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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2019, 09:15:18 AM »
Guy A and Guy B both have similar, if not, identical genetics.

Guy A: takes steroids, GH, and insulin, trains like shit and subpar diet.

Guy B: 100% natural, trains hard, eats 8 meals per day.

Two questions:

1) who has the  better chance of becoming huge and ripped?

2) who has the better chance of becoming an NPC level competitor or IFBB pro?

The natural guy has a zero chance. Sergio had fast food and drank Coke all day at work when he was doing manual labor.

A better question would who has a better chance of looking good 12 months out of the year?  It would be the natural. The drug user depending on the cycle will unreal and like crap in the same four month period. Look at our current Mr. Olympia.  He looks like a bloated fat guy and that's the number one pro on earth right now. I'm sure on Olympia day he will look amazing.

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2019, 10:10:49 AM »
Drugs are illegal so you're dumb if you "parade" your drug usage.  

Would you go "parade" your use of heroin or meth?  No, because it's illegal.

"Hey, I'm shooting heroin everyday!"


Are you serious?

There are various countries where personal possession is perfectly legal - hardly 'dumb' depending on where you live. Also, heroin? Meth? Really? Comparing a synthetic hormone to a degenerate substance? Get a grip, it's one thing to be honest (when asked) about what you take (if you live in a country where it's legal) and that is miles away from 'parading heroin or meth use'. Nice try though.


Take drugs to be the man you really aren't.  Shrink your balls until they don't work and you have to take TRT to stay a man.

Become the desire of every fag because women couldn't care less.

Any guy taking steroids to 'be a man' or impress guys is a loser. Do it for your damn self.

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2019, 11:22:58 AM »
Are you serious?

There are various countries where personal possession is perfectly legal - hardly 'dumb' depending on where you live. Also, heroin? Meth? Really? Comparing a synthetic hormone to a degenerate substance? Get a grip, it's one thing to be honest (when asked) about what you take (if you live in a country where it's legal) and that is miles away from 'parading heroin or meth use'. Nice try though.

Any guy taking steroids to 'be a man' or impress guys is a loser. Do it for your damn self.


In the USA it's illegal and a felony so that is what I'm referring too.  If it's legal where you are it's different of course.

If you need to take drugs so you can admire yourself in the mirror and feel good about yourself you are weak in your head,

Find a better way to deal with your insecurities and build your self-esteem instead of relying on the crutch of drugs.

Once you stop the drugs you are back to Clark Kent and you will still be insecure.

That's my sermon for today.





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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2019, 11:57:21 AM »
how many of these guys were actually natural.  ??? ::)
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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2019, 12:51:33 PM »
Funk,

All those guys are natural except Ferrigno because he got hit with Gamma Rays.


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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2019, 01:05:19 PM »
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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2019, 02:48:06 PM »
Are you serious?

There are various countries where personal possession is perfectly legal - hardly 'dumb' depending on where you live. Also, heroin? Meth? Really? Comparing a synthetic hormone to a degenerate substance? Get a grip, it's one thing to be honest (when asked) about what you take (if you live in a country where it's legal) and that is miles away from 'parading heroin or meth use'. Nice try though.

Any guy taking steroids to 'be a man' or impress guys is a loser. Do it for your damn self.


Roo , nobody give a poop 4 honesty in Aussie bb or other sports, ASI is genetic doping institute, U can compete on Inba & NPC Mr.Aussie in the same year  ;) , tons of high school boys a on it, PCYC could be good place to get 'juice', 4 HGH go to any anti age clinic (+ $ 1000 p/m).........
or just do 'juice' trip of Thailand like many Aussie boys & girls ...........


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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2019, 02:59:27 PM »
In the USA it's illegal and a felony so that is what I'm referring too.  If it's legal where you are it's different of course.

If you need to take drugs so you can admire yourself in the mirror and feel good about yourself you are weak in your head,

Find a better way to deal with your insecurities and build your self-esteem instead of relying on the crutch of drugs.

Once you stop the drugs you are back to Clark Kent and you will still be insecure.

That's my sermon for today.






I knew 1 old guy who was juiced to the max (tons of Ifbb/Nabba trophies & titles) & now is INBA masters international champ  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2019, 09:41:57 PM »

If you need to take drugs so you can admire yourself in the mirror and feel good about yourself you are weak in your head,

Find a better way to deal with your insecurities and build your self-esteem instead of relying on the crutch of drugs.

Once you stop the drugs you are back to Clark Kent and you will still be insecure.

That's my sermon for today.




I agree, though I'm not sure if this was aimed at me or just spoken in general...

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2019, 09:42:34 PM »
I knew 1 old guy who was juiced to the max (tons of Ifbb/Nabba trophies & titles) & now is INBA masters international champ  ;D ;D ;D

Unsurprising, natural bodybuilding is a joke!

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2019, 10:30:50 PM »
In the USA it's illegal and a felony so that is what I'm referring too.  If it's legal where you are it's different of course.

If you need to take drugs so you can admire yourself in the mirror and feel good about yourself you are weak in your head,

Find a better way to deal with your insecurities and build your self-esteem instead of relying on the crutch of drugs.

Once you stop the drugs you are back to Clark Kent and you will still be insecure.

That's my sermon for today.






He’s not using for himself, it’s for his kangaroo

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2019, 10:37:49 PM »
Unsurprising, natural bodybuilding is a joke!

There is nothing like 3 'natural' Mr.Aussie contests in 1 year  ;D

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2019, 10:39:30 PM »
Drugs are illegal so you're dumb if you "parade" your drug usage.  

