So Dorian, how many sets per exercise?

[oldtimer1]

He stopped the barbell squats because of a back injury.

 It was a hip injury. He started with regular barbell squats then he used smith squats. During his best years his main exercises were the leg press and hack.

I was heavily influenced by Arthur Jones when he came onto the scene. I am always interested in low set trainers like Dorian. 

[sarcafago]

Thread of loose skin and varicose veins.

Getbig boomers love HIT and Israel.

[ratherbebig]

lets not forget that we go to the gym for fun and socialize

the more time we can spend at the gym, the better

[pellius]

He stopped the barbell squats because of a back injury.

Exactly. Squats are not this magical movement that you have to do for legs. As Dorian said, it's more suited for short people.
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[pellius]

HIT is bullshit. Casey Viator trained with the Mentzer for years and said Mike and Ray routinely did 12 to 15 sets per bodypart

No he didn't. You just made that up. Saw Ray train at Muscle Mill in the 80s.

[pellius]

You're combating bro science with your own bro science.

Nice

What is the other bro science? That young muscles respond better than old muscles to the same stimulus?

[oldtimer1]

Mike and Ray did warm ups like Yates. They used one or two true work sets.  Casey did use true volume and plenty of it for his best condition in the Olympia that Dickerson won.

[pellius]

Mike and Ray did warm ups like Yates. They used one or two true work sets.  Casey did use true volume and plenty of it for his best condition in the Olympia that Dickerson won.

Lol! Dickerson beating Casey that year. What a joke. I understand the others: Arnold, Franco, Dorian, Jat, Phil -- all winning when they were not the best that night. But Dickerson? Never could figure that out. Worse Olympia ever.

[oldtimer1]

Lol! Dickerson beating Casey that year. What a joke. I understand the others: Arnold, Franco, Dorian, Jat, Phil -- all winning when they were not the best that night. But Dickerson? Never could figure that out. Worse Olympia ever.

I disagree. If you saw Dickerson live during that couple of years around 79 to 83 his muscles looked dense like he was carved from ice and many standing next to him looked soft. I do agree completely that anyone that had Viator winning that Olympia had a good argument.

[tres_taco_combo]

whether dorian, mentzer or vol training - you gotta bring the intensity and move lbs to make muscles big/thick/dense.

they all have a variant of it - but intensity is #1 

[pellius]

I disagree. If you saw Dickerson live during that couple of years around 79 to 83 his muscles looked dense like he was carved from ice and many standing next to him looked soft. I do agree completely that anyone that had Viator winning that Olympia had a good argument.

Well, I tend to defer to those who were at a show live. I know a lot is lost in pics. Still, those pecs had such a terrible droopy shape. Flat sloping shoulders, wide waist, and probably the worse biceps ever on the O stage. And that left elbow in particular, WTF?

At least on video: Samir, Casey, Zane, even Bertil Fox I thought looked better.

[oldtimer1]

Well, I tend to defer to those who were at a show live. I know a lot is lost in pics. Still, those pecs had such a terrible droopy shape. Flat sloping shoulders, wide waist, and probably the worse biceps ever on the O stage. And that left elbow in particular, WTF?

At least on video: Samir, Casey, Zane, even Bertil Fox I thought looked better.

Pellius, how many days are you training now with weights? Whole body? Split?

[pellius]

Pellius, how many days are you training now with weights? Whole body? Split?

I take two days off after every workout so I train each bodypart every six days. Sometimes I'll take an extra day off (usually after legs) so it will be twice a week. Chest, back, delts, one day; rest two days and then arms and legs... and so on. I do a couple of sets of abs every workout more as part of my warm up. Old fashion situp on a decline bench, flip around, then do some leg raises.

[illuminati]

I disagree. If you saw Dickerson live during that couple of years around 79 to 83 his muscles looked dense like he was carved from ice and many standing next to him looked soft. I do agree completely that anyone that had Viator winning that Olympia had a good argument.

Load of hogwash seriously I was at the 82 Olympia in London
Dickerson had no business winning - Top 5/6 Maybe.
Awful judging decision - Worst Winner Ever.

[pellius]

Load of hogwash seriously I was at the 82 Olympia in London
Dickerson had no business winning - Top 5/6 Maybe.
Awful judging decision - Worst Winner Ever.

Whew! Now I feel better. I'm no expert so when I see something that just doesn't look right, and to me, this wasn't even close, I think the problem is my lack of sophistication.

So again, this begs the question, how did he win? Usually, it's politics, bankability, personality...  that puts someone less than their best on top. But what was the advantage of giving Dickerson the title? At that time they screwed Paris over for being gay and he looked better than Chris ever did, so I don't think it was political correctness. I think they wanted to punish Zane for sitting out in 81. Platz would have been more marketable as the bodybuilding community loved him. Casey, Samir, even Beckles looked better.

This one's a mystery to me.

[The Scott]

Whew! Now I feel better. I'm no expert so when I see something that just doesn't look right, and to me, this wasn't even close, I think the problem is my lack of sophistication.

