Is low-volume training correlated with mental instability?

[IroNat]

You train for your objective.

As for Arthur Jones and his theories, NFL and college teams got sold on his ideas...for awhile.  Then after their teams got ass-kicked they went back to doing power cleans and free weights.  

Machine training has its limitations.  Sitting on your butt or laying down doing exercises just doesn't strengthen the stabilizing muscles along the spine and core that are needed for real power and strength.  

Jones was a salesman/con-man.  He did make quality machines and sold a ton of them and made his fortune.  

His theories about strength training using machines were false.

[Humble Narcissist]

You train for your objective.

As for Arthur Jones and his theories, NFL and college teams got sold on his ideas...for awhile.  Then after their teams got ass-kicked they went back to doing power cleans and free weights.  

Machine training has its limitations.  Sitting on your butt or laying down doing exercises just doesn't strengthen the stabilizing muscles along the spine and core that are needed for real power and strength.  

Jones was a salesman/con-man.  He did make quality machines and sold a ton of them and made his fortune.  

His theories about strength training using machines were false.

Agreed.  Jones's genius wasn't science but marketing.  He convinced millions sitting in his "blue monster" machines was superior to free weights and calisthenics.

[Marty Champions]

You train for your objective.

As for Arthur Jones and his theories, NFL and college teams got sold on his ideas...for awhile.  Then after their teams got ass-kicked they went back to doing power cleans and free weights.  

Machine training has its limitations.  Sitting on your butt or laying down doing exercises just doesn't strengthen the stabilizing muscles along the spine and core that are needed for real power and strength.  

Jones was a salesman/con-man.  He did make quality machines and sold a ton of them and made his fortune.  

His theories about strength training using machines were false.

all good points
If my objective is to be big and strong as possible and lean then training has very little to do with it compared to calorie intake

You can have a medium volume traing routine at 4500 calories
Or low volume training with 5000 calories

After 6 months the 5kcalorie guy will be stronger ... The leaner of the two may be equal

[IroNat]

all good points
If my objective is to be big and strong as possible and lean then training has very little to do with it compared to calorie intake

You can have a medium volume traing routine at 4500 calories
Or low volume training with 5000 calories

After 6 months the 5kcalorie guy will be stronger ... The leaner of the two may be equal

Bodyfat levels are controlled by diet.

If you are cutting you will lose some strength because you lose muscle tissue along with fat.  Unless you are taking drugs.

Drugs alter everything so let's remove them from the equation and only assume natty.

For a natty, being as lean as possible and being as strong as possible are incompatible goals.  Neither will be achieved.

Training methods are most important for power and strength.  You can't train just any way if you want maximal power and strength.

Oly lifters compete in weight classes so some of them cut weight to be in a lower weight class.  They train specifically for their objective: power.  They don't do 3 sets of 10 incline curls.  Now this appears to contradict my earlier statement but it doesn't.  The Oly lifter will probably only drop water weight quickly for a short time and then re-hydrate prior to competition.  He also will not go to extreme low bodyfat levels in any event.

[oldtimer1]

You train for your objective.

As for Arthur Jones and his theories, NFL and college teams got sold on his ideas...for awhile.  Then after their teams got ass-kicked they went back to doing power cleans and free weights.  

Machine training has its limitations.  Sitting on your butt or laying down doing exercises just doesn't strengthen the stabilizing muscles along the spine and core that are needed for real power and strength.  

Jones was a salesman/con-man.  He did make quality machines and sold a ton of them and made his fortune.  

His theories about strength training using machines were false.

True, sitting in machines is not the way to train an athlete.

[Marty Champions]

Bodyfat levels are controlled by diet.

If you are cutting you will lose some strength because you lose muscle tissue along with fat.  Unless you are taking drugs.

Drugs alter everything so let's remove them from the equation and only assume natty.

For a natty, being as lean as possible and being as strong as possible are incompatible goals.  Neither will be achieved.

Training methods are most important for power and strength.  You can't train just any way if you want maximal power and strength.