Would you go "parade" your use of heroin or meth?  No, because it's illegal.

"Hey, I'm shooting heroin everyday!"

Bodybuilding has been bullshat since steroids were invented.

It's all a con to sucker people to buy useless supplements.

Take drugs to be the man you really aren't.  Shrink your balls until they don't work and you have to take TRT to stay a man.

Become the desire of every fag because women couldn't care less.

Mmmmmm, before weed was legal in California no one was hiding it, most would brag about weed use and it’s arguably a lot worse for you than gear.

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2019, 03:21:06 AM »
how many of these guys were actually natural.  ??? ::)

This " sport " has been a joke since day one.   

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2019, 03:29:36 AM »
Mmmmmm, before weed was legal in California no one was hiding it, most would brag about weed use and it’s arguably a lot worse for you than gear.

Does it make it right though? Both are still illegal in a lot of states (steroids are illegal in all states without a prescription, test being the common hormone)

Whether one is worse than the other is pretty irrelevant

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2019, 04:01:01 AM »
Does it make it right though? Both are still illegal in a lot of states (steroids are illegal in all states without a prescription, test being the common hormone)

Whether one is worse than the other is pretty irrelevant

You're missing the point. The initial discussion surrounded the social stigma around gear (and admitting to it) - not the legality of it or the risk of authorities knocking your door down for some vials in the fridge.

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2019, 04:50:07 AM »

I agree, though I'm not sure if this was aimed at me or just spoken in general...

I forget.

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2019, 10:49:07 AM »
Funk,

All those guys are natural except Ferrigno because he got hit with Gamma Rays.


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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #43 on: June 06, 2019, 10:55:02 AM »
This " sport " has been a joke since day one.   
                      maybe not day one but soon after.
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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2019, 11:32:43 AM »
                      maybe not day one but soon after.

Is there a reason cocks must be at eye level?.... even from the beginning apparently?

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2019, 04:43:15 PM »
                      maybe not day one but soon after.

The best trophy contest ever, Eugen presented 3 of his statues !.

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2019, 04:47:53 PM »
You're missing the point. The initial discussion surrounded the social stigma around gear (and admitting to it) - not the legality of it or the risk of authorities knocking your door down for some vials in the fridge.


U can legally bring 3 months of juice supply  in AU  ;D


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« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2019, 03:23:12 AM »
Drugs are illegal so you're dumb if you "parade" your drug usage.  

Would you go "parade" your use of heroin or meth?  No, because it's illegal.

"Hey, I'm shooting heroin everyday!"

Bodybuilding has been bullshat since steroids were invented.

It's all a con to sucker people to buy useless supplements.

Take drugs to be the man you really aren't.  Shrink your balls until they don't work and you have to take TRT to stay a man.

Become the desire of every fag because women couldn't care less.

Money laundering is ilegal, so you're dumb if you parade your money laundering. 

Same thing.  You make a " career " based on lies fraud and selling fart powders. 

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2019, 03:51:44 PM »
Guy A and Guy B both have similar, if not, identical genetics.

Guy A: takes steroids, GH, and insulin, trains like shit and subpar diet.

Guy B: 100% natural, trains hard, eats 8 meals per day.

Two questions:

1) who has the  better chance of becoming huge and ripped?

2) who has the better chance of becoming an NPC level competitor or IFBB pro?

Easily A.

Circa 2013, I was hospitalized with a nasty case of diverticulitis.  I went in at 243 (I think?); three weeks later, after earning myself a sweet colostomy bag that I had for the next six months, I think I was 205?

Anyhow, when I went in, I took 250 mg Test E once weekly.  I was 35 at the time.

When I was discharged, I mostly ate ice cream, pudding and yogurt.  I didn't lift a thing, but I kept doing the weekly 250 mg Test.  

On my second check-up, maybe 10 weeks post surgery (?  Eight?  Six?  I dunno), I saw my surgeon wearing a tight Polo.  I was back up to 225 and had not fattened up.  I also hadn't lifted anything heavier than a spoon in that time.  He was shocked at how I looked.

Granted, I had trained for twenty years, most of those natty.  But the drugs are VERY powerful, indeed.  These "hur finishing touch der hur!" guys are kidding themselves.  It's a rare, precious few who use intelligently and aren't "all drugs"; e.g., Wes, Coach, Pellius, Go4it and tres taco.

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Re: Natural vs. Enhanced?
« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2019, 03:57:45 PM »
Easily A.

Circa 2013, I was hospitalized with a nasty case of diverticulitis.  I went in at 243 (I think?); three weeks later, after earning myself a sweet colostomy bag that I had for the next six months, I think I was 205?

Anyhow, when I went in, I took 250 mg Test E once weekly.  I was 35 at the time.

When I was discharged, I mostly ate ice cream, pudding and yogurt.  I didn't lift a thing, but I kept doing the weekly 250 mg Test.  

On my second check-up, maybe 10 weeks post surgery (?  Eight?  Six?  I dunno), I saw my surgeon wearing a tight Polo.  I was back up to 225 and had not fattened up.  I also hadn't lifted anything heavier than a spoon in that time.  He was shocked at how I looked.

Granted, I had trained for twenty years, most of those natty.  But the drugs are VERY powerful, indeed.  These "hur finishing touch der hur!" guys are kidding themselves.  It's a rare, precious few who use intelligently and aren't "all drugs"; e.g., Wes, Coach, Pellius, Go4it and tres taco.

Lol pellius