For all you know alls who claimed Mike Tyson was scared of George Foreman

[che]

Tyson in his prime could have beaten any boxer of that era ,Ali ,Foreman ,Norton  ..........etc .  Tyson was a bigger ,faster, more powerful  ,more technical version of Joe Frazier, Tyson would have more problems with today shitty heavyweights  than the heavies of the past,  I don't care how talented you are a guy like Tyson Fury with a  14 inch reach advantage would've  been  a nightmare for Tyson

[beakdoctor]

Tyson in his prime could have beaten any boxer of that era ,Ali ,Foreman ,Norton  ..........etc .  Tyson was a bigger ,faster, more powerful  ,more technical version of Joe Frazier, Tyson would have more problems with today shitty heavyweights  than the heavies of the past,  I don't care how talented you are a guy like Tyson Fury with a  14 inch reach advantage would've  been  a nightmare for Tyson

Another dumbass comment.

[che]

Another dumbass comment.

STFU ,you don't know a fucking thing about boxing

[tres_taco_combo]

these threads are just

phil vs 1993 flex
or Yates vs ronnie

haha 

[AbrahamG]

Tyson in his prime could have beaten any boxer of that era ,Ali ,Foreman ,Norton  ..........etc .  Tyson was a bigger ,faster, more powerful  ,more technical version of Joe Frazier, Tyson would have more problems with today shitty heavyweights  than the heavies of the past,  I don't care how talented you are a guy like Tyson Fury with a  14 inch reach advantage would've  been  a nightmare for Tyson

Tyson "could" have beaten fighters from that era NOT named Ali. 

Tyson was a front runner.  The king of "the silent agreement".  I think if Mike Tyson was staring across the ring at a prime Sonny Liston or prime George Foreman, he would have shit his pants.  Forget about Ali, he has way too much character for a fragile soul like Michael Gerard Tyson.

[joswift]

Tyson "could" have beaten fighters from that era NOT named Ali.  

Tyson was a front runner.  The king of "the silent agreement".  I think if Mike Tyson was staring across the ring at a prime Sonny Liston or prime George Foreman, he would have shit his pants.  Forget about Ali, he has way too much character for a fragile soul like Michael Gerard Tyson.

Imagine how Tyson would be wound up by Ali in the build up to the fight... Ali would have played with him

And Tyson was great until he met someone who wasnt scared of him
Frazier, Foreman and Liston werent scared of any fighter, Liston was scared of the mob though...

[SuperTed]

I don't care how talented you are a guy like Tyson Fury with a  14 inch reach advantage would've  been  a nightmare for Tyson

Fury said in an interview after he beat Klitschko that he actually prefers fighting taller boxers since he finds them easier to hit and defend against. I think he feels shorter fighters can slip under his jab and cause him more problems. McDermott gave a young Fury hell in their first fight and cruiserweight Cunningham dropped him.
I actually think Andy Ruiz will be the most challenging fight for Fury for this reason.

[ponal]

Imagine how Tyson would be wound up by Ali in the build up to the fight... Ali would have played with him

And Tyson was great until he met someone who wasnt scared of him
Frazier, Foreman and Liston werent scared of any fighter, Liston was scared of the mob though...

would have been a great fight watching two muslims beating each other to a pulp.

[Darren Avey]

Tyson "could" have beaten fighters from that era NOT named Ali. 

Tyson was a front runner.  The king of "the silent agreement".  I think if Mike Tyson was staring across the ring at a prime Sonny Liston or prime George Foreman, he would have shit his pants.  Forget about Ali, he has way too much character for a fragile soul like Michael Gerard Tyson.

Listen was far weaker minded. Also weaker,  slower, smaller.
Tyson wins quick

[AbrahamG]

Listen was far weaker minded. Also weaker,  slower, smaller.
Tyson wins quick

No sir.  Listons jab would have not only kept Mike at bay, but hurt him and discouraged him.  I love Mike Tyson and how he has persevered in spite of all he's been through.  He is winning the battle of life, finally.  But, Sonny Liston was a straight up gangster.  Mike was always a scared little boy on the inside.  If Mike didn't get him inside of 3, he had ZERO chance.

[rocket]

Tyson has freely admitted that he was scared of all his opponents.  I think that's what made him so ferocious - until he didn't care about losing any more.

