Why are Ronnie's calves so small?

[alexxx]

Ronnie and other black people are just lazy when it comes to training calves properly. Hope this answers your question.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yeah but his WHOLE BODY changed after working with chad...
ronnie from 1997 looks nothing like Ronnie 2003  for example.
The calves have grown, but have never had shape.

Problem of course is, that his thighs turned into small hondas so even Dorian's calves would have looked tiny if they were on Ronnie's thighs..

Yes thats called poor balance & porportion its a major weakness , having strong bodyparts only amplifies weak ones , no wise .

[Dnizneer]

His calves are probably the same size as all of your quads.

[donrhummy]

Ronnie and other black people are just lazy when it comes to training calves properly. Hope this answers your question.

I completely disagree. Shawn Ray had high calves but he pounded the hell out of them and built some damn good calves.

[alexxx]

I meant most black bodybuilders that have crappy calves don't train them properly. Ofcourse their are a few exceptions.

[Hulkster]

Yes thats called poor balance & porportion its a major weakness , having strong bodyparts only amplifies weak ones , no wise .

but no one, not even the judges themselves thinks that having poor calves is a "major" weakness when the rest of your body is amazing.

You are the only one that thinks that.  Don't forget that

And besides, its not nearly as bad as having a poor taper, poor quads, poor delts, and poor arms now is it?

[LuciusFox]

but no one, not even the judges themselves thinks that having poor calves is a "major" weakness when the rest of your body is amazing.

You are the only one that thinks that.  Don't forget that

And besides, its not nearly as bad as having a poor taper, poor quads, poor delts, and poor arms now is it?

 ND is stuck in a parallel universe where people like Steve Reeves and Dorian Yates equally

[dontknowit]

I meant most black bodybuilders that have crappy calves don't train them properly. Ofcourse their are a few exceptions.

And how many white people have great calves?

[KevinP85]

And how many white people have great calves?

Lee Priest, Dorian, Nasser, Mike Matarrazzo, Mike Francios, Jay Cutler, Art Atwood, Markus Ruhl, Gunther, etc....... Even amatuer bodybuilder from Britain James Lewis.

[Ursus]

louisiana looks small next to texas...

[LuciusFox]

Lee Priest, Dorian, Nasser, Mike Matarrazzo, Mike Francios, Jay Cutler, Art Atwood, Markus Ruhl, Gunther, etc....... Even amatuer bodybuilder from Britain James Lewis.

 Half of those people aren't white.

[FREAKgeek]

So what are you trying to say? Black people rather go on welfare than train their calves?

[Hugh G. Reqshun]

Yes thats called poor balance & porportion its a major weakness , having strong bodyparts only amplifies weak ones , no wise .

That's a valid point you make there. So many guys here will jump on some 'pro or amateur' BBer if a bodypart wasn't up to scratch.

I like the way the guys here will say something on the lines of, "'x' has no arms, he's shit!" or "Why should 'x' place so high when he hasn't got any calves" only to defend Mr' O's lack of calf size.

Having strong bodyparts DOES amplify weaker ones...maybe the judges overlook this with Ronnie? Then isn't BBing suppose to be about the complete package? Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

- Hugh G. Reqshun

[LuciusFox]

Well if you get specific there are only two races white and black and all those men fall into the white category.  All of their ethnicities are of white people so I don't understand how you can make that statement.

 Maybe you meant "Caucasian", because many of them were not "white"

[KevinP85]

I see no difference, Caucasian and white are the same thing. It's just more specific. Those people that are listed are of European decent and some are directly living in Europe so they are as white as they come.

[ANAL DISCHARGE]

Ronnie's calves are far from small.  They are a huge mass of scar tissue.

[LuciusFox]

I see no difference, Caucasian and white are the same thing. It's just more specific. Those people that are listed are of European decent and some are directly living in Europe so they are as white as they come.

 White is a fluid term that describes the socio-biological construct of race. Caucasian is a purely biological term describing ancestry

[KevinP85]

Doesn't matter, either way you look at it, they are all white/caucasian.

[LuciusFox]

Doesn't matter, either way you look at it, they are all white/caucasian.

 Those aren't the same thing People from India are considered to be Caucasian, but they are not "white" 

[LuciusFox]

True but the previously mentioned BBers are all white.

 Nasser is not "white"

[KevinP85]

So since I am white, I am not considered caucasian then, right???

[KevinP85]

Nasser is not "white"

Well, you said half are not white, which ones would that be?

[KevinP85]

Well, since Dorian, Ruhl, and Gunther are european. They should be classified as WHITE europeans. So therefore they are white!!

[LuciusFox]

Well, you said half are not white, which ones would that be?

 White makes sense to say when someone is the same nationality, because race is seen differently in different countries, but it fails in an international sense. You might consider a person from Africa to be black, but Africans do not consider black Americans as being the same as they are. Race fails outside of certain specific circumstances.

 The European guys on that list are European, not white as they would be in they were born in America or another country. White European and white are not the same thing.

[KevinP85]

White makes sense to say when someone is the same nationality, because race is seen differently in different countries, but it fails in an international sense. You might consider a person from Africa to be black, but Africans do not consider black Americans as being the same as they are. Race fails outside of certain specific circumstances.

 The European guys on that list are European, not white as they would be in they were born in America or another country. White European and white are not the same thing.

In all honesty I see where you're getting at. But, to say europeans are not white is ludacris.( Majority are) And in Europe( as in Britain) they are considered "white europeans," not necessary caucasian because like you said indians and even south east asians are considered caucasians. But in the US caucasian is a term that is used to describe white americans. Anyways, if the Africans don't consider the blacks in america the same as they are, they are STILL black nonetheless. Just not black africans from africa but black americans.