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Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« on: April 25, 2018, 03:35:32 PM »
For some perspective here is Donalds Trumps opinion on doing this

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"If you are not guilty of a crime, what do you need immunity for?" Trump said at a campaign rally in Florida in September.

"The mob takes the Fifth Amendment," Trump said at a campaign event in Iowa later that month. "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"

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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2018, 04:35:12 PM »
For some perspective here is Donalds Trumps opinion on doing this


Sooooo many things come back to haunt the man, but in this day and age of Enquirer readers and Duck Dynasty, it just doesn't matter. Hypocrisy only applies to the other guys

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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2018, 04:39:06 PM »
Sooooo many things come back to haunt the man, but in this day and age of Enquirer readers and Duck Dynasty, it just doesn't matter. Hypocrisy only applies to the other guys

Trump also called taking the 5th "disgraceful"




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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2018, 05:09:20 PM »
Its Cohen not Trump taking the 5th, Trump has said nowt on this.
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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2018, 05:17:57 PM »
For some perspective here is Donalds Trumps opinion on doing this


I'm sorry, where were you when shitbag Lois Lerner plead the 5th over IRS tageting of Republicans, you Bellevue nut case?

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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2018, 05:29:28 PM »
I'm sorry, where were you when shitbag Lois Lerner plead the 5th over IRS tageting of Republicans, you Bellevue nut case?

Disgraceful

Don't you agree

Just like Flynn and Cohen


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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2018, 05:32:05 PM »
Disgraceful

Don't you agree

Just like Flynn and Cohen



Flynn was set up and coersed. Again, where you speaking out against Lerner when it happened?

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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2018, 06:04:44 PM »
Flynn was set up and coersed. Again, where you speaking out against Lerner when it happened?

Oh my f'ing god! A freaking General coerced? Hahahahaha

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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2018, 07:20:06 PM »
Flynn was set up and coersed. Again, where you speaking out against Lerner when it happened?

weird that Flynn's own lawyers allowed him to be "set up and coerced"

why do you think they did that ?

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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2018, 07:32:29 PM »
weird that Flynn's own lawyers allowed him to be "set up and coerced"

why do you think they did that ?

Still Wednesday... and he is trying to top himself already

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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2018, 09:01:55 PM »
So?
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2018, 09:26:41 PM »
Oh my f'ing god! A freaking General coerced? Hahahahaha

Are you saying he didn’t plead guilty to protect his son?

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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2018, 09:33:28 PM »
Are you saying he didn’t plead guilty to protect his son?

I'm saying you will make up excuses for anything from that administration. He PLEAD GUILTY. It might have been to keep his cover as an alien from another planet. It could have been because the CIA needs him to in order to pull off some extravagant plot, it may even be part of an elaborate April Fools joke, but it is most likely, based on the evidence and information available, that he was GUILTY and was looking at some serious charges and potential time.  

"The culpability of and potential charges against Flynn’s son, based on public reports, is less clear. Media reports identify Flynn’s son as the Chief of Staff and principal aide to his father at Flynn Intel Group, his father’s consulting and lobbying firm. Reporting further reflects that Flynn’s son attended a December 2015 dinner in Moscow with his father, who sat at a table with Russia’s President; that Russian television network RT paid for Flynn’s son’s travel to Moscow, and RT begrudgingly registered in early November 2017 as a foreign agent under FARA; Flynn Intel Group received $530,000 for work benefitting the Turkish government; and work for Turkish interests relating to Fethullah Gulen, the United States resident Turkish cleric accused of fomenting an attempted coup in 2016. Flynn’s son’s attending meetings and communicating with clients are not, of themselves, criminal offenses. Rather, prosecutors will need evidence of Flynn’s son’s actual intentional participation in criminal acts or his intentionally conspiring with his father to commit a criminal act, in order to bring criminal charges. However, the elder Flynn’s legal team having stopped communicating with the President’s legal defense team may suggest that prosecutors have expressed privately their intent to bring such charges against Flynn and his son, and that they may be negotiating a resolution.

In order for the Special Counsel to threaten and actually bring criminal charges against Flynn’s son, the prosecutors must believe, as set forth in the United States Attorney’ Manual (USAM), that Flynn’s son’s “conduct constitutes a criminal offense, the admissible evidence will probably be sufficient to obtain and sustain a conviction and that a substantial federal interest would be served by the prosecution.” Normally, DOJ policy would disfavor leveraging one close family member against another. The Flynn scenario, however, falls expressly within an exception. That is “specific justification exists, among other circumstances, where (i) the witness and the relative participated in a common business enterprise and the testimony to be elicited relates to that enterprise or its activities; (ii) the testimony to be elicited relates to illegal conduct in which there is reason to believe that both the witness and the relative were active participants; or (iii) testimony to be elicited relates to a crime involving overriding prosecutorial concerns.” Mueller’s team need not look beyond the three alternative justifications – any one is sufficient for the exception to apply; meanwhile, all three expressly apply to the father-son Flynns."