[johnny1]

Tyson in his prime could have beaten any boxer of that era ,Ali ,Foreman ,Norton  ..........etc .  Tyson was a bigger ,faster, more powerful  ,more technical version of Joe Frazier, Tyson would have more problems with today shitty heavyweights  than the heavies of the past,  I don't care how talented you are a guy like Tyson Fury with a  14 inch reach advantage would've  been  a nightmare for Tyson

Theres truths in your point accuracy in a more versatile version of Frazier, frazier had that awesome left hook a PRIME TYSON had the right hand, left n right hooks, uppercuts and body shots from
Hell.

I tell you something that always gives me a good laugh...most people that don’t understand how combat actually works say the same old thing...Tyson was great until someone came along that wasn’t “afraid of him”.

The reality is imo Tyson beat HIMSELF...Forget all the physical strengths he had in his prime NOBODY talks about what truly made him exceptional....His DEFENCE.

The reason he was who he was his defence Nobody could catch him CLEENLY and in his prime if your not catching Mike Tyson cleenly your getting hit back lighting fast with combinations too the body and head.

(Tony tucker did way back in 1986-87) with a uppercut from HELL he hit Tyson so hard it lifted Tyson off both feet...Tyson just grinned and keep on coming forward bobbing and weaving and tucker never caught him Cleanly again.

Point is when Tyson STOP practicing his art of hit...and not get hit and started just standing there taking shots like he did against Douglas and the rest of him them Holyfield etc...that EVENED the playing field...that’s the reality of what happened too him... getting up @ 4am going for that run every morning...fuck it....why should I?

When moving my head from Side too side when someone throws punches @ it...fuck it...why should i? I can take it...etc etc...

when that mindset took over that was the REAL beginning of the end for mike Tyson but make no mistake in his absolute prime before all that type of mindset kicked in he was a extremely dangerous fighter with incredible foot speed, hand speed, power too the head and body and defensively...that’s what separated him form ANYONE Before or since was the Defence...and for every punch you missed you got back 6 in return.

“Mentally” fragile...GTFOH in his prime that word wasn’t associated with Tyson between 1985-1989 as a actual fighter in the ring...when he stopped practicing his art/craft of boxing....he was finished from Douglas onwards.

[Matt]

these threads are just

phil vs 1993 flex
or Yates vs ronnie

haha 

Ronnie.

[AbrahamG]

Theres truths in your point accuracy in a more versatile version of Frazier, frazier had that awesome left hook a PRIME TYSON had the right hand, left n right hooks, uppercuts and body shots from
Hell.

I tell you something that always gives me a good laugh...most people that don’t understand how combat actually works say the same old thing...Tyson was great until someone came along that wasn’t “afraid of him”.

The reality is imo Tyson beat HIMSELF...Forget all the physical strengths he had in his prime NOBODY talks about what truly made him exceptional....His DEFENCE.

The reason he was who he was his defence Nobody could catch him CLEENLY and in his prime if your not catching Mike Tyson cleenly your getting hit back lighting fast with combinations too the body and head.

(Tony tucker did way back in 1986-87) with a uppercut from HELL he hit Tyson so hard it lifted Tyson off both feet...Tyson just grinned and keep on coming forward bobbing and weaving and tucker never caught him Cleanly again.

Point is when Tyson STOP practicing his art of hit...and not get hit and started just standing there taking shots like he did against Douglas and the rest of him them Holyfield etc...that EVENED the playing field...that’s the reality of what happened too him... getting up @ 4am going for that run every morning...fuck it....why should I?

When moving my head from Side too side when someone throws punches @ it...fuck it...why should i? I can take it...etc etc...

when that mindset took over that was the REAL beginning of the end for mike Tyson but make no mistake in his absolute prime before all that type of mindset kicked in he was a extremely dangerous fighter with incredible foot speed, hand speed, power too the head and body and defensively...that’s what separated him form ANYONE Before or since was the Defence...and for every punch you missed you got back 6 in return.

“Mentally” fragile...GTFOH in his prime that word wasn’t associated with Tyson between 1985-1989 as a actual fighter in the ring...when he stopped practicing his art/craft of boxing....he was finished from Douglas onwards.

Talk to those that know/knew him.  They'll tell you otherwise.  He was a once in a generation talent but mentally weak. 

[che]

Theres truths in your point accuracy in a more versatile version of Frazier, frazier had that awesome left hook a PRIME TYSON had the right hand, left n right hooks, uppercuts and body shots from
Hell.

I tell you something that always gives me a good laugh...most people that don’t understand how combat actually works say the same old thing...Tyson was great until someone came along that wasn’t “afraid of him”.

