Author Topic: Covid-19 - Real or Hoax? Discuss  (Read 26931 times)

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #150 on: August 09, 2021, 01:35:47 PM »
who is saying they don't have the right to choose

Their choices do effect everyone else though because it's the unvaccinated that are now overwhelming hospitals across this country and that impacts everyone

It's also the reason why many places have re-instituted mask mandates

It's also the unvaccinated that are allowing the virus to continue to have a large body of hosts that allow the variants to mutate

All those things impact everyone whether they are vaccinated or not
its actually the opposite

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #151 on: August 09, 2021, 01:36:39 PM »
You have the right to choose but if you don't choose the vaccine we will take all of your rights away. ::)  Some choice.

This guy gave people choices, too


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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #152 on: August 09, 2021, 01:37:21 PM »
In the interest of finding the truth I want to ask some questions from the mind of layman like myself.  Since we know that the flu kills 60,000 to 70,000 people every year in the United States......

How many people died in 2020 reportedly from covid?  Was it vastly more than 60,000?

If it's vastly more than 60,000 and yet covid is a hoax then what explains the huge increase in deaths?

How many deaths in 2020 were attributed to the flu?

If that number is very low (which I thought it was) then what explains the low to nonexistent cases of the flu?

In the UK there were almost no flu deaths this flu season
They all got added to the covid stats
the 130k dead in the UK are pretty much anyone who has died of anything

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #153 on: August 09, 2021, 01:57:25 PM »
Didn’t we go over this:




I know how this plays out. To justify these interventions, they’re going to have to artificially bump up the victim numbers to the point where somebody gets hit by a truck and turns out to have a positive corona test is said to have died of corona.


Btw, it’s not a hoax. It’s a scheme. There’s a difference. The latter has a purpose other than to just fuck with people.


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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #154 on: August 09, 2021, 02:02:24 PM »
You realize that my statement was that even if you get the vaccine, you can STILL die from COVID? It wasn't an absolute suggesting that you get the vaccine and you'll die from COVID, nor was it suggesting that with the vaccine you can't die from it.

What I do know is that in less than a year since it's existence over 6,000+ people have died after receiving 1 or 2 doses of the vaccine as per the CDC. Additionally, there are numerous adverse effects from receiving the vaccine (strokes, myocarditis, heart attacks etc).

Why not give your own immune system a chance? Since when does a government determine what's best for your health and force something upon you?

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"Government" has forced vaccines on folks for a longtime. How long? The United States has a long history of school vaccination requirements. The first school vaccination requirement was enacted in the 1850s in Massachusetts to prevent the spread of smallpox. The polio vaccine is required in every state in the U.S. for school age children, https://www.immunize.org/laws/polio.pdf. DTaP is mandated for school age people in every state in the nation, https://www.immunize.org/laws/dtap.pdf. Hepatitis A vaccine requirements, https://www.immunize.org/laws/hepa.pdf.  Hepatitis B college requirements, https://www.immunize.org/laws/hepb_college.pdf  Varicella vaccine mandates for child care, pre-K, and K-12, https://www.immunize.org/laws/varicella.pdf. Pneumococcal Conjugate mandates, https://www.immunize.org/laws/varicella.pdf. Hib vaccine mandates for child care, https://www.immunize.org/laws/hib.pdf. And there are other vaccines which are mandated to a lesser degree in various circumstances and states.

If you want to travel to other countries or to the U.S. from other countries, various vaccines are mandated. Many of these are routine vaccines and boosters given children adults. Look for COVID vaccines to be mandated in more and more situations. Just today the pentagon moved to mandate Covid-19 vaccine for active duty military members. The list of corporations requiring employees be vaccinated is growing daily.  If you plan to travel to another country, better check first to see if a COVID vaccine is required.

Look for mandates and requirements surrounding COVID to become stricter and more commonplace as the virus mutates and continues to spread causing additional fears among people who have power and influence over other folks. 

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #155 on: August 09, 2021, 02:12:36 PM »
It’s really pointless to have a discussion about this with someone who doesn’t understand economics, financial markets and particularly central bank operations. If you try to school them about this they’re just gonna get pissed off at you for having knowledge of something about which they know nothing.

A mark on another thread asked why governments would all go along with this. I thought about answering and then decided “What’s the point?”

If anybody is interested in the answer it’s because it’s free money.

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #156 on: August 09, 2021, 02:18:27 PM »
Big report today on the news
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/climate-change-unequivocal-and-unprecedented-says-new-un-report

This has nothing to do with a virus
They are preparing people for a life without travel and a life with limited resources..

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #157 on: August 09, 2021, 02:28:40 PM »


China Flu is still not killing pilots , those boys fly everywhere & ............... ::)

+ not a single president or prime minister died from Wuhan virus ............ :-X

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #158 on: August 09, 2021, 03:24:20 PM »
its actually the opposite

Was just going to say this.

