Health Care Legislation Stalls in the Senate

[Straw Man]

This is great that it didn't pass! At least there are a few moral individuals in the Republican Party left, unlike the Democratic Party.

very good that it didn't pass

Now they can write up the legislation that gives everyone all the things that Trump promised

[Straw Man]

This is great that it didn't pass! At least there are a few moral individuals in the Republican Party left, unlike the Democratic Party.

just so we're clear, there was no vote so saying it didn't pass is not accurate

It was opposed by some Republican and ALL Democrats so in this one case the Republican rose to the level of Democrats

[Soul Crusher]

just so we're clear, there was no vote so saying it didn't pass is not accurate

It was opposed by some Republican and ALL Democrats so in this one case the Republican rose to the level of Democrats

Yeah because its not a real repeals of communist Kenya garbageCare

[Primemuscle]

You mean unlike Obamacare where there was no negotiation and just rammed down our throats despite overwhelming rejection of it? "You can read after it passes" face it, it was purposely set up to fail as an attempt to create a single payer

1993: Health care takes center stage

President Bill Clinton took on an ill-fated effort to reform health care in 1993. As the president’s task force (led by First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton) worked behind closed doors to craft solutions to ever-rising health care costs and a growing number of uninsured families, Republicans scrambled to forge an alternative.

Republican Sen. John Chafee of Rhode Island was the point man. The bill he introduced, Health Equity and Access Reform Today, (yes, that spells HEART) had a list of 20 co-sponsors that was a who’s who of Republican leadership. There was Minority Leader Bob Dole, R- Kan., Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and many others. There also were two Democratic co-sponsors.

Among other features, the Chafee bill included:

An individual mandate;

Creation of purchasing pools;

Standardized benefits;

Vouchers for the poor to buy insurance;

A ban on denying coverage based on a pre-existing condition.

"You would find a great deal of similarity to provisions in the Affordable Care Act," Sheila Burke, Dole’s chief of staff in 1993, told PunditFact via email. "The guys were way ahead of the times!! Different crowd, different time, suffice it to say."

Qualls said the Affordable Care Act "was the Republican plan in the '90s." The bill she had in mind did have a strong roster of Republicans behind it, and it did share many major features with the Affordable Care Act. There were some significant differences but in a side-by-side comparison, the similarities dominate.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/

[Soul Crusher]

Chafee was hardly a real republican

1993: Health care takes center stage

President Bill Clinton took on an ill-fated effort to reform health care in 1993. As the president’s task force (led by First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton) worked behind closed doors to craft solutions to ever-rising health care costs and a growing number of uninsured families, Republicans scrambled to forge an alternative.

Republican Sen. John Chafee of Rhode Island was the point man. The bill he introduced, Health Equity and Access Reform Today, (yes, that spells HEART) had a list of 20 co-sponsors that was a who’s who of Republican leadership. There was Minority Leader Bob Dole, R- Kan., Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and many others. There also were two Democratic co-sponsors.

Among other features, the Chafee bill included:

An individual mandate;

Creation of purchasing pools;

Standardized benefits;

Vouchers for the poor to buy insurance;

A ban on denying coverage based on a pre-existing condition.

"You would find a great deal of similarity to provisions in the Affordable Care Act," Sheila Burke, Dole’s chief of staff in 1993, told PunditFact via email. "The guys were way ahead of the times!! Different crowd, different time, suffice it to say."

Qualls said the Affordable Care Act "was the Republican plan in the '90s." The bill she had in mind did have a strong roster of Republicans behind it, and it did share many major features with the Affordable Care Act. There were some significant differences but in a side-by-side comparison, the similarities dominate.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/

[Nick Danger]

Chafee was hardly a real republican

There was Minority Leader Bob Dole, R- Kan., Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and many others. There also were two Democratic co-sponsors.

Was Dole or Hatch or Grassley?

That was at a time when politicians seemed to care more about American people  than their political parties.

[Soul Crusher]

There was Minority Leader Bob Dole, R- Kan., Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and many others. There also were two Democratic co-sponsors.

Was Dole or Hatch or Grassley?

That was at a time when politicians seemed to care more about American people  than their political parties.

Bi-Partisan usually means both are joining in on the screw job together. 

[Primemuscle]

Bi-Partisan usually means both are joining in on the screw job together.  

Isn't that what many politicians from both sides of the fence do?


Needs medical insurance for this pre-existing condition.

[mazrim]

just so we're clear, there was no vote so saying it didn't pass is not accurate

It was opposed by some Republican and ALL Democrats so in this one case the Republican rose to the level of Democrats

As soon as I posted that I knew that you would pick that out. Something that has no relevance in reality.

