What’s the answer to quality-of-life crimes in SF. DA candidates give answers

[Dos Equis]

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What’s the answer to quality-of-life crimes in SF. DA candidates give answers
Phil Matier Oct. 27, 2019 Updated: Oct. 27, 2019

One of the biggest questions in the San Francsico district attorney race is how candidates plan to handle “quality-of-life” crimes like vehicle break-ins, public intoxication, drug dealing, petty theft and graffiti.

Here’s how the four candidates responded to an American Civil Liberties Union questionnaire on the issue.

• Chesa Boudin: “We will not prosecute cases involving quality-of-life crimes. Crimes such as public camping, offering or soliciting sex, public urination, blocking a sidewalk, etc., should not and will not be prosecuted. Many of these crimes are still being prosecuted, we have a long way to go to decriminalize poverty and homelessness.”

• Suzy Loftus: “Past practices of an over-reliance on citations are costly, redirect vital resources away from significant crimes and disproportionately impact working class, juvenile, immigrant, and indigent populations. Over-reliance on charging quality-of-life infractions has not proven effective at deterring aberrant behaviors. I will prioritize taking a problem solving-approach to quality of life concerns that engages our city partners and community based organizations to more effectively remedy neighborhood concerns.

• Leif Dautch: “While no one should ever be prosecuted for a status offense or simply because of their poverty, quality-of-life offenses like car break-ins sometimes require prosecution. ... So I make a point at our house parties and campaign events of telling people who are understandably concerned about quality-of-life issues in our city that accountability for those offenses does not mean targeting the homeless, which would be both ineffective and morally problematic.”

• Nancy Tung: “I will not eliminate prosecution for these offenses. I believe that these crimes are an opportunity for intervention, to get a person services, job training or other opportunities as a pathway out of the criminal justice system. Diversions are indeed a tool of a prosecution, as are deferred prosecutions. At the same time, I do not believe we should sacrifice some of our most vulnerable communities by allowing quality-of-Life crimes to persist unchecked.”

https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/What-s-the-answer-to-quality-of-life-crimes-in-14563426.php

[SOMEPARTS]

I'm sure no one in SanFran is currently being prosecuted for public pooping. If you can't enforce that why try?

[Primemuscle]

On this platform, I'd go with Leif Dautch. His views seem the most reasonable and workable.

[SOMEPARTS]

On this platform, I'd go with Leif Dautch. His views seem the most reasonable and workable.

His quote said literally nothing. Political speak.

[Primemuscle]

His quote said literally nothing. Political speak.

So what? Which of those people would you vote for and why?

[IroNat]

Tung says she will prosecute.

[SOMEPARTS]

So what? Which of those people would you vote for and why?

Only one of them actually admits they would uphold a single law. The only job of a prosecutor is to enforce law. .. That one.

[Primemuscle]

Only one of them actually admits they would uphold a single law. The only job of a prosecutor is to enforce law. .. That one.

Okay, good point. However, prosecuting people for breaking frivolous laws is not practical. It clogs the court system and rarely results in incarceration, because there isn't enough jail space to house people who are homeless, engage in prostitution or use illegal drugs (AAS for example), etc. The police hesitate to arrest people who will barely be given a slap on the hand and won't see any jail time or fines that they will pay.

[SOMEPARTS]

Okay, good point. However, prosecuting people for breaking frivolous laws is not practical. It clogs the court system and rarely results in incarceration, because there isn't enough jail space to house people who are homeless, engage in prostitution or use illegal drugs (AAS for example), etc. The police hesitate to arrest people who will barely be given a slap on the hand and won't see any jail time or fines that they will pay.

Are you saying that poop on the street is a victimless crime in SF? How about those tents and campers in Portland? Nobody affected by that either right? Prostitution and the drug culture around it? Nobody hurt by any of that either? How about protestors blocking the streets and sidewalks? Boss says it's fine you're late for that I suppose? Ridiculous enabling of societal destruction on the west coast.

[IRON CROSS]

Are you saying that poop on the street is a victimless crime in SF? How about those tents and campers in Portland? Nobody affected by that either right? Prostitution and the drug culture around it? Nobody hurt by any of that either? How about protestors blocking the streets and sidewalks? Boss says it's fine you're late for that I suppose? Ridiculous enabling of societal destruction on the west coast.

