UFC 232

[Wiggs]

Pretty sure he knows he's on steroids and I know he realizes it when he sticks his fingers in other fighters eyes.

That's your opinion and on both accounts.

[anabolicguru]

That's your opinion and on both accounts.

the eye poking is pretty apparent on all jones fights

[Wiggs]

the eye poking is pretty apparent on all jones fights

That is an gross exaggeration. Second, if the ref felt they were blatant, he'd be called on it. Finally, he wins his fights because he has the best fight IQ I've ever seen in MMA. He can adapt, he knows tendencies, etc.  His height and reach and his arsenal.  Eye pokes, no you and others just don't like him. Same with PEDs, it's just and excuse because people don't like him. The reason his alleged intentional PED use is harped on is because he's the best all time and people are trying to discredit it. 

[DanM]

That is an gross exaggeration. Second, if the ref felt they were blatant, he'd be called on it. Finally, he wins his fights because he has the best fight IQ I've ever seen in MMA. He can adapt, he knows tendencies, etc.  His height and reach and his arsenal.  Eye pokes, no you and others just don't like him. Same with PEDs, it's just and excuse because people don't like him. The reason his alleged intentional PED use is harped on is because he's the best all time and people are trying to discredit it. 

Lol get real dude, he continuously gets caught doing stupid shit. PED's being one of them, that is why many don't like this guy

[chaos]

That is an gross exaggeration. Second, if the ref felt they were blatant, he'd be called on it. Finally, he wins his fights because he has the best fight IQ I've ever seen in MMA. He can adapt, he knows tendencies, etc.  His height and reach and his arsenal.  Eye pokes, no you and others just don't like him. Same with PEDs, it's just and excuse because people don't like him. The reason his alleged intentional PED use is harped on is because he's the best all time and people are trying to discredit it. 

He might just be the best ever but his repeated busts for drugs taint his credibility and there's plenty of videos of his eye pokes. Maybe he needs a new "nutritionist" that knows when to stop using so he doesn't get caught.

[anabolicguru]

That is an gross exaggeration. Second, if the ref felt they were blatant, he'd be called on it. Finally, he wins his fights because he has the best fight IQ I've ever seen in MMA. He can adapt, he knows tendencies, etc.  His height and reach and his arsenal.  Eye pokes, no you and others just don't like him. Same with PEDs, it's just and excuse because people don't like him. The reason his alleged intentional PED use is harped on is because he's the best all time and people are trying to discredit it.  

I don't discredit jones, because he does win, and I do see him being the GOAT, but he does have some taint to this god image of him that you guys (not meaning blacks, fans) spew out!  if you have actually seen a jones fight you would know what i'm talking about, not just some highlight because you became his fans like 1-2 fights ago lol

[Wiggs]

I don't discredit jones, because he does win, and I do see him being the GOAT, but he does have some taint to this god image of him that you guys (not meaning blacks, fans) spew out!  if you have actually seen a jones fight you would know what i'm talking about, not just some highlight because you became his fans like 1-2 fights ago lol

Who are you to have to prove my credibility how much I watch or know about fighting? Lol!!! You don't know how much I've watched, what fights I've went to, nothing. You may want to check people's post history before making assumptions unless you don't care about looking foolish.

[Wiggs]

Lol get real dude, he continuously gets caught doing stupid shit. PED's being one of them, that is why many don't like this guy

I don't need a guy to be a boyscott to be considered the best. That shit's for TV and squares. Can he fight and can he win? Yes and yes. Outside of DC and a handful of others, I believe what Nate Diaz said, EVERYONE is on them.

[Wiggs]

He might just be the best ever but his repeated busts for drugs taint his credibility and there's plenty of videos of his eye pokes. Maybe he needs a new "nutritionist" that knows when to stop using so he doesn't get caught.

Again, the refs deem the eye pokes unintentional. Coke? I don't care. PEDs, passed a polygraph. Furthermore, the amount metabolites found in his system, laughable. Dude has been winning since the day he stepped foot in UFC and making legends look ordinary. Whose as did he kick that hurt your feelings? Lol

[Wiggs]

Straight from big mouth.

[Dave D]

I’ve heard that Tyson was listed at 5’11.5”, but his true height may have been closer to 5’9”. I’m sure that Darren Avery Danimal77 can confirm his accurate height

[pellius]

It’s BS. She’s the best but it’s ridiculous that she has to drop 35 lbs. to fight in a class. Guaranteed if she didn’t have to kill her self for a week before the fights to make weight she would have won easily.

They need to let her fight without forcing her to drop that kind of weight. Dana needs to do his ducking job.

What are you talking about? Dana doesn't force anybody to fight at any weight unless you hold two titles simultaneously as Amanda just did. As it stands now, she's the Bantam-weight and Featherweight champion. If you want to challenge her for those titles you have to make that weight. It's not his job to have any fighter compete at that weight.