The reality is imo Tyson beat HIMSELF...Forget all the physical strengths he had in his prime NOBODY talks about what truly made him exceptional....His DEFENCE.

The reason he was who he was his defence Nobody could catch him CLEENLY and in his prime if your not catching Mike Tyson cleenly your getting hit back lighting fast with combinations too the body and head.

(Tony tucker did way back in 1986-87) with a uppercut from HELL he hit Tyson so hard it lifted Tyson off both feet...Tyson just grinned and keep on coming forward bobbing and weaving and tucker never caught him Cleanly again.

Point is when Tyson STOP practicing his art of hit...and not get hit and started just standing there taking shots like he did against Douglas and the rest of him them Holyfield etc...that EVENED the playing field...that’s the reality of what happened too him... getting up @ 4am going for that run every morning...fuck it....why should I?

When moving my head from Side too side when someone throws punches @ it...fuck it...why should i? I can take it...etc etc...

when that mindset took over that was the REAL beginning of the end for mike Tyson but make no mistake in his absolute prime before all that type of mindset kicked in he was a extremely dangerous fighter with incredible foot speed, hand speed, power too the head and body and defensively...that’s what separated him form ANYONE Before or since was the Defence...and for every punch you missed you got back 6 in return.

“Mentally” fragile...GTFOH in his prime that word wasn’t associated with Tyson between 1985-1989 as a actual fighter in the ring...when he stopped practicing his art/craft of boxing....he was finished from Douglas onwards.

Good post ,I agree that Tyson beat himself but not because of  his  defense ,  I think it  was the combination of   past demons, no guidance by vultures and leeches around him ,money ,fame  ,   the lack of training because  he  thought he was invincible, and going to jail completely killed his career ,the Tyson post jail didn't have it in him  anymore .

[che]

Talk to those that know/knew him.  They'll tell you otherwise.  He was a once in a generation talent but mentally weak. 

C'mon man you are just repeating  what other retards say , you don't become the youngest Heavyweight Champion of the world,  in one of the toughest sports in the world being mentally weak , common sense bro.

[AbrahamG]

C'mon man you are just repeating  what other retards say , you don't become the youngest Heavyweight Champion of the world,  in one of the toughest sports in the world being mentally weak , common sense bro.

No.  Not really.  Been obsessed with boxing since I was 8.  These are my observations, not those of other retards.  You come across as a fan boy.  His talent and god given physical attributes are undeniable.  His prime was in a weak era (not his fault) but the guys from that era that didn't crumble went 12 boring ass rounds with him.  So imagine if Bonecrusher Smith had a quarter of Sonny Liston in him, what would have happened.  You don't have to imagine because Buster Douglass came along and showed us. 

[IroNat]

Theres truths in your point accuracy in a more versatile version of Frazier, frazier had that awesome left hook a PRIME TYSON had the right hand, left n right hooks, uppercuts and body shots from
Hell.

I tell you something that always gives me a good laugh...most people that don’t understand how combat actually works say the same old thing...Tyson was great until someone came along that wasn’t “afraid of him”.

The reality is imo Tyson beat HIMSELF...Forget all the physical strengths he had in his prime NOBODY talks about what truly made him exceptional....His DEFENCE.

The reason he was who he was his defence Nobody could catch him CLEENLY and in his prime if your not catching Mike Tyson cleenly your getting hit back lighting fast with combinations too the body and head.

(Tony tucker did way back in 1986-87) with a uppercut from HELL he hit Tyson so hard it lifted Tyson off both feet...Tyson just grinned and keep on coming forward bobbing and weaving and tucker never caught him Cleanly again.

Point is when Tyson STOP practicing his art of hit...and not get hit and started just standing there taking shots like he did against Douglas and the rest of him them Holyfield etc...that EVENED the playing field...that’s the reality of what happened too him... getting up @ 4am going for that run every morning...fuck it....why should I?

When moving my head from Side too side when someone throws punches @ it...fuck it...why should i? I can take it...etc etc...

when that mindset took over that was the REAL beginning of the end for mike Tyson but make no mistake in his absolute prime before all that type of mindset kicked in he was a extremely dangerous fighter with incredible foot speed, hand speed, power too the head and body and defensively...that’s what separated him form ANYONE Before or since was the Defence...and for every punch you missed you got back 6 in return.

“Mentally” fragile...GTFOH in his prime that word wasn’t associated with Tyson between 1985-1989 as a actual fighter in the ring...when he stopped practicing his art/craft of boxing....he was finished from Douglas onwards.

