Is M.J. officially guilty now?

[The Scott]

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Problem was letting a man live as a child when he's not. Biology exists for a reaaon.

Try telling that to the "It's MA'AM!" man. And that's just the current tip of the iceberg of stupid.

[Humble Narcissist]

While is true that the word "genius" is thrown around way too much

Michael Jackson was a Genius on his own right ,  So many talents put  together since he was a kid , the biggest entertainer there ever was .... then the vision to go write songs that practically crushed every thing that had extraordinary reaction world wide  in history before him ....

Besides, you can't never compare numbers and arts  when it comes to "genius"  it just doesn't work that way ...

To think That Quincy jones didn't want MJ to record "Billie jeans "  and look what happened with music after its release  "vision" .... The music he created from 70's and 80's will be hard to top..... not to mention every major artist is a copy cat one way or the other of what he brought to the stage .



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  Annie are you ok ?

What talents beside dancing and singing?  He had so so popularity with the Jackson 5 in the 70's and he was the biggest selling recording artist in the 80's because of his dancing more than anything but musical genius is a huge leap.  The record companies (like you mentioned Quincy Jones) really decide who they are going to push for fame and it has more to do with them than the actual artist.  The last 20 years of his life he was just some weird recluse living in Neverland.

Again, Prince who gets compared a lot with MJ probably because they were both skinny black guys who played similar music was way more talented.  He was the best player of every instrument in his band.  He was a better drummer than his drummer, better guitar player than his guitar player, etc.  He wrote all of his lyrics plus wrote all of the music for every part in his band.  He played numerous instruments and was an excellent piano player which his later concerts were just him and the piano.  He wrote thousands of songs most of which have never been seen by anyone but will probably all be released someday.  The comparison of the 2 is not even close.

[Humble Narcissist]

Speaking of Michael Jackson.....his daughter is not taking that documentary well>

https://www.tmz.com/2019/03/16/paris-jackson-hospitalized-attempted-suicide-leaving-neverland-michael/

[Al Doggity]

What talents beside dancing and singing?  He had so so popularity with the Jackson 5 in the 70's and he was the biggest selling recording artist in the 80's because of his dancing more than anything but musical genius is a huge leap.  The record companies (like you mentioned Quincy Jones) really decide who they are going to push for fame and it has more to do with them than the actual artist.  The last 20 years of his life he was just some weird recluse living in Neverland.

Again, Prince who gets compared a lot with MJ probably because they were both skinny black guys who played similar music was way more talented.  He was the best player of every instrument in his band.  He was a better drummer than his drummer, better guitar player than his guitar player, etc.  He wrote all of his lyrics plus wrote all of the music for every part in his band.  He played numerous instruments and was an excellent piano player which his later concerts were just him and the piano.  He wrote thousands of songs most of which have never been seen by anyone but will probably all be released someday.  The comparison of the 2 is not even close.

Why do people discount  performance skill so much when it comes to musical talent? Or even production skill? Why is it that so many people say that musical ability only comes down to technical proficiency on instruments?  This isn't really limited to MJ here, because I see this all the time and it doesn't seem to cross over into other artistic fields. You can have someone who most people will acknowledge as a great director and no one will say "He's a hack because he doesn't write his own films." Or that a writer sucks because they don't write everything longhand,they use a laptop. Or that a painter sucks because they don't also know how to sculpt. But you constantly hear that someone who focuses on performance doesn't really have musical talent.

Look, the guy was clearly a pedo...

but, from an objective point standpoint- imagine his career belonged to someone else- he achieved everything a musical genius would be expected to. He redefined genres, he changed the course of popular music, he created multiple hits that stood the test of time, he was  a major influence on several generations that followed him, etc.

[Humble Narcissist]

Why do people discount  performance skill so much when it comes to musical talent? Or even production skill? Why is it that so many people say that musical ability only comes down to technical proficiency on instruments?  This isn't really limited to MJ here, because I see this all the time and it doesn't seem to cross over into other artistic fields. You can have someone who most people will acknowledge as a great director and no one will say "He's a hack because he doesn't write his own films." Or that a writer sucks because they don't write everything longhand,they use a laptop. Or that a painter sucks because they don't also know how to sculpt. But you constantly hear that someone who focuses on performance doesn't really have musical talent.