So again, this begs the question, how did he win? Usually, it's politics, bankability, personality...  that puts someone less than their best on top. But what was the advantage of giving Dickerson the title? At that time they screwed Paris over for being gay and he looked better than Chris ever did, so I don't think it was political correctness. I think they wanted to punish Zane for sitting out in 81. Platz would have been more marketable as the bodybuilding community loved him. Casey, Samir, even Beckles looked better.

This one's a mystery to me.

Dickerson had no business being on the dais.  Those Captain Hook elbows of his?  Disgusting.  His physique sucked.  But apparently so does he and perhaps that was the secret to his suckcess with Schmoe Weider.  He also made gay porn and one would think that after punishing Nubret for supposed risque' scene(s) in a film with a woman, they banned Serge but Dickerson can smoke the wang and pound the dirtstar on camera and that's fine and dandy?  FTN.

Personally, I think Padilla should've won in 81 and Zane, Casey or Platz all looked far better than Dickerson in '82.

And Paris would have made an excellent Mr. Olympia.

[illuminati]

Whew! Now I feel better. I'm no expert so when I see something that just doesn't look right, and to me, this wasn't even close, I think the problem is my lack of sophistication.

So again, this begs the question, how did he win? Usually, it's politics, bankability, personality...  that puts someone less than their best on top. But what was the advantage of giving Dickerson the title? At that time they screwed Paris over for being gay and he looked better than Chris ever did, so I don't think it was political correctness. I think they wanted to punish Zane for sitting out in 81. Platz would have been more marketable as the bodybuilding community loved him. Casey, Samir, even Beckles looked better.

This one's a mystery to me.

Mystery to me also.
Think it was a case of he’d paid his dues type thing 
Plus I believe it was Oscar State who was running / in charge of the
Olympia show of here & head of the
English Federation of Body Builders EFBB
Was as bent as could be - Doubt we’ll get to know why / how Dickerson won. 

[orion]

I think all three are dead now.  Unless I am  mistaken (it happens!), Casey passed a few years ago.

My bad.  in any case none of the pros got to where they did doing just one thing.  Mentzer was just trying to capitalize on something and he latched on to HIT.  He was well on his way when he started it.

[oldtimer1]

Dickerson comes in the top two of every contest he entered including the Olympia for three years and it's a mystery that he won in London?  1980 He came in second. 1981 he came in second. 1982 he won. Between 1979 (except that Olympia)  and his 1982 win he came in first or second in every professional contest he entered. 22 first or second places during that time period in professional contests.

[pellius]

Dickerson comes in the top two of every contest he entered including the Olympia for three years and it's a mystery that he won in London?  1980 He came in second. 1981 he came in second. 1982 he won. Between 1979 (except that Olympia)  and his 1982 win he came in first or second in every professional contest he entered. 22 first or second places during that time period in professional contests.

I know. That's what makes it more perplexing. How the heck did he beat Zane and Mentzer in 1980 and how in the f-ing hell did he place higher than Platz and Padilla in 81, either one the most deserving of the title that year?

I think it says not so much how great Dickerson was but how f-ed up the IFBB is.

[oldtimer1]

I know. That's what makes it more perplexing. How the heck did he beat Zane and Mentzer in 1980 and how in the f-ing hell did he place higher than Platz and Padilla in 81, either one the most deserving of the title that year?

I think it says not so much how great Dickerson was but how f-ed up the IFBB is.

Mentzer deserved his 5th place finish in 1980.  Zane looked better. Now 1981 is something that many could debate and put in a good argument for many.  Padilla looked amazing at his most ripped condition. Platz looked like a freak.  

[pellius]

Metzer deserved his 5th place finish in 1980.  Zane looked better. Now 1981 is something that many could debate and put in a good argument for many.  Padilla looked amazing at his most ripped condition. Platz looked like a freak.  

A matter of opinion. But it's pretty much accepted, again not by all, that when talking about the least impressive Mr. Olympia, Chris Dickerson name will always come up.

[oldtimer1]

True it's a subjective sport. Judging by that picture I put up in the previous post I don't know how anyone can look at that and say Dickerson wasn't better.

In the end it's subculture of a sport based on drugs. No drugs and there would be no sport. One thing for sure Dickerson competed at a high level for decades. He even won the Mr. America back in the day when they had to prove they were athletes by putting up a total with the snatch, clean and press, and the clean and jerk for needed athletic points. Think any Olympia contestant now could power clean and jerk 315lbs? I would wager none could.

[kevcat]

Dickerson easily beats Zane and Mentzer in the above picture ( from the front relaxed anyway ).

[oldtimer1]

I think a lot of hate comes Dickerson's way because he is gay.  How many of these hero's from the Gold's days that had no job to go to but had a car, apartment and money to live? I wonder what they did for cash?  Weider only gave contracts to less than a handful and it was a joke amount. Very few had actual jobs.