Is M.J. officially guilty now?

[illuminati]

Was Jackson's behaviour around the boys similar to that of a 12 year old though? He treated the boys more like lovers - holding hands, cuddling, kissing, sharing beds...etc

Were you doing these things with your male friends when you were 12? 

No Doubt he Was & IS - As He see's nothing unusual & try's justifying Whako's Behaviour. Pervert.

[Dave D]

Was Jackson's behaviour around the boys similar to that of a 12 year old though? He treated the boys more like lovers - holding hands, cuddling, kissing, sharing beds...etc

Were you doing these things with your male friends when you were 12? 

If you read Noto's posts he isnt defending MJ behavior, hes defending MJ charged as a pedophile.

I think he made his point that Jackson was morally deranged. And that he stood trial, in a community that was white and would not be swayed by his celebrity, and was found innocent.

I think one of the points was that these parents should also be held accountable for allowing their children to be left alone with Jackson.

The fact that after his initial trial people were still letting their sons spend time with the dude is strange and sad.

I haven't watched all of the HBO doc*, and I know the relationships in it took place before allegations were made public. And from what I have watched Jackson acted like a predator, setting the parents and kids up.  But Jackson also acted like a complete moron who was socially unaware hanging out at the family's house and walking the streets at night (with the Simi valley dude).


Jackson was an odd ball. The fact that he "played" the character of a 12 boy who never grew up (or that is who really was, which is debatable just based on his music alone) was classic pedophile behavior but that doesn't make him a pedophile.

*its important to remember that documentary's are designed to have the viewer believe their message. My personal thought is that Jackson was a pedophile, but I do understand those who dont believe this as the can refer to the "facts" from the court cases.

People are in an uproar over this even though it was already brought to light years ago.

[SuperTed]

If you read Noto's posts he isnt defending MJ behavior, hes defending MJ charged as a pedophile.

I think he made his point that Jackson was morally deranged. And that he stood trial, in a community that was white and would not be swayed by his celebrity, and was found innocent.

I think one of the points was that these parents should also be held accountable for allowing their children to be left alone with Jackson.

The fact that after his initial trial people were still letting their sons spend time with the dude is strange and sad.

I haven't watched all of the HBO doc*, and I know the relationships in it took place before allegations were made public. And from what I have watched Jackson acted like a predator, setting the parents and kids up.  But Jackson also acted like a complete moron who was socially unaware hanging out at the family's house and walking the streets at night (with the Simi valley dude).


Jackson was an odd ball. The fact that he "played" the character of a 12 boy who never grew up (or that is who really was, which is debatable just based on his music alone) was classic pedophile behavior but that doesn't make him a pedophile.

*its important to remember that documentary's are designed to have the viewer believe their message. My personal thought is that Jackson was a pedophile, but I do understand those who dont believe this as the can refer to the "facts" from the court cases.

People are in an uproar over this even though it was already brought to light years ago.

He says that MJ was wrong but also that he thinks MJ was an asexual who just wanted to live as a 12 year old boy. However, my point is more that Jackson didn't behave like a 12 year old boy. Boys that age don't behave like he did with their friends.
  
Jackson paid off the family in the first case before any verdict was reached and while he wasn't found guilty in the second case, some members of the jury later said that they were sure he was a pederast but that there just wasn't enough hard evidence to justify a conviction.

I think everyone agrees that the parents have to take much of the blame. I tend to believe that they were groomed themselves; starstruck by Jackson's fame, wealth and the gifts he would shower them with.

There is a possibility imo that Jackson was innocent and the relationships he had with the boys was strictly platonic but when everything is taken into consideration, I just find this highly unlikely.  

[Dave D]

He says that MJ was wrong but also that he thinks MJ was an asexual who just wanted to live as a 12 year old boy. However, my point is more that Jackson didn't behave like a 12 year old boy. Boys that age don't behave like he did with their friends.
  