Oly lifters compete in weight classes so some of them cut weight to be in a lower weight class.  They train specifically for their objective: power.  They don't do 3 sets of 10 incline curls.  Now this appears to contradict my earlier statement but it doesn't.  The Oly lifter will probably only drop water weight quickly for a short time and then re-hydrate prior to competition.  He also will not go to extreme low bodyfat levels in any event.

calories and type of food trump volume training or any specific training

A respectable balance of the two.  "strength vs leaness' still has everything to do 99 percent with quality of food and calories

Lack of mineral dense calories =more fat gain less muscle per kcal

[Sharma]

There is no overtraining - only under-eating and not sleeping enough.

[Marty Champions]

True, sitting in machines is not the way to train an athlete.

A natty athlete needs very little training just not sedentary
He just needs a good diet to maximize muscle to fat ratio

[Marty Champions]

There is no overtraining - only under-eating and not sleeping enough.

I disagree u get to a point of high volume training with little or no strength gain even if stuffing your face for a natty.

[IroNat]

A natty athlete needs very little training just not sedentary
He just needs a good diet to maximize muscle to fat ratio

What kind of athlete are you talking about?

Bowling?  Golfing?  Billiards?

[ponal]

just fucking lift 3-5 times a week maybe 3-5 sets per exercise.  a mix of compound & Fluffy moves .. letīs not get complicated here guys..FFS

[Hypertrophy]

There is no overtraining - only under-eating and not sleeping enough.

Hans Selye wrote a book and was nominated for a Nobel Prize for explaining why the above statement is completely wrong, haha.

[Hypertrophy]

just fucking lift 3-5 times a week maybe 3-5 sets per exercise.  a mix of compound & Fluffy moves .. letīs not get complicated here guys..FFS

So true. I lift twice every 7-10 days doing a whole body workout of just 7 exercises. After years of training I have discovered this gives me the greatest training effect possible. Natty of course.

[Griffith]

So true. I lift twice every 7-10 days doing a whole body workout of just 7 exercises. After years of training I have discovered this gives me the greatest training effect possible. Natty of course.

Been training twice a week as well and have noticed the same.

[Humble Narcissist]

So true. I lift twice every 7-10 days doing a whole body workout of just 7 exercises. After years of training I have discovered this gives me the greatest training effect possible. Natty of course.

Same.  Wish I knew this in my 20's as I would have had a lot of time for other pursuits.  Oh well, better late than never.

[Sharma]

Hans Selye wrote a book and was nominated for a Nobel Prize for explaining why the above statement is completely wrong, haha.

Haha, any pictures of this Nobel prize beast who tell men of muscle how to train because I bet you he a pencil neck pumpkin head who look like he never pick a weight or see the inside of a gymnasium in his life.

Am I right?

[LurkerNoMore]

Just to throw out an observation that I have made over and over in real life....     People training with moderate/high volume with moderate weights always seem to make fresh gains and improvements when they change over to a low rep, low volume, high intensity training program.   However, I have never really seen many (a few, but the vast majority do not) make new gains or see additional growth when changing from a low volume/high intensity program to a program with moderate or high volume and higher reps.

Arnold once said that after you build the muscle all you need to do is "polish it with getting a good pump".   The only advantage it seems that some people have from dropping the low volume / high intensity routine is to allow for minor nagging injuries to heal and give the CNS system a break.

Just what I have observed time and again.

[Humble Narcissist]

Just to throw out an observation that I have made over and over in real life....     People training with moderate/high volume with moderate weights always seem to make fresh gains and improvements when they change over to a low rep, low volume, high intensity training program.   However, I have never really seen many (a few, but the vast majority do not) make new gains or see additional growth when changing from a low volume/high intensity program to a program with moderate or high volume and higher reps.

Arnold once said that after you build the muscle all you need to do is "polish it with getting a good pump".   The only advantage it seems that some people have from dropping the low volume / high intensity routine is to allow for minor nagging injuries to heal and give the CNS system a break.

Just what I have observed time and again.

