What is the logic behind increasing the drug usage pre-contest?

[NickEdge779]

Is it mostly just to preserve as much tissue as possible while eating in a caloric deficit? Because I don't see how you can put on new muscle tissue by eating in a caloric deficit, or zig zagging your diet by carb cycling. All of those drugs aren't going to put on any new tissue if you're eating at a deficit.. That's why I don't quite understand the logic. Like a guy will go from an off-season cycle of:

750mg test, 250mg deca and 4iu GH

to a precontest cycle of:

750mg test,
400mg masteron
400mg EQ
50mg Anavar ED
4IU HGH

That's quite a lot more drugs... not to mention adding in tren at the end of the cycle towards the last few weeks and diuretics the last few days

[paloboi]

Holding muscle sub 10% gets very hard from my understanding and you have to sky high the drugs to hold mass. I have never got in contest shape I had to good a income to bodybuild which isn't much.

[honest]

usually higher dosages get used as their shorter esters as well pre contest, which are usually less prone to water retention. Lower dosages off season at least back in my day which was the 90s was mainly because they were long esters, plus your over eating. Pre contest your not and need the mgs to hang on to the muscle whilst you look yo shed water and fat. In saying that this is 90s protocol Im not up to speed with todays methods, i saw the mgs being used going through the roof and got out twenty years ago, it was my hobby not my life.

[Royalty]

Is it mostly just to preserve as much tissue as possible while eating in a caloric deficit? Because I don't see how you can put on new muscle tissue by eating in a caloric deficit, or zig zagging your diet by carb cycling. All of those drugs aren't going to put on any new tissue if you're eating at a deficit.. That's why I don't quite understand the logic. Like a guy will go from an off-season cycle of:

750mg test, 250mg deca and 4iu GH

to a precontest cycle of:

750mg test,
400mg masteron
400mg EQ
50mg Anavar ED
4IU HGH

That's quite a lot more drugs... not to mention adding in tren at the end of the cycle towards the last few weeks and diuretics the last few days

I wouldn’t spend too much time worrying about nonsense like this.

[MAXX]

Probably because they want to be at their physical/muscualar peak at that time and point so the dosages follows. There is truth in that the biggest and strongest also does the highest dosages. Ofcourse they will claim that gymrats does more than them but that is nonsense. See Mcgarvers obductation report. Obviously you cant go through the entire prep at the highest dosages out of health reasons so they use it at when they makes the most use. This is my logical assumption without even have done a single cycle.

[Prudence]

Like a guy will go from an off-season cycle of:

750mg test, 250mg deca and 4iu GH

Fixed :
750mg test, 600mg deca...

[Bevo]

usually higher dosages get used as their shorter esters as well pre contest, which are usually less prone to water retention. Lower dosages off season at least back in my day which was the 90s was mainly because they were long esters, plus your over eating. Pre contest your not and need the mgs to hang on to the muscle whilst you look yo shed water and fat. In saying that this is 90s protocol Im not up to speed with todays methods, i saw the mgs being used going through the roof and got out twenty years ago, it was my hobby not my life.

There is truth to that, maybe someone can chime in in what today’s protocols consist of?

[paloboi]

Fixed :
750mg test, 600mg deca...

hello heath lol

[On_Swole]

Fixed :
750mg test, 600mg deca...

Fixed:
400mg test, 100mg deca...

http://www.ergo-log.com/nandrotest.html

[tres_taco_combo]

Is it mostly just to preserve as much tissue as possible while eating in a caloric deficit? Because I don't see how you can put on new muscle tissue by eating in a caloric deficit, or zig zagging your diet by carb cycling. All of those drugs aren't going to put on any new tissue if you're eating at a deficit.. That's why I don't quite understand the logic. Like a guy will go from an off-season cycle of:

750mg test, 250mg deca and 4iu GH

to a precontest cycle of:

750mg test,
400mg masteron
400mg EQ
50mg Anavar ED
4IU HGH

That's quite a lot more drugs... not to mention adding in tren at the end of the cycle towards the last few weeks and diuretics the last few days

also many are 100% natty/clean in the off season and "grow into the show" 

[longtimereader]

Because most want to look their best/leanest/biggest at a show, generally the more drugs you take the better you look, makes sense to be on the most drugs when you want to look your best.