Look, the guy was clearly a pedo...

but, from an objective point standpoint- imagine his career belonged to someone else- he achieved everything a musical genius would be expected to. He redefined genres, he changed the course of popular music, he created multiple hits that stood the test of time, he was  a major influence on several generations that followed him, etc.

Because he was being called a musical genius and he couldn't even read music!  Again, would you say someone is a math genius who couldn't count?

[hardgainerj]

[Al Doggity]

Because he was being called a musical genius and he couldn't even read music!  Again, would you say someone is a math genius who couldn't count?

You don't have to read music to create music. You don't have to play an instrument to create music. You don't have to play an instrument to be influential in music.

You do have to count to be able to do math.

[Humble Narcissist]

You don't have to read music to create music. You don't have to play an instrument to create music. You don't have to play an instrument to be influential in music.

You do have to count to be able to do math.

You don't have to count to do math?  WTF???  A person can make a tune with their voice and have an idea about what they want the music to sound like but someone actually has to put it to music and to instrumentation.  Again, we're talking genius, not someone who can sing.

[Al Doggity]

You don't have to count to do math?  WTF???  A person can make a tune with their voice and have an idea about what they want the music to sound like but someone actually has to put it to music and to instrumentation.  Again, we're talking genius, not someone who can sing.

I said "You DO have to count to do math."

Singing is a musical skill. Writing lyrics is a musical skill.  Conceiving and conceptualizing ideas is a talent.   

[Humble Narcissist]

I said "You DO have to count to do math."

Singing is a musical skill. Writing lyrics is a musical skill.  Conceiving and conceptualizing ideas is a talent.   

And you must do them ALL to be a musical genius.

[Al Doggity]

And you must do them ALL to be a musical genius.

You have to do all of them?

So, if you can play multiple instruments but you don't have a good singing voice, you can't be a musical genius?

What if you can play multiple instruments, but don't write lyrics to your music? Can you still be a musical genius?

[Notomorrow]

I said "You DO have to count to do math."

Singing is a musical skill. Writing lyrics is a musical skill.  Conceiving and conceptualizing ideas is a talent.   

In modern pop, you dont write songs, you create a "hook". Why the hooks can be sampled and become rap songs. The hook just repeats. Michael would listen to various hooks of other artists, change them a little and call them his own. Great talent still, but far from genius. Openly said he used Hall and Oates I cant go for that for Billie Jean(listen to the opening).He would come to Quincy Jones with a baseline he got from "somewhere". Quincy was a great producer and would build a song around it. Why his music showed a HUGE difference after he left Quincy.

Quincy has admitted it

Abc news
NEW YORK - Quincy Jones, the legendary music producer behind Michael Jackson, says that the late King of Pop plagiarized some of his hits.

"I hate to get into this publicly, but Michael stole a lot of stuff. He stole a lot of songs," Jones said in an interview full of eyebrow-raising comments published Tuesday by Vulture, the culture site of New York magazine.

"The notes don't lie, man. He was as Machiavellian as they come," the 84-year-old music veteran said.

[Humble Narcissist]

You have to do all of them?

So, if you can play multiple instruments but you don't have a good singing voice, you can't be a musical genius?

What if you can play multiple instruments, but don't write lyrics to your music? Can you still be a musical genius?

Singing is not required for some types of music (classical music for example), so no.  There is no way you can compare MJ to Beethoven or Mozart or even other pop stars like Prince.  What % of pop stars or rap, hip hop, metal, country stars do you think are geniuses?  If Prince and Lady Gaga can do ALL of those things (sing, dance, play multiple instruments, write music, write lyrics) and MJ can't does that make them Mega geniuses?  MJ was an entertainer that was pushed by the record companies to be huge but he was not a genius at anything.

[Humble Narcissist]

In modern pop, you dont write songs, you create a "hook". Why the hooks can be sampled and become rap songs. The hook just repeats. Michael would listen to various hooks of other artists, change them a little and call them his own. Great talent still, but far from genius. Openly said he used Hall and Oates I cant go for that for Billie Jean(listen to the opening).He would come to Quincy Jones with a baseline he got from "somewhere". Quincy was a great producer and would build a song around it. Why his music showed a HUGE difference after he left Quincy.

Quincy has admitted it

Abc news
NEW YORK - Quincy Jones, the legendary music producer behind Michael Jackson, says that the late King of Pop plagiarized some of his hits.

