Bodybuilding Hit the Wall 20 Years Ago.

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[Matt]

amazing...

Breaking your post down:

[1] The old version of Ronnie beats the new version of Yates [correct].

[2] The old version of Yates beats the new version of Ruhl [correct].

[3] The slightly older version of Platz juxtapositioned alongside the post op version of Fux in tandem with the syncopatic intertwining of Padilla and Franco [correct].

 

[pellius]

The opinions about the best years or last great years of bodybuilding depend on when you came into liking bodybuilding as a fan.  I grew up in the 80's and like those physiques best.  I think Ronnie Coleman looked like shit.

I think it ended with Haney maybe going into early Dorian who ushered in the age of the "mass monsters".

[DooM_]

early 90's was the beginning of the end ,  insulin, hgh and synthol ruined it . . .

[pellius]

early 90's was the beginning of the end ,  insulin, hgh and synthol ruined it . . .

Agreed. I wonder with something like bbing, having big muscles, how far can you go?
If the sport has to advance, since there's not much you can do regarding structure and muscle shape, the only thing left is getting bigger. Unless the standards change where else can they go? If they just decide on pure aesthetics then it becomes a much more elite endeavor relying even more on genetics. In other words, it's like you're either born handsome or you're not. You have a Bob Paris/Berry DeMay physique or a Branch Warren/Paco structure. Right now packing on a ton of muscle can make up for lack of beauty but the human body is being distorted to a point where it's killing them.

[Da Freak]

Bodybuilding peaked with Arnold.

most over rated bodybuilder in history.

[AbrahamG]

I don't think 93 Dorian has been surpassed, nor will it ever.

[pellius]

most over rated bodybuilder in history.

Who do you think was better during the 70-75 era?

[pellius]

I don't think 93 Dorian has been surpasses, nor will it ever.

Yes, that was probably the peak of size, proportion, and conditioning that a human can attain without that distorted look they have today.

[illuminati]

most over rated bodybuilder in history.

Arnold Overated Really

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

And how you figure that then.

[illuminati]

Pretty much all down hill from there.
With A Few exceptions Peak
Kevin
Flex
Ronnie
09 Cutler
Even Phildo

[Natural_O]

How so?

The eighties Haney era improved on Arnold's era by pushing the conditioning, there were no leaps in size but certainly in condition.

The gh and slin era that started in Yates era pushed the size boundary but at the expense of other attributes such as balance and proportion. I think mass became overvalued. At least those guys still trained balls to walls however.

Nowadays it the worse of both worlds. Too much drugs and shitty training and you can see it on stage.

Right on, 100%!

[AbrahamG]

Yes, that was probably the peak of size, proportion, and conditioning that a human can attain without that distorted look they have today.

His presentation and execution of the mandatories and even his quarterly turns were bang on.  No weak points either in 93.

[Taffin]

early 90's was the beginning of the end ,  insulin, hgh and synthol ruined it . . .

It makes you wonder why someone doesn't try an old-school approach, just for once.  If it's insulin that is really causing the glazed doughnut look why isn't someone brave enough to drop it and come in shredded I wonder..?  I mean, I doubt Shawn Ray ever messed with his pancreas to get into this condition and he holds his own against Dorian here (IMHO)

Both sides of pose

[a_pupil]

It makes you wonder why someone doesn't try an old-school approach, just for once.  If it's insulin that is really causing the glazed doughnut look why isn't someone brave enough to drop it and come in shredded I wonder..?  I mean, I doubt Shawn Ray ever messed with his pancreas to get into this condition and he holds his own against Dorian here (IMHO)

Both sides of pose

  @ the difference in guts

[tres_taco_combo]

mens classic is solid and womens bikini and figure are also amazing classes

men's open sucks for the following reasons
1. chasing the size game creates terrible bodies most of the time (all the excess GH/slin and carbs) gives a softer look.

2. back in the day, there was not much out there except men's open bbing so all lifters went the bb route, now guys go men's classic, men's physique, do cross fit, some just do social media and do not compete at all so what could be top men's open bbers in terms of genetics dont even dip their toe in the water of this class

[Earl1972]

Is the consensus that 1998 Ronnie beats any version of Phil?  Or...is the consensus that any version of Ronnie beats any version of Phil during their Mr. Olympia tenures?

