Natural vs. Enhanced?

[SF1900]

I don’t make excuses I use them because they benefit Me

Good for you.

If you want to think / Believe I’m an addict Good for you. You’re entitled to your opinion also.

Thank you for allowing me to have my own opinion, although I never operationally defined who would be classified as an "addict."

I accept there could be negative health issues & do my best to  Minimise any risks

Good for you.

Then again I drive 50k a year on very congested  British roads & that’s a far great Risk to my health / life

I would need evidence for this assertion.

Again I do  What I can to try & minimise the risks.

Good for you.

So I’m a driving addict also am I ?

I don't know what this has to do with the conversation, but okay.

[illuminati]

I don’t make excuses I use them because they benefit Me

Good for you.

If you want to think / Believe I’m an addict Good for you. You’re entitled to your opinion also.

Thank you for allowing me to have my own opinion, although I never operationally defined who would be classified as an "addict."

I accept there could be negative health issues & do my best to  Minimise any risks

Good for you.

Then again I drive 50k a year on very congested  British roads & that’s a far great Risk to my health / life

I would need evidence for this assertion.

Again I do  What I can to try & minimise the risks.

Good for you.

So I’m a driving addict also am I ?

I don't know what this has to do with the conversation, but okay.

Thank you

👍🏻


Ohh who exactly do you classify as a steroid addict ?
If it wasn’t a generalisation

[a_pupil]

Don’t buy into the “blast and cruise” most who know better cycle on and off. You’d be out of your mind to not come off. IMO, it’s mostly internet bullshit

on a lot of the younger forums the kids are blasting and cruising, ending up on trt in their mid to late 20s lmao.

see that eric kanevsky youtube retard for an example of generation nothingness.

[Deadpool]

on a lot of the younger forums the kids are blasting and cruising, ending up on trt in their mid to late 20s lmao.

see that eric kanevsky youtube retard for an example of generation nothingness.

millennials grrrrr

[tres_taco_combo]

build your natural build as much as you can and be happy/proud of a natty build cuz PED muscles are rented/leased.

[Coach is Back!]

on a lot of the younger forums the kids are blasting and cruising, ending up on trt in their mid to late 20s lmao.

see that eric kanevsky youtube retard for an example of generation nothingness.

And this is the problem. There's a right way and a wrong way and they have to realize that "blasting and cruising" is the wrong way. Unfortunately, this is one of the biggest problems with the use of the internet and social media with so much misinformation. 

[illuminati]

build your natural build as much as you can and be happy/proud of a natty build cuz PED muscles are rented/leased.

Really !!
Well I’ve rented / leases some of my muscle mass for the last 25+yrs
And I know a good few older than me that have done the same for longer
No doubt we’ll rent / lease till we die or decide we no longer want to rent / lease.

Each to their own - no bitterness from me towards those that don’t want to
Rent / lease any extra muscle mass.

The Hate & Bitterness comes from the Natural’s 
Strange That.

[njflex]

Really !!
Well I’ve rented / leases some of my muscle mass for the last 25+yrs
And I know a good few older than me that have done the same for longer
No doubt we’ll rent / lease till we die or decide we no longer want to rent / lease.

Each to their own - no bitterness from me towards those that don’t want to
Rent / lease any extra muscle mass.

The Hate & Bitterness comes from the Natural’s 
Strange That.

ITS funny because there is no such thing as'natural'any degree of muscle size/mass gained druugged or trained 'clean'is not natural,any additional supplements used off shelf or injected is not natural,what seperates all things is extreme mass and or conditioning attained through drugs sadly 'natural'clean 'you cant have both,,,,the flip side is this there are some good genetic 'gym'physiques 'beach'builds 'clean'built through training and good eating  than can be better than a 'gym rat juicing'inferior genetic types,,but in the end the trumpet blowing social media 'im natural'thing is strange...

[SF1900]

I think I have reached my natural limit.  

[a_pupil]

ITS funny because there is no such thing as'natural'any degree of muscle size/mass gained druugged or trained 'clean'is not natural,any additional supplements used off shelf or injected is not natural,what seperates all things is extreme mass and or conditioning attained through drugs sadly 'natural'clean 'you cant have both,,,,the flip side is this there are some good genetic 'gym'physiques 'beach'builds 'clean'built through training and good eating  than can be better than a 'gym rat juicing'inferior genetic types,,but in the end the trumpet blowing social media 'im natural'thing is strange...

"Clean" makes it easier to maintain a decent physique at 12-15%, if you keep up with the gym/eating to maintain as much you can post steroids.

Being lifetime natty makes things much harder, as you weren't able to get that boost to reach your max potential.