"I hate to get into this publicly, but Michael stole a lot of stuff. He stole a lot of songs," Jones said in an interview full of eyebrow-raising comments published Tuesday by Vulture, the culture site of New York magazine.

"The notes don't lie, man. He was as Machiavellian as they come," the 84-year-old music veteran said.

Quincy Jones was much closer to musical genius than was Michael.  He created tons of music and stars.

[Primemuscle]

At least keep in mind the kid in the documentary, Wade Dobbs and his whole family UNDER OATH to the police and even on the stand in the 90s trial SWORE under penalty of perjury and jail time NOTHING HAPPENED. Burden of proof is quite a bit less for an HBO documentary.

When this recent shit started, it was a civil suit demanding money in 2017, where he got scumbag Hollywood attorney Henry Gradstein to try and extort a Jackson estate settlement, which was REFUSED by the estate so they got a judge who TOSSED the whole fucking case.

Michael was ASEXUAL, go watch him kiss his fake wife Lisa Marie, thats a 12 year old virgin boy kissing a woman. Oprah called him out in the 93 interview.."Michael are you a virgin?" No answer because it was painfully obvious. Include Michael in any incel threads.

Problem was letting a man live as a child when he's not. Biology exists for a reaaon.

I have kept this in mind. Apparently you missed my earlier post.

Why do these revelations always end up involving a lawsuit? Money won't fix what was broken by a sexual predator and abuser. IMO it delegitimizes their accusations or at least calls their true motives into question.  

It appears as if you are defending the accusations of pedophilia against MJ by claiming he was an asexual and had the 'Peter Pan Syndrome'. Some asexual people have sex. And they masturbate. And they look at porn. And they do pretty much everything, because there are as many ways to be asexual as there are to be sexual. In the words of an asexual woman, “I need to be really emotionally connected to someone to feel sexually attracted to them or want to have sex.”

It's wrong to accuse someone of being a pedophile unless you have proof. It is also wrong to excuse their suspicious behavior, as you have done, because that sends a very dangerous message to adults as well as children. If you are going to err, do so on the side of caution. Read this before you try to make Peter Pan and MJ out to be a saints. How the fantasy of Peter Pan turned sinister
By Constance Grady@constancegrady  Jul 27, 2017 https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/7/27/16021572/peter-pan-became-evil-jm-barrie-llewelyn-davies

[Al Doggity]

Singing is not required for some types of music (classical music for example), so no.  

That was the point. There are no hard and fast rules for being a musical genius, but you're pretending that there are.  It's not based on the number of instruments you play. You can play every instrument under the sun and just be okay at them. A talent for sure, but ultimately artistic genius is popularly defined by the impact your work has on your audience and  on your field. Michael Jackson changed pop music in a way that Lady Gaga hasn't. A lot of that has to do with timing, just as a lot of the differences between Beethoven's career and MJ's career had to do with timing, but that's true of almost anyone who makes a major impact on any artistic field.

"I hate to get into this publicly, but Michael stole a lot of stuff. He stole a lot of songs," Jones said in an interview full of eyebrow-raising comments published Tuesday by Vulture, the culture site of New York magazine.

"The notes don't lie, man. He was as Machiavellian as they come," the 84-year-old music veteran said.

According to Picasso, this is just proof that he's a great artist.

[Al Doggity]

[As you acknowledge there are some types of music that don't require lyrics. Likeswise, there are types that don't require instrumentation. There are multi-instrumentalists who are just average and there are guys who play one instrument and have terrible singing voices who are considered musical geniuses.

[Humble Narcissist]

[As you acknowledge there are some types of music that don't require lyrics. Likeswise, there are types that don't require instrumentation. There are multi-instrumentalists who are just average and there are guys who play one instrument and have terrible singing voices who are considered musical geniuses.

Who?

[Notomorrow]

I have kept this in mind. Apparently you missed my earlier post.
It appears as if you are defending the accusations of pedophilia against MJ by claiming he was an asexual and had the 'Peter Pan Syndrome'. Some asexual people have sex. And they masturbate. And they look at porn. And they do pretty much everything, because there are as many ways to be asexual as there are to be sexual. In the words of an asexual woman, “I need to be really emotionally connected to someone to feel sexually attracted to them or want to have sex.”