The second half of your next sentence is not accurate. They haven't quite sunk that low yet but they are getting there. Lee, Cruz, Paul still have some backbone/honesty left.

[LurkerNoMore]

You mean unlike Obamacare where there was no negotiation and just rammed down our throats despite overwhelming rejection of it? "You can read after it passes" face it, it was purposely set up to fail as an attempt to create a single payer

Dumb ass.  You work hard at being so dumb or does it come naturally for you?

[LurkerNoMore]

Is it true that Mitch McCoward pulled his support regarding his own healthcare bill at the end?

[Straw Man]

As soon as I posted that I knew that you would pick that out. Something that has no relevance in reality.

The second half of your next sentence is not accurate. They haven't quite sunk that low yet but they are getting there. Lee, Cruz, Paul still have some backbone/honesty left.

glad to see you admit that your chosen words have no relevance to reality

[Fuzzy Nuts]

well now that "repealing and replacing the disaster known as Obamacare ... it's going to be so easy" ain't happening, at least Trump's delivering on his other major campaign promise of building a wall with Mexico paying for it.

ouch

[Fuzzy Nuts]

As soon as I posted that I knew that you would pick that out. Something that has no relevance in reality.

The second half of your next sentence is not accurate. They haven't quite sunk that low yet but they are getting there. Lee, Cruz, Paul still have some backbone/honesty left.

There's no defense for this. When a republican does the same thing as a democrat, the republican is a hero and the democrat is wrong. Good night.

[Coach is Back!]

Anyone who was dumb enough to vote for Trump is a Trumptard for life

They were actually Trumptards from birth

Being a Trumptard is a pre-existing condition

Seriously? You were going to vote for Bernie Sanders....derp!

[Coach is Back!]

Dumb ass.  You work hard at being so dumb or does it come naturally for you?

Wasn't even close to what I was referring too but go ahead and spin it anyway

[LurkerNoMore]

Wasn't even close to what I was referring too but go ahead and spin it anyway

Pesky little facts.   Hurt your little brain.

[Straw Man]

Wasn't even close to what I was referring too but go ahead and spin it anyway

it's nearly a bulls eye to what you were referring to

the only thing he forgot to mention is that the Senate Republicans drafted their bill in secret not even letting most members of their own party in on the process

[Nick Danger]

Wasn't even close to what I was referring too but go ahead and spin it anyway

Pretty much exactly what you were referring to...

[LurkerNoMore]

Pretty much exactly what you were referring to...

Exactly.  He tried this EXACT same argument in two other threads and when I posted that, he said the same thing.  "Wasn't what I was referring to".

Apparently it is possible for a person to be so stupid, that they don't even know they are stupid and wonder why they always miss the obvious.  Coach simply regurgitates talking points that he can't understand in the first place. 

[Primemuscle]

Is it true that Mitch McCoward pulled his support regarding his own healthcare bill at the end?

Haven't heard that. I believe he pulled the bill because there were not enough votes to pass it. At least three Republican legislators publicly said they wouldn't vote to pass it.

WASHINGTON — One day after President Trump declared he wanted to let the current health care law fail, he pressed Republican senators to agree to an alternative plan to replace Obamacare before taking any August recess.

"I don't think we should leave town unless we have a health insurance plan," Trump said during a White House lunch attended by 49 of the 52 Republican senators. "We shouldn't leave town until this is complete, until this bill is on my desk."

But Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., was already hedging about whether that's possible.

He promised to hold a vote next week to debate a bill to simply repeal Obamacare – without a replacement – but it's not clear whether he even has the votes to do that. 

"It's pretty obvious we've had difficulty in getting 50 votes," McConnell said.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/19/donald-trump-hosts-republicans-lunch-hash-out-health-care-plan/491299001/

[jude2]

THey need to have the vote so people know how they voted, so we can vote the no's out of office.

[mazrim]

There's no defense for this. When a republican does the same thing as a democrat, the republican is a hero and the democrat is wrong. Good night.

What are you babbling about? The republicans I named did not support either crap bill. Your heroes did and started this mess. You and your party are complete sheep. Republicans have a few left that are not.

Your post makes no sense. No defense for not supporting junk bills? I guess in your world you should do what your party says even if they are wrong.

Both parties are terrible at this point except your complete allegiance goes to yours. Embarrassing. You are getting close to Grasping type levels recently.

[mazrim]

glad to see you admit that your chosen words have no relevance to reality

Glad to see you have no defense for your inaccurate statement.

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Glad to see you have no defense for your inaccurate statement.

Oh the irony