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #159 on: August 09, 2021, 03:46:52 PM »
"Government" has forced vaccines on folks for a longtime. How long? The United States has a long history of school vaccination requirements. The first school vaccination requirement was enacted in the 1850s in Massachusetts to prevent the spread of smallpox. The polio vaccine is required in every state in the U.S. for school age children

Yeah, but that statement isn't as clear-cut or as definitive as you think it might be. What you maybe didn't know or conveniently left out is that there are 44 states and Washington D.C. that grant religious exemptions for people who have religious objections to immunizations. Currently, 15 states also allow philosophical exemptions for children whose parents object to immunizations because of personal, moral or other beliefs. In other words, you can live in 44 states that allow you to have exemptions and not vaccinate your children.

If you want to travel to other countries or to the U.S. from other countries, various vaccines are mandated. Many of these are routine vaccines and boosters given children adults. Look for COVID vaccines to be mandated in more and more situations. Just today the pentagon moved to mandate Covid-19 vaccine for active duty military members. The list of corporations requiring employees be vaccinated is growing daily.  If you plan to travel to another country, better check first to see if a COVID vaccine is required.

Most countries don't require you to have vaccines in order to enter or leave. Few places (like Brazil) do, but most places don't. Correct me if I am wrong, but places I've traveled to including most of Europe, some African nations, the Caribbean, Canada and some South American countries did not. 

Look for mandates and requirements surrounding COVID to become stricter and more commonplace as the virus mutates and continues to spread causing additional fears among people who have power and influence over other folks.

Again, I am not a fan of mandates. I am a fan of human rights, not privileges than can be revoked.

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #160 on: August 09, 2021, 03:47:44 PM »
its actually the opposite

It's actually not. 

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #161 on: August 09, 2021, 04:25:30 PM »
Yeah, but that statement isn't as clear-cut or as definitive as you think it might be. What you maybe didn't know or conveniently left out is that there are 44 states and Washington D.C. that grant religious exemptions for people who have religious objections to immunizations. Currently, 15 states also allow philosophical exemptions for children whose parents object to immunizations because of personal, moral or other beliefs. In other words, you can live in 44 states that allow you to have exemptions and not vaccinate your children.

Most countries don't require you to have vaccines in order to enter or leave. Few places (like Brazil) do, but most places don't. Correct me if I am wrong, but places I've traveled to including most of Europe, some African nations, the Caribbean, Canada and some South American countries did not. 

Again, I am not a fan of mandates. I am a fan of human rights, not privileges than can be revoked.

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One More Rep are you in the healthcare industry? If so, (only answer if comfortable) did you get the vaccine?

Also I am open minded to what you all are saying. Can you guys explain to me what the ultimate plan for this is? Like what was the purpose? To fatten up Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson? If so why would so many be complicit in this? I'm trying to make sense of it.

I agree, what is the hysteria behind a virus that only kills like 1% of the population who also happen to have underlying conditions?

Also do you think the vaccine is a way to enact population control in the future? Like everyone who gets it will die? Or wouldn't it be easier to use it in reverse? Only the ones who get it will survive? Look at the countries with the most people vaccinated. They are Western Europe, North America, Australia, etc.

What are your thoughts?

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #162 on: August 09, 2021, 04:49:47 PM »
If you're being stripped of your livelihood, then yes, you're right to choose is being taken away. For instance, if you work at any major hospital in New York City, you have to get vaccinated or face termination. If you're a Physician who has established your life in NYC and have a wife and kids + a purchased home and decide you do not want to get vaccinated, this would mean that work would be almost impossible to find within NYC, as most Physicians in NYC depend on the big hospital institutions within NYC.

I am not too sure about that, only because I don't know what the vast majority of hospitals across the country are experiencing due to unvaccinated individuals. Again, unless I have the facts, I don't like to talk about these matters.

I am perfectly fine with a mask mandate.

I don't think this is a true. A virus will mutate in any setting, whether you're vaccinated or not. Hence why the Flu vaccine needs yearly tweaking, as the virus learns how to adopt to the various Flu vaccines that are put out on a yearly basis.

What does impact EVERYONE, young/old, vaccinated or unvaccinated is the idea of mandating vaccinations. If this occurs nationwide, it sets a precedent. Tomorrow, the government will then be able to mandate whatever they want and you will not have much to say about it.

Again, my stance is about your rights and basic freedoms. I believe the virus and its variants are real. I believe it can be very deadly in select age groups with certain comorbidities. I also agree with letting those interested in the vaccine, receive the vaccine. What I am simply against is mandating vaccines and taking away the basic right of an individual to choose. Realize, I am in New York City. We saw some of the worst numbers in terms of death throughout the USA. It's very real to all NY'ers, but our rights should still be even more important.