They had Flynn, they may have had his son. His guilty plea even if it was to spare his son, doesn't negate the fact he and possibly his son conspired in criminal acts. You can claim all you want to that it was coercion. The information indicates he was caught and made a deal.   

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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2018, 09:56:21 PM »
I'm saying you will make up excuses for anything from that administration. He PLEAD GUILTY. It might have been to keep his cover as an alien from another planet. It could have been because the CIA needs him to in order to pull off some extravagant plot, it may even be part of an elaborate April Fools joke, but it is most likely, based on the evidence and information available, that he was GUILTY and was looking at some serious charges and potential time.  

"The culpability of and potential charges against Flynn’s son, based on public reports, is less clear. Media reports identify Flynn’s son as the Chief of Staff and principal aide to his father at Flynn Intel Group, his father’s consulting and lobbying firm. Reporting further reflects that Flynn’s son attended a December 2015 dinner in Moscow with his father, who sat at a table with Russia’s President; that Russian television network RT paid for Flynn’s son’s travel to Moscow, and RT begrudgingly registered in early November 2017 as a foreign agent under FARA; Flynn Intel Group received $530,000 for work benefitting the Turkish government; and work for Turkish interests relating to Fethullah Gulen, the United States resident Turkish cleric accused of fomenting an attempted coup in 2016. Flynn’s son’s attending meetings and communicating with clients are not, of themselves, criminal offenses. Rather, prosecutors will need evidence of Flynn’s son’s actual intentional participation in criminal acts or his intentionally conspiring with his father to commit a criminal act, in order to bring criminal charges. However, the elder Flynn’s legal team having stopped communicating with the President’s legal defense team may suggest that prosecutors have expressed privately their intent to bring such charges against Flynn and his son, and that they may be negotiating a resolution.

In order for the Special Counsel to threaten and actually bring criminal charges against Flynn’s son, the prosecutors must believe, as set forth in the United States Attorney’ Manual (USAM), that Flynn’s son’s “conduct constitutes a criminal offense, the admissible evidence will probably be sufficient to obtain and sustain a conviction and that a substantial federal interest would be served by the prosecution.” Normally, DOJ policy would disfavor leveraging one close family member against another. The Flynn scenario, however, falls expressly within an exception. That is “specific justification exists, among other circumstances, where (i) the witness and the relative participated in a common business enterprise and the testimony to be elicited relates to that enterprise or its activities; (ii) the testimony to be elicited relates to illegal conduct in which there is reason to believe that both the witness and the relative were active participants; or (iii) testimony to be elicited relates to a crime involving overriding prosecutorial concerns.” Mueller’s team need not look beyond the three alternative justifications – any one is sufficient for the exception to apply; meanwhile, all three expressly apply to the father-son Flynns."

They had Flynn, they may have had his son. His guilty plea even if it was to spare his son, doesn't negate the fact he and possibly his son conspired in criminal acts. You can claim all you want to that it was coercion. The information indicates he was caught and made a deal.   

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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2018, 10:12:51 PM »
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobfrenkel/2017/11/27/will-michael-flynn-plead-guilty-and-cooperate-to-protect-his-son/#55462df914fe

Good. I was hoping you would post this. This was just one of the articles I was referring too. So what’s your point? Hypothetically....

Mueller: “You plead guilt and we won’t fuck with your son”

Flynn (a father): “K”

At this point Flynn has lost almost everything including his home to pay for legals bills. Mueller financially ruined his life.....for fucking nothing.

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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2018, 10:17:43 PM »
Good. I was hoping you would post this. This was just one of the articles I was referring too. So what’s your point? Hypothetically....

Mueller: “You plead guilt and we won’t fuck with your son”

Flynn (a father): “K”

At this point Flynn has lost almost everything including his home to pay for legals bills. Mueller financially ruined his life.....for fucking nothing.

