irrelevant, i guess it does slows down but not to the point you stop losing weight.
See the starvation experiment from the 40's they kept losing weight for the duration of the experiment (6 months) and all ended up like skeletons. They all got back to normal after.
Cheating is a mental relief and a training boost, the whole T3 thing is just rationalising it.

Not rationalizing anything. I have cheat meals every 12 days for clients and every 14-16 days for myself when dieting because i have a faster metabolism.

I've had clients come to me who were just playing fucking fat and didn't know how to dye it and we're losing any weight and had been eating nothing but to fucking salads and half of a chicken wrap whatever the fuck that is per day it's still training doing cardio 4 or 5 days a week then all of a sudden throw in the cheat meal for them or and actually force them to eat more everyday and all of a sudden their body starts changing.. Finally. And they're amazed they're eating more and dropping bf and muscles start popping out (delts, traps, chest, triceps. Etc...).. Regular people that is. While theydnargued with me for weeks if not monthsnthat if they aTe more they'd get even fatter. Its especially evident with guys whondont have much of an appetite to begin with.

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2017, 01:52:06 PM »
After he eats all that food he must sleep like a baby...
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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2017, 03:36:52 AM »
Proof that modern bodybuiding is ALL DRUGS!!!! Zero to do with nutrition or training properly!!!


Not true.

You even watch the video ? Juan said he rarely does these types of cheats anymore.

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« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2017, 12:19:33 PM »
Not rationalizing anything. I have cheat meals every 12 days for clients and every 14-16 days for myself when dieting because i have a faster metabolism.

I've had clients come to me who were just playing fucking fat and didn't know how to dye it and we're losing any weight and had been eating nothing but to fucking salads and half of a chicken wrap whatever the fuck that is per day it's still training doing cardio 4 or 5 days a week then all of a sudden throw in the cheat meal for them or and actually force them to eat more everyday and all of a sudden their body starts changing.. Finally. And they're amazed they're eating more and dropping bf and muscles start popping out (delts, traps, chest, triceps. Etc...).. Regular people that is. While theydnargued with me for weeks if not monthsnthat if they aTe more they'd get even fatter. Its especially evident with guys whondont have much of an appetite to begin with.
Why do you think that is? That you increased calories and their bodies improved cosmetically.

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2017, 12:32:13 PM »
Not rationalizing anything. I have cheat meals every 12 days for clients and every 14-16 days for myself when dieting because i have a faster metabolism.

I've had clients come to me who were just playing fucking fat and didn't know how to dye it and we're losing any weight and had been eating nothing but to fucking salads and half of a chicken wrap whatever the fuck that is per day it's still training doing cardio 4 or 5 days a week then all of a sudden throw in the cheat meal for them or and actually force them to eat more everyday and all of a sudden their body starts changing.. Finally. And they're amazed they're eating more and dropping bf and muscles start popping out (delts, traps, chest, triceps. Etc...).. Regular people that is. While theydnargued with me for weeks if not monthsnthat if they aTe more they'd get even fatter. Its especially evident with guys whondont have much of an appetite to begin with.

Spot on. When I dieted for both shows I did, and last year just to lean out for the summer, I would go without cheats for about 6 weeks, then have my first cheat day and completely change from being flat to full and striated. After that, I would have a cheat meal once a week (skipload style).
I also coached a few girls for bikini and figure and had the same thing happen with them. One girl who's a close friend of mine came to me because she was gaining weight without changing diet or training. I told her to eat a burger and fries, she refused, so we settled on lean ground beef and white rice. The next day she was down 2lbs and no bloat. I'm certain this has something to do with hormones. Whether thyroid or estrogen or both (most likely both for women).
An influx in calories definitely stimulates the thyroid, cortisol, and probably a whole bunch of others (I'm not a doctor, so I can only assume).