It's wrong to accuse someone of being a pedophile unless you have proof. It is also wrong to excuse their suspicious behavior, as you have done, because that sends a very dangerous message to adults as well as children. If you are going to err, do so on the side of caution. Read this before you try to make Peter Pan and MJ out to be a saints. How the fantasy of Peter Pan turned sinister
By Constance Grady@constancegrady  Jul 27, 2017 https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/7/27/16021572/peter-pan-became-evil-jm-barrie-llewelyn-davies

Yes, and the way you do this is have someone stand up, raise their right hand and SWEAR to tell the truth, which he DID and said NOTHING EVER HAPPENED. This is when it counts and you can be charged with perjury for lying. I excuse none ofv the people that allowed Michael to live the farce he did. But I dont believe in "Hes so fucking weird, even with NO evidence and the kid in question as an ADULT says under oath NOTHING ever fucking happened, but hey, fuck that weird freak, shouldn't have been hanging  out with kids anyway, lets just call him guilty" Guy had his day in court and said nothing, has his day in front of an hbo documentary years later after accused is dead and story changes.

Juat leave it at weird, creepy dude that hung out with kids and NO evidence of molestation. Cause thats what it is.

[Humble Narcissist]

Yes, and the way you do this is have someone stand up, raise their right hand and SWEAR to tell the truth, which he DID and said NOTHING EVER HAPPENED. This is when it counts and you can be charged with perjury for lying. I excuse none ofv the people that allowed Michael to live the farce he did. But I dont believe in "Hes so fucking weird, even with NO evidence and the kid in question as an ADULT says under oath NOTHING ever fucking happened, but hey, fuck that weird freak, shouldn't have been hanging  out with kids anyway, lets just call him guilty" Guy had his day in court and said nothing, has his day in front of an hbo documentary years later after accused is dead and story changes.

Juat leave it at weird, creepy dude that hung out with kids and NO evidence of molestation. Cause thats what it is.

Yeah, I hate it when these people come forward accusing dead people of horrendous crimes.  Remember Mackenzie Phillips saying her dad raped her and they had a incest relationship for years?

[Notomorrow]

Liberal media is a master of "where theres smoke theres fire stories. Nobody wants to go under oath, no fucking evidence, so lets start the smear. Same shit with trump Russia....

"Come on...has business ties to Russia for years, shady Russians with unexplained millions with exclusive suites in trump Tower, his son is in meetings with Russians, come on...there HAD to be collusion by Trump"


FUCK THAT....We want EVIDENCE

[Humble Narcissist]

Liberal media is a master of "whwre theres smoke theres fire stories. Nobody wants to go under oath, no fucking evidence, so lets start the smear. Same shitbwith trump Russia....

"Come on...has business ties to Russia for years, shady Russians with unexplained millions with exclusive suites in trump Tower, his son is in meetings with Russians, come on...there HAD to be collusion by Trump"


FUCK THAT....We want EVIDENCE

All clickbait to sell their papers, online articles and t.v. ratings.

[Agnostic007]

Can we all agree Brian Wilson was a musical genius?

[Pet shop boys]

What talents beside dancing and singing?  He had so so popularity with the Jackson 5 in the 70's and he was the biggest selling recording artist in the 80's because of his dancing more than anything but musical genius is a huge leap.  The record companies (like you mentioned Quincy Jones) really decide who they are going to push for fame and it has more to do with them than the actual artist.  The last 20 years of his life he was just some weird recluse living in Neverland.

Again, Prince who gets compared a lot with MJ probably because they were both skinny black guys who played similar music was way more talented.  He was the best player of every instrument in his band.  He was a better drummer than his drummer, better guitar player than his guitar player, etc.  He wrote all of his lyrics plus wrote all of the music for every part in his band.  He played numerous instruments and was an excellent piano player which his later concerts were just him and the piano.  He wrote thousands of songs most of which have never been seen by anyone but will probably all be released someday.  The comparison of the 2 is not even close.

Lol Being able to play an instrument two or three doesn't make you a genius, trust me ......  don't call him a genius if you don't want to ..... when someone listen to a song written by MJ anywhere in the planet at any age ,  something special is felt  ....... they couldn't care less who plays the drum, guitar  or the tambourine ....  MJ is the biggest entertainer there ever was   . you just couldn't step on stage after he was done ... nobody  


WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH   stay vintage and have a great weekend

[Desolate]

What's sick is the family trying to defend him.

They know the truth, but they just want to keep getting the money.

That is just about as evil as it gets.