Arnold was right about that.  If HIT is so superior why did Viator, Oliva, Dearth, Baker, etc go back to volume?  Mentzer's peak was in 79 and he went downhill after that so he didn't continue making gains.  Arnold was actually his biggest in the 60's and got smaller but more refined through the 70's.  No bodybuilder continues making muscle gains indefinitely and natties stop after a few years of hard training.  Why continue to torture yourself when you can train for a pump, feel great and look the same?

[IroNat]

You get stale after awhile on any routine so you change it up in some way.

[Viking11]

Dr. Ellington Darden, Dr. Leistner (RIP), Dave Mastorakis, t al advocated and used low volume training for years and have no signs of mental instability that I have seen. I have used it almost exclusively in my adult years and it has worked very well.

[tres_taco_combo]

Arnold once said that after you build the muscle all you need to do is "polish it with getting a good pump".   The only advantage it seems that some people have from dropping the low volume / high intensity routine is to allow for minor nagging injuries to heal and give the CNS system a break.

Just what I have observed time and again.

nailed it

also you need to gain your size and strength when youth is on your side too.

[Hypertrophy]

Haha, any pictures of this Nobel prize beast who tell men of muscle how to train because I bet you he a pencil neck pumpkin head who look like he never pick a weight or see the inside of a gymnasium in his life.

Am I right?

Selye was an endocrinologist who was the first person to ever realize that hormone levels and the corresponding exhaustion of those hormones leads to physical collapse of living organisms.

Because of his work the physiological basis for steroids became evident and as a result lots of guys who couldn't gain an ounce of muscle if they tried suddenly became "mass monsters" haha.

[pellius]

Oh shut up! 😄

I know it doesn't reflect well on my character but I can't help but take a perverse pleasure getting under the skin of one of the many cowardly gimmicks who had hoped that their anonymity would spare them humiliation. Knowing that they associate my name with GetBig and every time they logged in they go through my post history looking desperate for an opportunity to even the score, or as Basil threatens "take care of some unfinished business." Following me around like a lost shadow.

Over the years being on this board I've developed a unique talent for singling out these unfortunate, lonely, cowardly souls and with my biting sarcasm and devastating wit, I am able to crush their already compromised self-image that they thought their anonymity would spare them from. Indeed, I believe I've actually rewired their brain circuitry and the mere mention or sight of my name "Pellius" causes newly develop synapses to fire wildly causing these meltdowns.

So, come along my latest little bitch, Ponal, I am finding it quite comfortable and enjoyable being ensconced in your tiny mind albeit a little cramped.

[Vince B]

I know it doesn't reflect well on my character but I can't help but take a perverse pleasure getting under the skin of one of the many cowardly gimmicks who had hoped that their anonymity would spare them humiliation. Knowing that they associate my name with GetBig and every time they logged in they go through my post history looking desperate for an opportunity to even the score, or a Basil threatens "take care of some unfinished business." Following me around like a lost shadow.

Over the years being on this board I've develop a unique talent for singling out these unfortunate, lonely, cowardly souls and with my biting sarcasm and devastating wit, I am able to crush their already compromised self-image that they thought their anonymity would spare them from. Indeed, I believe I've actually rewired their brain circuitry and the mere mention or sight of my name "Pellius" causes newly develop synapses to fire wildly causing these meltdowns.

So, come along my latest little bitch, Ponal, I am finding it quite comfortable and enjoyable being ensconced in your tiny mind albeit a little cramped.

Your own profile sounds like a sadistic pervert. Hope this helps.

[Vince B]

You train for your objective.

As for Arthur Jones and his theories, NFL and college teams got sold on his ideas...for awhile.  Then after their teams got ass-kicked they went back to doing power cleans and free weights.  

Machine training has its limitations.  Sitting on your butt or laying down doing exercises just doesn't strengthen the stabilizing muscles along the spine and core that are needed for real power and strength.  

Jones was a salesman/con-man.  He did make quality machines and sold a ton of them and made his fortune.  

His theories about strength training using machines were false.

 It all depends on how you define strength and how it is measured. If the test of leg strength was a full squat then those who squatted did better than those using machines. The transfer from machines to free weights wasn't that high. If you were really strong on the Nautilus Duo Squat machine it didn't mean you would be equally as strong in the full squat.