UFC 232

[Coach is Back!]

So my son texts me today saying that Jones will be at his jiu jitsu tournament at the Fit Expo at the end of the month. Wondering what kind of reception he’ll get.

[pellius]

never said he wasnt skilled, why dont you look up my first post i said i find him BORING

nunes would kill jones.

he's lucky mixed martial arts isnt mixed.

not only boring but over rated... its easy to look good depending on who you fight.

not all of them, most of them.
as for dc, well the dude is almost 40. surely thats a factor when he's facing jones who is nearly 10 years younger.

there's no secret that some divisions are worse than others, LWH being one of them.

i dont think neither his talent or skill is unmatched. 

At the end of the day, whether you think he is boring and over rated, he will continue to win and continue to be one of the biggest draws for the UFC and the organization will do everything they can to keep him in the cage fighting.

[BILL ANVIL]

How's that his fault? It's weight limit, not height limit. Mike Tyson at 5'11.5 had no problems routinely beating peoplease several inches taller than him.

Because being bigger than all of your opponents and avoiding heavyweight because your ego is too big does not equal being the greatest of all time. Thats fucking ridiculous.

Not to mention still having to use gear and eye pokes to do it. Again, fucking ridiculous.

[AbrahamG]

Because being bigger than all of your opponents and avoiding heavyweight because your ego is too big does not equal being the greatest of all time. Thats fucking ridiculous.

Not to mention still having to use gear and eye pokes to do it. Again, fucking ridiculous.

I'm guessing you didn't graduate top of your class.

[BILL ANVIL]

I'm guessing you didn't graduate top of your class.

I see what you did there 

[Kwon]

Because being bigger than all of your opponents and avoiding heavyweight because your ego is too big does not equal being the greatest of all time. Thats fucking ridiculous.

Not to mention still having to use gear and eye pokes to do it. Again, fucking ridiculous.

Indeed.

[pellius]

Because being bigger than all of your opponents and avoiding heavyweight because your ego is too big does not equal being the greatest of all time. Thats fucking ridiculous.

Not to mention still having to use gear and eye pokes to do it. Again, fucking ridiculous.

With the exception of heavyweights, don't all MMA fighters, boxers, wrestlers, all sports where being bigger than your opponent is an advantage, do this? In professional sports where winning is all that matters, I would think you'd want to take advantage of anything that would increase your chances of success.

[ratherbebig]

At the end of the day, whether you think he is boring and over rated, he will continue to win and continue to be one of the biggest draws for the UFC and the organization will do everything they can to keep him in the cage fighting.

yet lets not ever talk about someone who's winning, because what could possibly be gained from it?

let's just agree that jones is the best ever, and never mention him ever again on this msg board.

[BILL ANVIL]

With the exception of heavyweights, don't all MMA fighters, boxers, wrestlers, all sports where being bigger than your opponent is an advantage, do this? In professional sports where winning is all that matters, I would think you'd want to take advantage of anything that would increase your chances of success.

Sure, but in this sport being bigger than your opponent is a MASSIVE advantage and does not equal greatness. UFC is great at creating the 'hype machine' and having their loyal brand name casual fans believing anything they tell them.

[pellius]

Sure, but in this sport being bigger than your opponent is a MASSIVE advantage and does not equal greatness. UFC is great at creating the 'hype machine' and having their loyal brand name casual fans believing anything they tell them.

To be honest, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. You seem to be implying that Jones, and other fighters, are kind of cheating or gaming the system by cutting weight.

When I first met GSP, who was competing in the 2005 Abu Dhabi, I was struck by how big he was in person. He told me he weighed in at 192 lbs. Keep in mind that he was competing in the most prestigious submission wrestling tournament in the world so it's not like he was out of shape.

He competed in the 170 lbs class and I doubt he got any smaller as the years went on in his career. Meaning, he probably routinely had to drop 25, even 30 lbs to make weight during his reign.

[illuminati]

To be honest, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. You seem to be implying that Jones, and other fighters, are kind of cheating or gaming the system by cutting weight.

When I first met GSP, who was competing in the 2005 Abu Dhabi, I was struck by how big he was in person. He told me he weighed in at 192 lbs. Keep in mind that he was competing in the most prestigious submission wrestling tournament in the world so it's not like he was out of shape.

He competed in the 170 lbs class and I doubt he got any smaller as the years went on in his career. Meaning, he probably routinely had to drop 25, even 30 lbs to make weight during his reign.

Personally I think in every sport with weight categories the weigh in should be just before the event takes place & Put a stop to all this nonsense of being 10/15/20lbs + over the supposed weight limits.

It just makes a mockery of having weight classes.

[Humble Narcissist]

Personally I think in every sport with weight categories the weigh in should be just before the event takes place & Put a stop to all this nonsense of being 10/15/20lbs + over the supposed weight limits.

It just makes a mockery of having weight classes.

This and also have fewer weight classes.  A person should fight at a more natural weight instead of starving themselves to get down to a specific number.  If there were only 3 weight classes you would eliminate the danger of dehydration and starvation diets.

[Wiggs]

Personally I think in every sport with weight categories the weigh in should be just before the event takes place & Put a stop to all this nonsense of being 10/15/20lbs + over the supposed weight limits.

It just makes a mockery of having weight classes.

Agree 100%

[che]

This and also have fewer weight classes.  A person should fight at a more natural weight instead of starving themselves to get down to a specific number.  If there were only 3 weight classes you would eliminate the danger of dehydration and starvation diets.

Yeah, that makes sense, haha WTF

[Coach is Back!]