You absolutely can and will grow on lower calories with more drugs, your body will burn fat to make up for the deficit

[myt1]

Fixed:
400mg test, 100mg deca...

http://www.ergo-log.com/nandrotest.html

Honestly, I've used deca only about 3 or 4 cycles tops.  I forget the name of the 50ml mexican one that used to be easily gotten in the 90's...White, red, and green box....it was b4 QV came onto the scene if anyone remembers?

I think it sucks, and is incredibly overrated.  Other than my joints feeling a little better while training heavy, I noticed NOTHING.  I know everyone responds different, but it is a total waste of money for ME ,and an extra risk (purchasing, possessing, and doing another injection).  Haven't touched it since my early 20's.  

Another drug that many rave about that sucks for me is Sustanon.  I'd get stronger, but I took 3 a week (750mg), and I grew better on 2 cc's of testoviron from europe (enanthate) by far.  And there was also the fun experience of literally having to prepare for when I would make a turn while driving as it hurt so much when my weight would transfer onto the side I shot in for at least 2-3 days

[Prudence]

This one?

[Prudence]

Oh wait..BEFORE qv...nevermind.

Deltron? Deltrix?
Something like that?

[myt1]

This one?

Nope, not that one prudence....I said b4 the QV days.

For some reason I'm thinking the brand name started with an L

Lorabolin maybe?

[Prudence]

I was thinking Denkall.

[robcguns]

Nope, not that one prudence....I said b4 the QV days.

For some reason I'm thinking the brand name started with an L

Lorabolin maybe?

I had a bottle of lorabolin about 20 years ago,it was 50cc at 50mg each cc if I remember correctly.

[myt1]

I was thinking Denkall.

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Denkall was just a black market/ug lab like qv and bd wasn't it? 

What I'm referring to was 100% legit Mexican stuff.  It was around the time that Sten was popular, and mexi sus preloads with that paneling nail for a needle were easily gotten.

I had a bottle of lorabolin about 20 years ago,it was 50cc at 50mg each cc if I remember correctly.

If the bottle and packaging colors were what I described, than yes this was it.


*decided to google....it was spelled Laurabolin.  Here is a pic of a 10ml which I never knew it came in that low of a quantity.  Maybe I'm wrong about it being a 50ml bottle as the name was Laurabolin 50.  It definitely was bigger than a 10ml vial though....

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-photographs/nandrolone/intervet-laurabolin-50.htm

[Prudence]

Ahh....MesoRX.
Back in 2012 [I think] I used a source from there called 'BioLogic'. First order placed with them and they mistakenly sent me 9 EXTRA bottles of Ace when I only ordered 6--TOTAL 15 BOTTLES.
Tried to send it back--but they weren't about to give the the mailing address.
It was the last good batch of stuff they made--then they started scamming people.

Score!!!

[myt1]

Ahh....MesoRX.
Back in 2012 [I think] I used a source from there called 'BioLogic'. First order placed with them and they mistakenly sent me 9 EXTRA bottles of Ace when I only ordered 6--TOTAL 15 BOTTLES.
Tried to send it back--but they weren't about to give the the mailing address.
It was the last good batch of stuff they made--then they started scamming people.

Score!!!

Nice!!!

I wish you'd post more inspirational and uplifting posts like this Prudence!

Never had the balls to do mail order stuff.  I was very lucky to have the connections I had back in the day.  Now, I don't need to worry about it at all.  At my age, and with the right clinic everything I could ever want is 100% legit.  For now I see no reason to go beyond what my gp has me taking for trt though.....for now

I did some more looking on google images, and found that the laurabolin 50 did in fact come in a 50ml vial.  Thought the Alzheimer's might be kickin' in early for a sec. there

[Zillotch]

test
EQ
Anavar

the perfect stack.  

[pkaz]

I am old School. But in my days it was 200 mg deca or primabolin a wk and 20 mg of dinabol a day. Perfect for gaining size. No test back then unless powerlifting. And then I went to Dr. Kerr and he prescribed Anadrol 50 one a day with the deca. Great combo for size. And it was always 16 wks on and 4 wks old. Early 1980's.

[Coach is Back!]

There is truth to that, maybe someone can chime in in what today’s protocols consist of?

It’s not that much different with the exception you might add in GH/Insulin and sometimes the insulin isn’t necessary if you already have the size. Referring to the off-season cycle