98, 99, 2003 ronnie are unbeatable in a contest, it's not a legit debate outside of fanboyism and bias

i'm not sure his other versions are beatable either, outside of 2002

phil from 2011 -2014 would definitely beat ronnie in 2002, possibly 2001

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[Schmoff]

look at dorian's face, thats the meaning of condition and dryness

[NarcissisticDeity]

98, 99, 2003 ronnie are unbeatable in a contest, it's not a legit debate outside of fanboyism and bias

i'm not sure his other versions are beatable either, outside of 2002

phil from 2011 -2014 would definitely beat ronnie in 2002, possibly 2001

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Irony alert.

Ronnie 1998 only beat Flex by 3 points a close contest. Flex peaked for the 1998 ASC that year and if he showed up in that shape would have most likely beaten Ronnie. Phil would have NEVER beat Ronnie,EVER. You would have to know how contests are judged in order to draw a conclusion if Phil could and years of correcting your ignorance on the subject leads us back to your bias and ignorance.

Phil greatest of his generation and against his contemporaries but he would NOT touch Ronnie  

[IronMagazine.com]

As they continue to create more and more divisions (to make more $) bodybuilding continues to go down the tubes and nobody cares anymore.

[Earl1972]

Irony alert.

Ronnie 1998 only beat Flex by 3 points a close contest. Flex peaked for the 1998 ASC that year and if he showed up in that shape would have most likely beaten Ronnie. Phil would have NEVER beat Ronnie,EVER. You would have to know how contests are judged in order to draw a conclusion if Phil could and years of correcting your ignorance on the subject leads us back to your bias and ignorance.

Phil greatest of his generation and against his contemporaries but he would NOT touch Ronnie  

what irony?  you know who i'm a fanboy of and it isn't ronnie

don't care about the points, flex was the favorite to win going into the contest and the judges have a major tendency to judge guys based on what they looked like previously

show me the 98 asc pics where flex has large striated glues and hamstrings like ronnie at the olympia or a back that is even slightly comparable, or heck any body part that is comparable

no version of flex beats ronnie in 98 and neither does anybody else, amazing how after all these years you still haven't invested in glasses, lose the bias already

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[Earl1972]

people thought gunther beat ronnie in 2002, but no version of phil heath beats him in 2002


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[Earl1972]

everybody likes flex 93 right?   it's his supposed best, or at least his most popular look

well check out this comparison



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[Humble Narcissist]

everybody likes flex 93 right?   it's his supposed best, or at least his most popular look

well check out this comparison



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How about the gut when standing relaxed?

[NarcissisticDeity]

what irony?  you know who i'm a fanboy of and it isn't ronnie

don't care about the points, flex was the favorite to win going into the contest and the judges have a major tendency to judge guys based on what they looked like previously

show me the 98 asc pics where flex has large striated glues and hamstrings like ronnie at the olympia or a back that is even slightly comparable, or heck any body part that is comparable

no version of flex beats ronnie in 98 and neither does anybody else, amazing how after all these years you still haven't invested in glasses, lose the bias already

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what irony?  you know who i'm a fanboy of and it isn't ronnie

Bias

don't care about the points, flex was the favorite to win going into the contest and the judges have a major tendency to judge guys based on what they looked like previously

Obviously but facts are still facts regardless if you don't care about them. just 3 points separated the two. And Flex was the heir apparent , if anything Nasser was the front runner for placing second the precious year, The judges made the right call, although Ronnie should have not won with bitch-tits 

show me the 98 asc pics where flex has large striated glues and hamstrings like ronnie at the olympia or a back that is even slightly comparable, or heck any body part that is comparable

Show me 98 pictures of Ronnie without female breasts. Still don't get how contests are judged after all these years. Poses win contests NOT parts.

no version of flex beats ronnie in 98 and neither does anybody else, amazing how after all these years you still haven't invested in glasses, lose the bias already

1993/1998 Flex ASC in my opinion would beat Ronnie 1998. Dorian Yates 1993/1995 would DEMOLISH Ronnie 1998. And stop projecting your ignorance on others. And Phil doesn't come close to Flex , Ronnie or Dorian. Best of his era but his era sucks.