[njflex]

"Clean" makes it easier to maintain a decent physique at 12-15%, if you keep up with the gym/eating to maintain as much you can post steroids.

Being lifetime natty makes things much harder, as you weren't able to get that boost to reach your max potential.

true,,,

[njflex]

I think I have reached my natural limit.  

you have a thick build,,did you ever 'lean'out'not contest look but sub 8 to 10 pct per say?

[SF1900]

you have a thick build,,did you ever 'lean'out'not contest look but sub 8 to 10 pct per say?

I’ve lost a lot of weight. Went from like 205 to about 165-170, which I weigh in that pic. I don’t know what my body fat % is but I want to lose a little more.

[njflex]

I’ve lost a lot of weight. Went from like 205 to about 165-170, which I weigh in that pic. I don’t know what my body fat % is but I want to lose a little more.

HEIGHT?

[tres_taco_combo]

Really !!
Well I’ve rented / leases some of my muscle mass for the last 25+yrs
And I know a good few older than me that have done the same for longer
No doubt we’ll rent / lease till we die or decide we no longer want to rent / lease.

Each to their own - no bitterness from me towards those that don’t want to
Rent / lease any extra muscle mass.

The Hate & Bitterness comes from the Natural’s  
Strange That.

1. i am not hating/not trolling and i never claim mike O hearn status either. what i am saying PEDs muscles are leased.  its the truth -they are leased muscles.  come off for a few years and stay off and where did the 20 inch arms go? ripped serratus muscles? vascularity in the lats =  good bye!!! lease is up

2. also we know the what enhanced means; its pretty cut and dry =  full fledged AAS use for a decent duration of time.

3. i never care nor believe anyone's claims natty or not. cuz it doesn't effect me one bit -we all know what goes on at the national level NPC mens classic shows... no one is fooling anyone

[illuminati]

ITS funny because there is no such thing as'natural'any degree of muscle size/mass gained druugged or trained 'clean'is not natural,any additional supplements used off shelf or injected is not natural,what seperates all things is extreme mass and or conditioning attained through drugs sadly 'natural'clean 'you cant have both,,,,the flip side is this there are some good genetic 'gym'physiques 'beach'builds 'clean'built through training and good eating  than can be better than a 'gym rat juicing'inferior genetic types,,but in the end the trumpet blowing social media 'im natural'thing is strange...

Totally agree all this “I’m Natural” Business- So What & Good for Them if Their Happy.

[illuminati]

1. i am not hating/not trolling and i never claim mike O hearn status either. what i am saying PEDs muscles are leased.  its the truth -they are leased muscles.  come off for a few years and stay off and where did the 20 inch arms go? ripped serratus muscles? vascularity in the lats =  good bye!!! lease is up

2. also we know the what enhanced means; its pretty cut and dry =  full fledged AAS use for a decent duration of time.

3. i never care nor believe anyone's claims natty or not. cuz it doesn't effect me one bit -we all know what goes on at the national level NPC mens classic shows... no one is fooling anyone

Where did I mention anything about mike o’hearn ?
What if they want to just keep “Leasing Big Muscles” Till the Day They Die
Their “Leased Muscle will of been Permanent while they were Alive.
And as We’re all on the Planet For A Relatively Short Time Span Then you
Could also Say Everything We Do or Have is Just “Leased” While we are Alive.

Have a big $ Paying Job then you got a nice big house some expensive cars
A Few Flashy Women - Then you Lose you’re job & No Work for 2/3yrs & You’re
Broke - Where’s the Big house & Expensive cars & Flashy Girls — Gone !!
So you just “Leased” Them - And you’re Point is ? ..................

[BIG ACH]

I think there's a lot more to it than the points you've listed.  I still think genetics is a huge factor, not just regarding your base look... But how you respond to gear, chemicals... whether your body is receptive, how you develop side effects, do you get cancer or liver failure or do you just grow like a weed.  Etc etc


One of the biggest things in this argument is how you look clothed.  99% of in shape natural guys will just look small clothed.  Users and abusers are in a whole different ball park.

I knew a guy who was quite small... When he was natural no matter what he did... He would not grow... granted he was in shape and he did compete and was in good condition but he was pocket sized....When he started using.... He became something else.
Not just that but he qualified and competed in the Olympia!

I also know guys that used for years and partied... Drank a lot... were inconsistent with training and just looked like shit.

It varies.

[IroNat]

Is anyone else not able to see pics?

Some pics show up but many don't.

Why does this happen? 

[illuminati]

Is anyone else not able to see pics?

Some pics show up but many don't.

Why does this happen? 

Yes I’m getting that happen quite often

I’d put it down to being in the UK as quite a few links posted won’t open
As there not accessible it says in UK / Europe