Questions about diet and hormone use for men 40 and up.

[DanielPaul]

So hypothetically if you’ve never used before and have made your mind up to run deca, anavar and test cyp, what’s the lowest dose you could take to gain quality muscle and what should your calorie intake look like?

[joswift]

never used before and want to run three different compounds?

[deadz]

So hypothetically if you’ve never used before and have made your mind up to run deca, anavar and test cyp, what’s the lowest dose you could take to gain quality muscle and what should your calorie intake look like?

200mg of Deca weekly
250mg of Test weekly
50mg of anavar daily
Calories are dependent on your metabolic rate.

[joswift]

200mg of Deca weekly
250mg of Test weekly
50mg of anavar daily
Calories are dependent on your metabolic rate.

jeez, its his first course, he will blow up off 250 mgs of test, if he doesnt then he should take up another hobby

[wes]

I was just gonna say 250 mgs of any type of Test is a great starting point and you`ll make quality gains.

[Coach is Back!]

200mg of Deca weekly
250mg of Test weekly
50mg of anavar daily
Calories are dependent on your metabolic rate.

This + 1/2 to 1mg arimidex EOD

[Rambone]

I was just gonna say 250 mgs of any type of Test is a great starting point and you`ll make quality gains.

This.

[DanielPaul]

The deca is there because of joint issues over time, nothing major , I can just tell I’m getting older and feeling some wear and tear..  I don’t have a high metabolism but it’s not low either, just right in the middle.  What’s your issue with it coach, what would you advise?

[joswift]

This + 1/2 to 1mg arimidex EOD

I thought you were a real coach, what are you suggesting 3 compounds for a fisrt course, you have no idea how he would respond from 250mgs test alone, once you chuck in three compounds you dont know whats working or if a lower dose would work just as well.
Starting on a minimum dose gives you a better gauge of future use

[DanielPaul]

Also how long and based on the metabolic rate I’m saying what is the calorie range

[Coach is Back!]

The deca is there because of joint issues over time, nothing major , I can just tell I’m getting older and feeling some wear and tear..  I don’t have a high metabolism but it’s not low either, just right in the middle.  What’s your issue with it coach, what would you advise?

I don’t have an issue with anything. Just a suggestion to add in the arimidex

[AbrahamG]

I was just gonna say 250 mgs of any type of Test is a great starting point and you`ll make quality gains.

I think so too.  I'd save deca and all the other bullshit for much later.  Hell, after 40 test, var & proviron are probably all I'd recommend touching.  

[joswift]

Also how long and based on the metabolic rate I’m saying what is the calorie range

If you dont know how many calories to eat then you shouldnt be thinking about taking drugs

[joswift]

I don’t have an issue with anything. Just a suggestion to add in the arimidex

Im now worried that you coach collegde kids, do you give them the same advice?

[DanielPaul]

And as of last year my free testosterone was far too high for the doc to recommend trt, I’ve lifted for 25 years and eat fairly well don’t drink or smoke so supposedly this is why.

[wes]

Im now worried that you coach collegde kids, do you give them the same advice?

I`m sure Joe doesn`t,but ESF recommends insulin for teens................... ...true story if you believe the source of course.

[AbrahamG]

And as of last year my free testosterone was far too high for the doc to recommend trt, I’ve lifted for 25 years and eat fairly well don’t drink or smoke so supposedly this is why.

Post testicle pic or I'm calling bullshit.

[deadz]

This + 1/2 to 1mg arimidex EOD

Adex depends on how he individually converts Test to Estrogen. I use 750mgs of TE weekly and only use 1mg of adex weekly which keeps my estradiol in range. Best to do labs to determine adex usage.

[DanielPaul]

I think so too.  I'd save deca and all the other bullshit for much later.  Hell, after 40 test, var & proviron are probably all I'd recommend touching.  

the only reason I say deca is for joint and ligament issues that’s it.  I’ve had bursitis in my shoulder and on and off issues with tendinitis and read it could help

[wes]

WAAAAAY back in the dark ages,my first cycle was 15 mgs. of CIBA D-Bol and I looked like a new man and was stronger than hell.

[deadz]

the only reason I say deca is for joint and ligament issues that’s it.  I’ve had bursitis in my shoulder and on and off issues with tendinitis and read it could help

Then go with 100mg of Deca weekly if you’re using it for joints.

[DanielPaul]

Then go with 100mg of Deca weekly if you’re using it for joints.

and test?

[Rambone]

I thought you were a real coach, what are you suggesting 3 compounds for a fisrt course, you have no idea how he would respond from 250mgs test alone, once you chuck in three compounds you dont know whats working or if a lower dose would work just as well.
Starting on a minimum dose gives you a better gauge of future use

I like coach, but I agree with you.

[deadz]

and test?

Id still say 200 to 250mgs per week.

[deadz]

I thought you were a real coach, what are you suggesting 3 compounds for a fisrt course, you have no idea how he would respond from 250mgs test alone, once you chuck in three compounds you dont know whats working or if a lower dose would work just as well.
Starting on a minimum dose gives you a better gauge of future use

DP wanted to know dosages of three compounds that’s what we gave him.