This and also have fewer weight classes.  A person should fight at a more natural weight instead of starving themselves to get down to a specific number.  If there were only 3 weight classes you would eliminate the danger of dehydration and starvation diets.

This has nothing to do with the UFC, this has everything to do with stupid cutting. Hope Mike Dolce is reading this.

[Humble Narcissist]

This has nothing to do with the UFC, this has everything to do with stupid cutting. Hope Mike Dolce is reading this.

Stupid cutting is done by boxers, wrestlers and mma guys.

[Coach is Back!]

Stupid cutting is done by boxers, wrestlers and mma guys.

We are talking about MMA, right? I’ve never had to have a fighter dehydrate or starve.

[Humble Narcissist]

We are talking about MMA, right? I’ve never had to have a fighter dehydrate or starve.

They cut weight like everyone else who competes in weight classes.  Do mma guys cut weight differently?

[Coach is Back!]

They cut weight like everyone else who competes in weight classes.  Do mma guys cut weight differently?

No, and that’s my point. Hard cuts make no sense if they know well enough in advance when the event is. Boxer, wrestler, MMA or otherwise. It’s an antiquated methodology to make weight.

[illuminati]

No, and that’s my point. Hard cuts make no sense if they know well enough in advance when the event is. Boxer, wrestler, MMA or otherwise. It’s an antiquated methodology to make weight.

If you are correct then there is no reason they shouldn’t have the weigh in just before the Event.

[Humble Narcissist]

If you are correct then there is no reason they shouldn’t have the weigh in just before the Event.

Agreed.  The guys weigh in a day before and then go to the buffet and gain several pounds for the fight.  They aren't even close to the weight limit when the fight starts the next day.

[Coach is Back!]

If you are correct then there is no reason they shouldn’t have the weigh in just before the Event.

Examples of weighing in the day of a tournament would be wrestling and Jiu Jitsu, still broken up into weight classes, still have to make weight (below heavyweight). In high school wrestling, at least in California, hydrate testing is required.

One of the reasons why Rampage stopped doing his prep with Dolce years back, was because He got fat as shit and didn’t train in his off-season (not Dolces fault) but when he came time to diet, he would have him start his cuts at 8 weeks then 2 weeks before he’d (Dolce) would have him drop 40.

The thing is, stupid crap like this is common and there’s no need for it as long as the fighter complies.

[pellius]

I competed in two Jiu-Jitsu tournaments that had same day weigh ins. Both were a disaster. It really held things up and what usually ends at 9:00 pm dragged on until after 11:00 pm. Also, those that didn't make weight couldn't be rescheduled to another weight class because it's already been set. They wanted their entrance fee back because there was no clause that they forfeit their fee if they don't make weight. Also, there were tons of cheating especially by Brasilians favoring other Brasilian competitors. There was no overseeing authority.

And it wasn't any safer for the competitors because they would actually be competing in a dehydrated and starved state since they had no time to carb back up. The body count being dragged out of there easily quadrupled.

With pro shows like the UFC I believe there's money to be made because they charge to be present at the weigh in, which is now ceremonial. Also, imagine if someone doesn't make weight on the night of the show? Really throws a monkey wrench in the whole thing and no time to figue out the best alternative: cancel? fine? let it go anyway.

And I still don't think it will be safer for the fighters as they will just be more likely to fight physically compromised.

No matter what the rules, as long as it applies to everybody equally then it's fair. It's very unlikely to change. Fighters are going to fight at a weight they think they can win. T.J. Dillashaw is cutting to 124 lbs when he was almost 150 lbs when he fought Cody.

[Humble Narcissist]

I competed in two Jiu-Jitsu tournaments that had same day weigh ins. Both were a disaster. It really held things up and what usually ends at 9:00 pm dragged on until after 11:00 pm. Also, those that didn't make weight couldn't be rescheduled to another weight class because it's already been set. They wanted their entrance fee back because there was no clause that they forfeit their fee if they don't make weight. Also, there were tons of cheating especially by Brasilians favoring other Brasilian competitors. There was no overseeing authority.

And it wasn't any safer for the competitors because they would actually be competing in a dehydrated and starved state since they had no time to carb back up. The body count being dragged out of there easily quadrupled.

With pro shows like the UFC I believe there's money to be made because they charge to be present at the weigh in, which is now ceremonial. Also, imagine if someone doesn't make weight on the night of the show? Really throws a monkey wrench in the whole thing and no time to figue out the best alternative: cancel? fine? let it go anyway.

And I still don't think it will be safer for the fighters as they will just be more likely to fight physically compromised.

No matter what the rules, as long as it applies to everybody equally then it's fair. It's very unlikely to change. Fighters are going to fight at a weight they think they can win. T.J. Dillashaw is cutting to 124 lbs when he was almost 150 lbs when he fought Cody.

Competitors sometimes don't make weight now.  They still fight but not for title or official result, it's like an exhibition match.  You are correct about being carb depleted and not having time to carb up. I hadn't considered that.

[BILL ANVIL]

To be honest, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. You seem to be implying that Jones, and other fighters, are kind of cheating or gaming the system by cutting weight.

When I first met GSP, who was competing in the 2005 Abu Dhabi, I was struck by how big he was in person. He told me he weighed in at 192 lbs. Keep in mind that he was competing in the most prestigious submission wrestling tournament in the world so it's not like he was out of shape.

He competed in the 170 lbs class and I doubt he got any smaller as the years went on in his career. Meaning, he probably routinely had to drop 25, even 30 lbs to make weight during his reign.

Eye pokes, being bigger fighter = not candidate for greatest of all time. Pure UFC hype machine.