Jackson paid off the family in the first case before any verdict was reached and while he wasn't found guilty in the second case, some members of the jury later said that they were sure he was a pederast but that there just wasn't enough hard evidence to justify a conviction.

I think everyone agrees that the parents have to take much of the blame. I tend to believe that they were groomed themselves; starstruck by Jackson's fame, wealth and the gifts he would shower them with.

There is a possibility imo that Jackson was innocent and the relationships he had with the boys was strictly platonic but when everything is taken into consideration, I just find this highly unlikely.  

Good points. I overlooked the fact that his behavior wasnt that of a 12 year old. And besides that how long can you "be" 12. Part of adolescence is the experiences of everything is new because you have 0 life experiences. That isnt true for MJ.

At some point if he were emotionally/mentally delayed in development his life experiences would invalidate those issues. Or he would be apparently stunted in every interaction which he wasnt.

[Primemuscle]

He wasnt charged with pedophilia. He was charged with molestation.  The first is debatable, I think no you think yes. The second is molesting a child, which needs to be PROVEN in court. And NO ONE can do that. And this "paying everyone off or lure of celebrity" got him off is bullshit. His trial was in Santa Barabara, 1% black,  all white, and one of the few Republican areas of southern California. Home to Ariana Huffington. This Jury of his peers HAD to have people like you that said, "What a sick freak, whys he having sleepovers with boys?" Wealthy Santa Barbara with a D.A. DESPERATE to get a conviction. But NO EVIDENCE. On ANY fucking count.

I started watching Leaving Neverland last night. Had to turn it off at the end of the first half. Seeing video of what looks exactly like him grooming a parade of young prepubescent boys, one at a time. Makes me sick, disgusted and sympathetic towards not only the boys, but there families. 

[illuminati]

I started watching Leaving Neverland last night. Had to turn it off at the end of the first half. Seeing video of what looks exactly like him grooming a parade of young prepubescent boys, one at a time. Makes me sick, disgusted and sympathetic towards not only the boys, but there families. 

Yes it is tough viewing - A very Creepy Weirdo.
The parents & some of Jacko’s People I’d like to see questioned & cross examined.

[Primemuscle]

Yes it is tough viewing - A very Creepy Weirdo.
The parents & some of Jacko’s People I’d like to see questioned & cross examined.

Yes, I agree. It's very hard to imagine how what seemed like intelligent people, would ever allow those events to happen not just onetime but many times. Adults just don't invite children into their beds unless they are the child's parents. Even an adult just hanging out day in and day out with a young child is weird. Allowing such things to happen is unthinkable. I blame the parents.It is the parents responsibility to protect their children not subject them to suspicious people and circumstances. As in "Don't ever take candy from strangers."

Unfortunately, celebrities' 'people' tend to support their employer regardless. That is part of the problem with Trump...he either has no checks and balances or he ignores them.

If you haven't already, you should read notomorrow's posts in this thread regarding Michael Jackson and his fondness for little boys. He is completely delusional.

[Ropo]

Or wealthy enough to settle out of court?

So you are saying that black singer can settle out court by money? How about Cosby? Most loved black man in histoy of USA, in jail by the witness testimonies.

OJ Simpson? How the trial would be end if that blood soaked and heat dried glove would have fit on his hand? If prosecutor would have common knowledge which tells him that wet leather shrinks like crazy when dried, we would have seen another endgame 

[Dave D]

So you are saying that black singer can settle out court by money? How about Cosby? Most loved black man in histoy of USA, in jail by the witness testimonies.

OJ Simpson? How the trial would be end if that blood soaked and heat dried glove would have fit on his hand? If prosecutor would have common knowledge which tells him that wet leather shrinks like crazy when dried, we would have seen another endgame 

This is why I question MJ's guilt. But I'd also be interested to see how he would be viewed with the same charges in today's climate. Cosby flew under the radar for years, there were always rumors, but it took today's PC climate to bring him down.