There are other articles and information that suggest rather strongly that Mueller had more than enough to indict Flynn. In other words the evidence was compelling that Flynn was guilty. If he said fine, I'll plead guilty to this charge and agree to accept responsibility for ALL of it, including the things you have on my son, then we have a deal. That certainly may have happened. But that isn't to say Flynn is innocent and just agreed to plead guilty on the off chance they would go after his son, who was also innocent as a lamb. That might be what you want to believe, but that isn't reality. They had Flynn dead to rights, he was going to get indicted and he knew it. So he cut a deal. 

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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2018, 10:21:23 PM »
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pence-i-knew-flynn-lied-to-me-about-russian-contacts-when-he-was-fired/

Pence said Flynn lied to him. Flynn apparently wasn't above not telling the truth. Accept it Coach.. Flynn plead guilty because he was guilty


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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2018, 10:01:11 AM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/michael-flynn-guilty-plea-questions-raised-about-fbi-robert-mueller-investigation/amp/

I read this article before. couple things... One the national review, we can agree is right wing. The author is far right leaning.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/national-review/

Next, his basis for Flynn being framed, coerced, railroaded is this. The person interviewing Flynn felt he was telling the truth. From a laymans point of view this seems pretty compelling. Later, the prosecutors still went after Flynn for lying. How can that be possible right? Must be political!

Not really. Having been involved in countless investigations myself, I can certainly see this as not uncommon. Often times the interviewers don't have all the information pertaining to the case and are asking a set of agreed upon questions. A couple real possibilities easily explain this without it being a conspiracy. 1. Like I said, the interviewers didn't know all the facts of the case and evidence available at the time they interviewed Flynn. Flynn probably came across as upfront and candid. The interviewer reporting that he felt Flynn was not lying may have been his honest assessment. "He seemed like he was telling the truth to me"
2. After the interview new evidence or information came to light that contradicted what Flynn said and it was obvious he lied. Those are two scenarios that are more likely than any conspiracy.  The fact Flynn lied to Pence and was fired for it adds to that scenario.

But if you want to continue to believe in the coercion theory because it helps you sleep at night, I can't change that and honestly, no amount of evidence would. I just find it highly hypocritical that Hillary underwent about 9 republican spearheaded investigations and they were unable to pin anything on her, yet you believe she is guilty.. and Flynn, who admitted he lied, plead guilty, had a pattern of lying about his russian ties, is innocent.   

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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2018, 10:17:45 AM »
I read this article before. couple things... One the national review, we can agree is right wing. The author is far right leaning.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/national-review/

Next, his basis for Flynn being framed, coerced, railroaded is this. The person interviewing Flynn felt he was telling the truth. From a laymans point of view this seems pretty compelling. Later, the prosecutors still went after Flynn for lying. How can that be possible right? Must be political!

Not really. Having been involved in countless investigations myself, I can certainly see this as not uncommon. Often times the interviewers don't have all the information pertaining to the case and are asking a set of agreed upon questions. A couple real possibilities easily explain this without it being a conspiracy. 1. Like I said, the interviewers didn't know all the facts of the case and evidence available at the time they interviewed Flynn. Flynn probably came across as upfront and candid. The interviewer reporting that he felt Flynn was not lying may have been his honest assessment. "He seemed like he was telling the truth to me"
2. After the interview new evidence or information came to light that contradicted what Flynn said and it was obvious he lied. Those are two scenarios that are more likely than any conspiracy.  The fact Flynn lied to Pence and was fired for it adds to that scenario.

But if you want to continue to believe in the coercion theory because it helps you sleep at night, I can't change that and honestly, no amount of evidence would. I just find it highly hypocritical that Hillary underwent about 9 republican spearheaded investigations and they were unable to pin anything on her, yet you believe she is guilty.. and Flynn, who admitted he lied, plead guilty, had a pattern of lying about his russian ties, is innocent.   


Comey, Clapper, Mueller are Deep State, the dolt comey admitted himself.
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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2018, 10:24:47 AM »

Comey, Clapper, Mueller are Deep State, the dolt comey admitted himself.

I was wrong...

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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2018, 10:30:27 AM »
I was wrong...
Yup you said it, if you do not think the establishment are trying everything to take Trump and anyone connect to him down.
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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2018, 02:36:56 PM »
ok, I stand corrected

Trump doesn't really have an issue with someone taking the 5th amendment




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Re: Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2018, 02:41:22 PM »
Are you saying he didn’t plead guilty to protect his son?

you're saying his son committed a crime (or crimes)

You don't think Flynn lied to the FBI

Try to keep in mind that Pence said Flynn lied to him and Trump said he fired Flynn for lying to Pence so we know Flynn has no problem lying to people

Did he lie to Pence to protect his son or was that lie for some other reason ?