SF city should employ PrimeNancy as a POOP eliminator 

[Primemuscle]

Are you saying that poop on the street is a victimless crime in SF? How about those tents and campers in Portland? Nobody affected by that either right? Prostitution and the drug culture around it? Nobody hurt by any of that either? How about protestors blocking the streets and sidewalks? Boss says it's fine you're late for that I suppose? Ridiculous enabling of societal destruction on the west coast.

Perhaps you need to reread what I posted. Nowhere did I say these were victimless crimes.

[chaos]

Tung says she will prosecute.

This

[JustPlaneJane]

I think the bigger question will be how long will the citizens of these liberal sanctuary shitholes put up with being the victims of these crimes and paying for the cleanup of these crimes, before they stop relying on politicians and start taking the law into their own hands?

[SOMEPARTS]

Perhaps you need to reread what I posted. Nowhere did I say these were victimless crimes.

Then why would you consider the Leif guy? A crime is a crime. A law is a law. Net result of non-enforcement is punishment of the victims.

I hate big govt and police state etc but people are too stupid for libertarianism...

Really - just and abundance of emotional, logic-free thought is ruining large cities on the west coast.

[SOMEPARTS]

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/diarrhea-poured-on-woman-hollywood-homeless-564585101.html


"It was diarrhea. Hot liquid. I was soaked, and it was coming off my eyelashes and into my eyes," Van Tassel said. "Paramedics who came to treat me said there was so much of it on me, that it looked like the man was saving it up for a month."

[IroNat]

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/diarrhea-poured-on-woman-hollywood-homeless-564585101.html


"It was diarrhea. Hot liquid. I was soaked, and it was coming off my eyelashes and into my eyes," Van Tassel said. "Paramedics who came to treat me said there was so much of it on me, that it looked like the man was saving it up for a month."

Give that homeless guy $2,000 and a bus ticket to NYC.

[IRON CROSS]

Public urination in Sydney will you cost  $ 500 ( & more) , the Summary Offences Act of NSW 

[IRON CROSS]

Give that homeless guy $2,000 and a bus ticket to NYC.

No !.

1 way air ticket to Honduras or Guatemala  

Credit card with $ 2000 ,& money can be withdraw only from  'X' ATM in Guatemala City (UN is issuing those cards to 'refugees') 

Cancel his pasport after arrival in Guatemala  

& good luck to him  

[Primemuscle]

Then why would you consider the Leif guy? A crime is a crime. A law is a law. Net result of non-enforcement is punishment of the victims.

I hate big govt and police state etc but people are too stupid for libertarianism...

Really - just and abundance of emotional, logic-free thought is ruining large cities on the west coast.

Then build more jails and pay for more foster homes for the displaced kids. Arresting these folks and going through the expensive process of convicting them only to cut them loose sends a really bad message.

[IroNat]

There must be a deserted island somewhere to send these people too. 

One without trees so they can't build boats to escape.

Send a supply ship by every 6 months with cases of SPAM.

[IRON CROSS]

There must be a deserted island somewhere to send these people too. 

One without trees so they can't build boats to escape.

Send a supply ship by every 6 months with cases of SPAM.

Just do chemical castration & they will get very passive 

[Primemuscle]

There must be a deserted island somewhere to send these people too. 

One without trees so they can't build boats to escape.

Send a supply ship by every 6 months with cases of SPAM.

-Interesting idea which will probably never happen.

[JustPlaneJane]

There must be a deserted island somewhere to send these people too. 

One without trees so they can't build boats to escape.

Send a supply ship by every 6 months with cases of SPAM.

Use the Rule of 80:

If your age + prison sentence > 80 then you get put to death

[Irongrip400]

I think the bigger question will be how long will the citizens of these liberal sanctuary shitholes put up with being the victims of these crimes and paying for the cleanup of these crimes, before they stop relying on politicians and start taking the law into their own hands?

They don’t, they just move to Texas and stir up shit there with their fucked views on how the world should work. Much like any other immigrant who moves from said shit hole and doesn’t change their ways when they move to their new Eutopia.

Okay, good point. However, prosecuting people for breaking frivolous laws is not practical. It clogs the court system and rarely results in incarceration, because there isn't enough jail space to house people who are homeless, engage in prostitution or use illegal drugs (AAS for example), etc. The police hesitate to arrest people who will barely be given a slap on the hand and won't see any jail time or fines that they will pay.

Breaking into a car is not breaking a frivolous law. A lot could go wrong because of this situation.

[SOMEPARTS]

Breaking into a car is not breaking a frivolous law. A lot could go wrong because of this situation.

Frustrating having to explain this to adults.