Today maybe Jackson isnt found not guilty.

[kreator]

fucker painted himself white. That’s how mental he was.

[Primemuscle]

This is why I question MJ's guilt. But I'd also be interested to see how he would be viewed with the same charges in today's climate. Cosby flew under the radar for years, there were always rumors, but it took today's PC climate to bring him down.

Today maybe Jackson isnt found not guilty.

Whether today or in the past, criminal and civil guilt is determined in the courts by juries or judges based on the evidence presented. In this case, MJ wasn't found guilty due to a lack of evidence via victim's and witness testimonies.

-Finished watching 'Leaving Neverland' last night. The victims and their families were completely believable. If they are lying, all of them deserve best actor awards. The documentary also examples how deeply MJ's suspected pedophilia affected the victims' entire families. The film is heartbreaking and it makes me mad as hell that in all probability, this atrocity actually happened.

One big takeaway for me is that there should be no statute of limitations on these types of crimes. The damage to the victims doesn't go away. It is something they will carry with them for the rest of their lives. Why should the perpetrators' culpability ever conclude?

[paloboi]

On good think at least he will have the Blackstone labs guys In there to do gay for pay with them

[Primemuscle]

On good think at least he will have the Blackstone labs guys In there to do gay for pay with them

Doesn't G4P involve money? MJ was bankrupt when he passed. Capitalizing on his memory has made his family extremely rich. Furthermore, the only currency in hell is your soul...that is if you even believe in hell, which I don't.

[Humble Narcissist]

Whether today or in the past, criminal and civil guilt is determined in the courts by juries or judges based on the evidence presented. In this case, MJ wasn't found guilty due to a lack of evidence via victim's and witness testimonies.

-Finished watching 'Leaving Neverland' last night. The victims and their families were completely believable. If they are lying, all of them deserve best actor awards. The documentary also examples how deeply MJ's suspected pedophilia affected the victims' entire families. The film is heartbreaking and it makes me mad as hell that in all probability, this atrocity actually happened.

One big takeaway for me is that there should be no statute of limitations on these types of crimes. The damage to the victims doesn't go away. It is something they will carry with them for the rest of their lives. Why should the perpetrators' culpability ever conclude?

The problem is  1) Jackson is dead  and  2) The victims testified in court that nothing happened so even if Jackson were still alive today he couldn't be charged.

[Dave D]

Whether today or in the past, criminal and civil guilt is determined in the courts by juries or judges based on the evidence presented. In this case, MJ wasn't found guilty due to a lack of evidence via victim's and witness testimonies.

-Finished watching 'Leaving Neverland' last night. The victims and their families were completely believable. If they are lying, all of them deserve best actor awards. The documentary also examples how deeply MJ's suspected pedophilia affected the victims' entire families. The film is heartbreaking and it makes me mad as hell that in all probability, this atrocity actually happened.

One big takeaway for me is that there should be no statute of limitations on these types of crimes. The damage to the victims doesn't go away. It is something they will carry with them for the rest of their lives. Why should the perpetrators' culpability ever conclude?

So you believe these two guys from the documentary. But those who brought court cases against MJ in the past didnt provide enough evidence for guilt.

Maybe we should just show documentary's at trials.

Prime you're no doubt a good dude but many of your posts are condescending.

Did it really take the women who accused Cosby 40 years to acquire evidence and build a case against or did they recognize that culturally it was the right time to pursue their case?

Dont act like the US court system is infallible, we have documented cases from the past where non guilty parties were found guilty because of their race, sex, education and/or past history.

[Ropo]

This is why I question MJ's guilt. But I'd also be interested to see how he would be viewed with the same charges in today's climate. Cosby flew under the radar for years, there were always rumors, but it took today's PC climate to bring him down.

Today maybe Jackson isnt found not guilty.