Excellent post.

[joswift]

Teddy Atlas summed Tyson up best.. when it came down to it he had no fight in him, he couldnt dig down in the trenches, he always had an advantage over his opponents because of the media hype that surroinded him, once his mask was removed he was fair game.

[Wiggs]

Theres truths in your point accuracy in a more versatile version of Frazier, frazier had that awesome left hook a PRIME TYSON had the right hand, left n right hooks, uppercuts and body shots from
Hell.

I tell you something that always gives me a good laugh...most people that don’t understand how combat actually works say the same old thing...Tyson was great until someone came along that wasn’t “afraid of him”.

The reality is imo Tyson beat HIMSELF...Forget all the physical strengths he had in his prime NOBODY talks about what truly made him exceptional....His DEFENCE.

The reason he was who he was his defence Nobody could catch him CLEENLY and in his prime if your not catching Mike Tyson cleenly your getting hit back lighting fast with combinations too the body and head.

(Tony tucker did way back in 1986-87) with a uppercut from HELL he hit Tyson so hard it lifted Tyson off both feet...Tyson just grinned and keep on coming forward bobbing and weaving and tucker never caught him Cleanly again.

Point is when Tyson STOP practicing his art of hit...and not get hit and started just standing there taking shots like he did against Douglas and the rest of him them Holyfield etc...that EVENED the playing field...that’s the reality of what happened too him... getting up @ 4am going for that run every morning...fuck it....why should I?

When moving my head from Side too side when someone throws punches @ it...fuck it...why should i? I can take it...etc etc...

when that mindset took over that was the REAL beginning of the end for mike Tyson but make no mistake in his absolute prime before all that type of mindset kicked in he was a extremely dangerous fighter with incredible foot speed, hand speed, power too the head and body and defensively...that’s what separated him form ANYONE Before or since was the Defence...and for every punch you missed you got back 6 in return.

“Mentally” fragile...GTFOH in his prime that word wasn’t associated with Tyson between 1985-1989 as a actual fighter in the ring...when he stopped practicing his art/craft of boxing....he was finished from Douglas onwards.

You know your boxing Johnny.

[beakdoctor]

STFU ,you don't know a fucking thing about boxing

More than you, chump.

[beakdoctor]

Tyson was  mentally fragile. He was a physical specimen and a student of boxing. When he had Kevin Rooney in his corner he had enough discipline to become the youngest Hvywt champ. But Mike has said it it himself. He was a head case if you can't see that you're blind. An example is being manipulated into dumping Rooney for Aaron Snowell and Ritchis Giachetti. Seriously. His mental weakness is self evident. Its plainly obvious. It was his downfall. Fans of his allow their fondness of his brutality in the ring and his brutal honesty out of the ring to cloud their judgement of him as a person.

[che]

He was a head case if you can't see that you're blind.

Let me tell you a secret ,(and I know this because I spent 20 years of my life in a boxing gym around professional and amateur boxers) , 90 % maybe  more  of boxers are mental cases , everyone struggles ,  the  only difference is that , some just hide it better than others .

[beakdoctor]

Let me tell you a secret ,(and I know this because I spent 20 years of my life in a boxing gym around professional and amateur boxers) , 90 % maybe  more  of boxers are mental cases , everyone struggles ,  the  only difference is that , some just hide it better than others .

For once I am in agreement with you.... now...

Let me tell you a secret: you're not the only person to have spent years in a boxing gym.

[Alucard]

Foreman did well trying to put his name out there when he came back in 1987, he created a huge hype's machine behind himself, and Tyson obviously was the guy to call out since he was the man.

Tyson also was considered somewhat similar to Frazier, by many that don't know what they're watching, so lots of people thought that Foreman had a chance. Add to that some propaganda's articles by insiders, and you had all the hype behind a possible Tyson-Foreman's matchup, with the rumor that Tyson was scared.

Now, i don't know if Foreman would've took the fight or not, seeing how he carefully picked all his opponents and avoided the big guys, probably not unless huge money. What's sure is that he had no chance whatsoever in that fight.

Foreman, who was a bigger, stronger and a better fighter when he came back, compared to his 70s caveman, lighter and green version of himself, was really too slow to compete with Tyson, and not athletic enough.

No heavyweight before Tyson's time would beat him, especially punching-bag Muhammad Ali. Tyson was too fast, too technically sound, too strong, too athletic and hit too hard for the limited guys from the 70s, 60s and before.