I'm sure Cyborg would love to just compete at Welter-weight but there are no women worth fighting at that weight that anybody wants to watch.

[pellius]

jones is a boring fighter to watch. i dont care how good he is.

That's because you know nothing about MMA. Jones skill level is unworldly. When I first saw him fight Stephan Bonner back in 1999 I was blown away by his performance. Displaying moves never seen before and tweaking traditional techniques to make it work for him. Nobody can seem to match his stand up and, true, his height plays a huge role in this, but I think he's even better on the ground and no one in his weight class is near his level in that respect. When you can't be beat standing and can't be beaten on the ground, you can't be beaten. He's currently the best MMA fighter the UFC has ever had. And by a pretty good margin.

Boring fighter? That says more about you than Jones. He's one of the biggest draws and cash cows that the UFC has right now which is why they will do all that hand waving, winks and nods, envelop-passing, and lie and cheat to make sure he stays on the card.

I've always defended the UFC regarding corruption but under this new regime and this latest episode, it's obvious that some are going to be treated more "fairly" than others. This was bullshit but it's over. People already forgot and they will be there for the next show with dollars in hand as well as waiting with bated breath for the next Jon Jones fight.

[pellius]

I don't discredit jones, because he does win, and I do see him being the GOAT, but he does have some taint to this god image of him that you guys (not meaning blacks, fans) spew out!  if you have actually seen a jones fight you would know what i'm talking about, not just some highlight because you became his fans like 1-2 fights ago lol

You don't think Wiggs, or any of us, has "actually seen a jones fight"? Please be more specific. Obviously, you are far more knowledgeable than we are. I am sure you can find that he is not perfect and doesn't perform perfectly 100% of the time but the question is not that we don't "know what you are talking about" but what are you talking about compared to whom?

And for the record, I am not a Jones's fan and hoped he would have gotten buried last Saturday. I think he's a narcissistic, self-absorbed, selfish low life. I was so surprise that nobody seem to care or make an issue when during the last seconds of his second fight with D.C. he raised his arms in victory prior to the bell while both were in a clinch making D.C. think the fight was over and stopped with his hands on his side and then Jones turned to give him a last-second punch to the face.

What a scum-bag.

[pellius]

Straight from big mouth.

I've never watched or heard any of Brendan's commentary other than the two vids posted on this thread.

That guy just nails it.

I have to pay attention to him more.

[ratherbebig]

That's because you know nothing about MMA. Jones skill level is unworldly. "

Boring fighter? That says more about you than Jones. He's one of the biggest draws and cash cows that the UFC

not only boring but over rated... its easy to look good depending on who you fight.

against bonner... 3 round decision win, bonner went on and lost 2 in a row aftwards, shows you how good he was at the time  
against jake o brian... jake was thrown out of ufc afterwards, thats telling me he wasnt at the top of his game otherwise ufc wouldve kept him.
against brandon vera... who afterwards had 1 no contest, 1 win, 2 losses and was thrown out of the ufc...
against vladimir... 2 minute fight, cant remember
against ryan bader... bader was boring as hell to watch at this time, slightly less boring now.
against shogun, shogun was losing every other fight at this time, way past his prime...
against rampage... no comment. rampage hasnt been good for a decade
against machida...  machida had 2 outta 3 losses leading up to jones... closing in at 3 losses in 4 fights in the year 2010-2011... thats a close to get cut record...
against rashad... good matchup i suppose but i cant imagine 3 round decision being that entertaining between these two.
against senior citizen belfort... ok fight i suppose
against senior citizen chael sonnen... hardly fun to watch.
against alex gustafson... finally a fight worth watching! and he almost lost.
against senior citizen glover... couldnt finish him in 5 rounds
against senior citizen dc... ok fight
against OSP... boring.
against senior citizen dc again...
against alex again...

yeah greatest of all time and all of that... and what a bunch of ENTERTAINING fights!  

[pellius]

not only boring but over rated... its easy to look good depending on who you fight.

against bonner... 3 round decision win, bonner went on and lost 2 in a row aftwards, shows you how good he was at the time  
against jake o brian... jake was thrown out of ufc afterwards, thats telling me he wasnt at the top of his game otherwise ufc wouldve kept him.
against brandon vera... who afterwards had 1 no contest, 1 win, 2 losses and was thrown out of the ufc...
against vladimir... 2 minute fight, cant remember
against ryan bader... bader was boring as hell to watch at this time, slightly less boring now.
against shogun, shogun was losing every other fight at this time, way past his prime...
against rampage... no comment. rampage hasnt been good for a decade
against machida...  machida had 2 outta 3 losses leading up to jones... closing in at 3 losses in 4 fights in the year 2010-2011... thats a close to get cut record...
against rashad... good matchup i suppose but i cant imagine 3 round decision being that entertaining between these two.
against senior citizen belfort... ok fight i suppose
against senior citizen chael sonnen... hardly fun to watch.
against alex gustafson... finally a fight worth watching! and he almost lost.
against senior citizen glover... couldnt finish him in 5 rounds
against senior citizen dc... ok fight
against OSP... boring.
against senior citizen dc again...
against alex again...

yeah greatest of all time and all of that... and what a bunch of ENTERTAINING fights!  