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2017, 12:33:56 PM »
Spot on. When I dieted for both shows I did, and last year just to lean out for the summer, I would go without cheats for about 6 weeks, then have my first cheat day and completely change from being flat to full and striated. After that, I would have a cheat meal once a week (skipload style).
I also coached a few girls for bikini and figure and had the same thing happen with them. One girl who's a close friend of mine came to me because she was gaining weight without changing diet or training. I told her to eat a burger and fries, she refused, so we settled on lean ground beef and white rice. The next day she was down 2lbs and no bloat. I'm certain this has something to do with hormones. Whether thyroid or estrogen or both (most likely both for women).
An influx in calories definitely stimulates the thyroid, cortisol, and probably a whole bunch of others (I'm not a doctor, so I can only assume).

its called carbing up...

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2017, 12:35:26 PM »
its called carbing up...

I know... I'm just saying that it's gotta be hormonal (as well as acting on pulling water into the muscle, which is what a carb-up is supposed to do).

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2017, 12:40:44 PM »
Does this work the same when using 100 t3 daily and some ephedrine on top of that ?
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« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2017, 12:41:12 PM »
I know... I'm just saying that it's gotta be hormonal (as well as acting on pulling water into the muscle, which is what a carb-up is supposed to do).
its also the sodium in the food you eat on carb days that allow the muscle to hold all the water and tighten you up.

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2017, 01:13:17 PM »
Spot on. When I dieted for both shows I did, and last year just to lean out for the summer, I would go without cheats for about 6 weeks, then have my first cheat day and completely change from being flat to full and striated. After that, I would have a cheat meal once a week (skipload style).
I also coached a few girls for bikini and figure and had the same thing happen with them. One girl who's a close friend of mine came to me because she was gaining weight without changing diet or training. I told her to eat a burger and fries, she refused, so we settled on lean ground beef and white rice. The next day she was down 2lbs and no bloat. I'm certain this has something to do with hormones. Whether thyroid or estrogen or both (most likely both for women).
An influx in calories definitely stimulates the thyroid, cortisol, and probably a whole bunch of others (I'm not a doctor, so I can only assume).

Carbs bring in 10x their weight in water into the muscle. (Figure 1grams of glucose goes into muscle, then pulls 10grams of water along with) So zero carbs means no carbs to pull and hold water in muscles. Which is why with me personally if I don't eat carbs at all for 3 days, ill drop 15-18lbs. I normally eat 500-700+g carbs per day so cutting carbs causes a huge response.... Then reintroducing carbs along with water, the muscle "reinflates" and holds onto everything that comes in.

I remember "skiploading" back in 2002 and him being one of the first guys to talk about the "fat pump" from carbing up with fatty carbs.. Pizza burgers etc... Andnthen Kamali co-signing the practice/theory.

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2017, 01:19:48 PM »
Carbs bring in 10x their weight in water into the muscle. (Figure 1grams of glucose goes into muscle, then pulls 10grams of water along with) So zero carbs means no carbs to pull and hold water in muscles. Which is why with me personally if I don't eat carbs at all for 3 days, ill drop 15-18lbs. I normally eat 500-700+g carbs per day so cutting carbs causes a huge response.... Then reintroducing carbs along with water, the muscle "reinflates" and holds onto everything that comes in.

I remember "skiploading" back in 2002 and him being one of the first guys to talk about the "fat pump" from carbing up with fatty carbs.. Pizza burgers etc... Andnthen Kamali co-signing the practice/theory.

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Did u know that for every 1 g of carbs you consume, your body holds roughly 3 g of water & that breaking down 1 lb into grams is about 454 g? So, if someone consumes, say 200 g of carbs a day, that's about 600 g of water, which can explain the nearly 2 lbs of water weight you gain by the end of the day. This is why low carb diets were popular for a while but don't obsess! Complex carbs provide energy & brain food!!

She is an experienced personal trainer and fitness competitor, Im sure she knows best...

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Re: Juan Morel new cheat day vid 20k plus calories
« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2017, 01:51:36 PM »
Jamie Eason says different
She is an experienced personal trainer and fitness competitor, Im sure she knows best...

Using that math would mean I should be eating 900g carbs everyday, if not more, since i drop 18lbs of water in 3 days.

Idiot. Keep trolling.

"She's an experienced personal trainer.." hahaha... While ive been others and earning a living doing since before she ever picked up a copy of Muscle&Fitness Hers and decided to take a spin class.