If jury of 12 citizen doesn't find him guilty, who will? Idiots of the internet? By what evidence? Rumors and claims of the people, who were defending him at the trial? Or is it just fun to earn few bucks by beating dead star who cannot defend himself?

[Humble Narcissist]

I watched Leaving Neverland part 1 on YouTube.  Are they going to put up part 2?  Very creepy video and the pics of Michael with those kids is very convincing.  The look on his face is demonic.

[Dave D]

If jury of 12 citizen doesn't find him guilty, who will? Idiots of the internet? By what evidence? Rumors and claims of the people, who were defending him at the trial? Or is it just fun to earn few bucks by beating dead star who cannot defend himself?

What are you talking about?

MJ was found innocent. So was OJ. Jury's were used in both cases.

Jackson's jury got it right but OJ's didn't?  How?

Did the political climate of Los Angeles in the 90s influence the OJ jury? Would the same jury yield the same results today?

You do know jury's are made up of people from the internet, ive participated in the process.

I'm sorry I've posted a question so difficult that it has caused your brain to fail. I do realize what I've posted is a higher level of critical thinking.  I'm sorry popo.

[SF1900]

What are you talking about?

MJ was found innocent. So was OJ. Jury's were used in both cases.

Jackson's jury got it right but OJ's didn't?  How?

Did the political climate of Los Angeles in the 90s influence the OJ jury? Would the same jury yield the same results today?

You do know jury's are made up of people from the internet, ive participated in the process.

I'm sorry I've posted a question so difficult that it has caused your brain to fail. I do realize what I've posted is a higher level of critical thinking.  I'm sorry popo.

MJ was not found innocent. He was found not guilty. That is not the same as being found innocent. Just sayin'.

[illuminati]

What are you talking about?

MJ was found innocent. So was OJ. Jury's were used in both cases.

Jackson's jury got it right but OJ's didn't?  How?

Did the political climate of Los Angeles in the 90s influence the OJ jury? Would the same jury yield the same results today?

You do know jury's are made up of people from the internet, ive participated in the process.

I'm sorry I've posted a question so difficult that it has caused your brain to fail. I do realize what I've posted is a higher level of critical thinking.  I'm sorry popo.

Don’t waste you’re Time with that idiotic Twat
He’s Lost his marbles & just rambles verbal diarrhoea.

[Dave D]

MJ was not found innocent. He was found not guilty. That is not the same as being found innocent. Just sayin'.

Semantics. Stick to solving the identity of Jack the Ripper, using an alleged piece of evidence that's owned by private collector.

MJ had an innocent soul so hes guilty of that.

[SF1900]

Semantics. Stick to solving the identity of Jack the Ripper, using an alleged piece of evidence that's owned by private collector.

MJ had an innocent soul so hes guilty of that.

 

[Primemuscle]

I watched Leaving Neverland part 1 on YouTube.  Are they going to put up part 2?  Very creepy video and the pics of Michael with those kids is very convincing.  The look on his face is demonic.

How can you tell that it was demonic with all the pancake he spackled on his face?

I believe I watched the both episodes on HBO.

[budgiesmuggler]

FBI said they found nothing on Jackson after years of investigating. But I'm supposed to believe this out of the blue bullshit.  Fuck Oprah c o o n ass!  

It's not out of the blue.  How many kids (that he is known to have spent a lot of time with) accused him?  At least four I think.

[budgiesmuggler]

There are still too many questions.  Why are there 2 guys now claiming they were molested after they testified in court and did numerous FBI interviews that nothing sexual happened? 

This is very well covered in the Leaving Neverland documentary.

Why would someone like Corey Feldman who spent so much time with Jackson claimed nothing happened even though he admits to being molested by others and probably raped by Charlie Sheen?  Why would he protect Jackson?  Would Jackson skip over him and just molest other kids?

Feldman was an ugly looking kid. And a movie star. 

These other two were good looking kids and average people.

Jackson had a "type".  Rapists don't rape every woman they know...