Jones has beaten everybody in his division and all you have to say is that all his opponents suck. DC beat everyone at light heavy and just won the HW title and has only lost to Jones but he sucks too because you think he's too old. You can criticize him all you want but compared to whom? He's beaten everybody. You're essentially saying all the fighters suck. Well then, where are all the good LWH fighters in the world?

Nobody becomes as popular as Jones by being boring. He's an exciting fighter that's inspiring to watch because of his unmatched talent and skill. All the fighters, whether they like him or hate him, will attest to that. You simply lack the sophistication and trained eye to appreciate him.

Perhaps you should take some BJJ and MMA classes so that you can better understand and appreciate the discipline and speak more knowledgeably about the subject.

The notion that all those that actually train and compete in the sport are wrong about Jones' extraordinary talent and you know better is beyond laughable.

[_bruce_]

I watched the highlight of "Nunes" vs "Cyborg" and was pretty baffled at how the former beat up the latter. I was rooting for Cyborg but the broad shouldered/long armed beast seems to have been made for lethal striking... kinda like Chuck Liddell who didn't look too impressive but had great leverage.

Word is that Jones may soon present his own Poke-mon which easily destroys all others.... lots of children will being lethally blind sided. 

[ratherbebig]

Jones has beaten everybody in his division and all you have to say is that all his opponents suck. DC beat everyone at light heavy and just won the HW title and has only lost to Jones but he sucks too because you think he's too old.

not all of them, most of them.
as for dc, well the dude is almost 40. surely thats a factor when he's facing jones who is nearly 10 years younger.

You can criticize him all you want but compared to whom? He's beaten everybody. You're essentially saying all the fighters suck. Well then, where are all the good LWH fighters in the world?

there's no secret that some divisions are worse than others, LWH being one of them.

Nobody becomes as popular as Jones by being boring. He's an exciting fighter that's inspiring to watch because of his unmatched talent and skill. All the fighters, whether they like him or hate him, will attest to that. You simply lack the sophistication and trained eye to appreciate him.

i dont think neither his talent or skill is unmatched. there's plenty of talent and skill in many other weight classes and in many fighters. how is jones elbows or kicks to the knees  any bigger skill than rose namajunas flying armbar? but let's for a minute say he's unmatched, maybe thats one of the reasons that make him boring to watch? his most entertaining fight was against gustafsson the first time, and the reason being that he WAS NOT unmatched. where's the entertainment in watching somebody you know's gonna win before hand?

[oldschoolfan]

He might just be the best ever but his repeated busts for drugs taint his credibility and there's plenty of videos of his eye pokes. Maybe he needs a new "nutritionist" that knows when to stop using so he doesn't get caught.

chaos i agree john Jones is an all around piece of shit and a  narcassist   that being said he has never lost of fight. i would love for him to fight Cain Velasquez though , i wonder if that fight would ever happen, there are not any big fights for Jones at lhw now, and no good contenders as well

[Wiggs]

chaos i agree john Jones is an all around piece of shit and a  narcassist   that being said he has never lost of fight. i would love for him to fight Cain Velasquez though , i wonder if that fight would ever happen, there are not any big fights for Jones at lhw now, and no good contenders as well

Fuck no. Cain is much too big and he has the cardio to all 5 rounds.  Jon is my favorite but Cain is too big for him.  I'd love to see the fight though.

[Wiggs]

I’ve heard that Tyson was listed at 5’11.5”, but his true height may have been closer to 5’9”. I’m sure that Darren Avery can confirm his accurate height

No he really is about 6 feet.  I used to see him the barbershop often in Vegas. I used to post about it occasionally. He has a ginormous head.

[oldschoolfan]

Fuck no. Cain is much too big and he has the cardio to all 5 rounds.  Jon is my favorite but Cain is too big for him.  I'd love to see the fight though.

i would to it would sell huge, i dont see anyone right now beating him at lhw, hell i cant even think of a  young guy coming up that is even impressive, jones staying at lhw will hurt his drawing power, hw at this moment are were the huge fights are for him.   

[ratherbebig]

hw division is as shitty as the lhw division.

[Darren Avey]

No he really is about 6 feet.  I used to see him the barbershop often in Vegas. I used to post about it occasionally. He has a ginormous head.

Mike Tyson IS NOT 6 feet tall!! My friend who is a legit 6 foot has a photo with him ,Tyson is AT LEAST 2 inches shorter. Ill see if I can find the pic on FB