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I'm  fully in favor on any business requiring their employees to be vaccinated
I'm also in favor of any business exercising their choice to not serve or allow unvaccinated people into their businesses

To answer your other question here are 2 ER's in Texas that are shut temporarily shut down due to Covid.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/09/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html

From what I've read the vast majority (high 90% range) of Covid cases that require  hospitalization are the unvaccinated.

We also know (from what is being reported) that most vaccinated people are protected from the Delta variant  Yes, some do still get infected and when they do they can pass it along but the majority of the people getting sick enough to require hospitalization and passing it along are unvaccinated.

BTW - the school year is just starting so we can probably expect another spike in cases as more kids get sick and more kids pass  it along to their  unvaccinated parent. 

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #163 on: August 09, 2021, 04:52:26 PM »
Yeah, but that statement isn't as clear-cut or as definitive as you think it might be. What you maybe didn't know or conveniently left out is that there are 44 states and Washington D.C. that grant religious exemptions for people who have religious objections to immunizations. Currently, 15 states also allow philosophical exemptions for children whose parents object to immunizations because of personal, moral or other beliefs. In other words, you can live in 44 states that allow you to have exemptions and not vaccinate your children.

Most countries don't require you to have vaccines in order to enter or leave. Few places (like Brazil) do, but most places don't. Correct me if I am wrong, but places I've traveled to including most of Europe, some African nations, the Caribbean, Canada and some South American countries did not. 

Again, I am not a fan of mandates. I am a fan of human rights, not privileges than can be revoked.

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I do know about exemptions and did not conveniently leave that out. This doesn't change the fact that vaccinations are required and most people comply. You said, "Since when does government determine what's best for your health and force something upon you." If you can opt out, they aren't actually forced on us or our kids.

My son travels to Africa as part of his job. He is a U.S. government employee. Not sure what different African nations require but he has to keep his vaccines up to date. Not sure he could opt out of this and expect to keep his job.

I am not a fan of mandates and restrictions either. I simply posted links to what vaccines are required (with exceptions) by various institutions. I neither made those rules nor did I say I thought they were good ones.

I am not an "anti-vaxxer" but I also am not someone who gets vaccinated or takes medications just because someone, including my doctor says it is the right thing to do. As I've mentioned before, I got my first flu shot last year. The shingles vaccine has been around since 2006. Since I once had the shingles, my doctor advised me every year when I had my annual wellness checkup that I should get the vaccine. I finally did it last year. It was worth the wait because Shingrix is twice as effective as Zostavax and the immunity to shingles is much longer. I mainly got vaccinated against COVID because I have asthma and a history of bronchial pneumonia, plus I'm an old fart. All of those make me more susceptible to getting seriously ill if I were to contract COVID.

 

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #164 on: August 09, 2021, 04:52:44 PM »
One More Rep are you in the healthcare industry? If so, (only answer if comfortable) did you get the vaccine?

Not in the healthcare industry. I am an Accountant. I have a small accounting business that services small-medium sized businesses in NYC. Think along the lines of your local bars, small law practices, real estate agencies, nonfranchise restaurants, pool halls, investment property owners etc. Because of the nature of my business, I can receive all the information from my clients over emails (via scans) and some of the older clientele always prefer in-person exchange of documents which is fine by me.

My brother is a Physician and actually works for New York Presbyterian - Weill Cornell Hospital. In light of his role, I know many of his fellow Physicians that are not for the vaccine being forced on them. I have NOT received the vaccine. Why? Because I actually had COVID during the summer of 2020 and spent 3 weeks facing the worst Flu-like sickness of my life, but I recovered and since then have been perfectly fine. I didn't require a hospitalization, which allows me to feel blessed in many ways. I also believe that our immune systems are for the most part capable of fending this virus off. Children are spared in many respects, young adults that are not unhealthy tend to do well. Older adults who are sickly and with many comorbidities tend to get fucked and some even die. Luckily, I am in good shape and take no prescribed medications. I take an Aspirin and Vitamin D daily (that's it).

Also I am open minded to what you all are saying. Can you guys explain to me what the ultimate plan for this is? Like what was the purpose? To fatten up Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson? If so why would so many be complicit in this? I'm trying to make sense of it.

I am not sure about the purpose. Like many, I merely speculate. I do believe that if there is in fact a truly sinister plan behind all of this, we are too small in the grand scheme of things to be let in on the "plan". What I do believe is that this is the most aggressive campaign I have ever seen bestowed upon the human race. Short of the great World Wars, when else in history have we seen anything pushed so damn hard onto people? Everything about it just doesn't sit well with me. It's too forced and for what reasons I don't know. I think it's bigger than simply to fatten up pharmaceutical companies, but to what greater end I just don't know. There's rumors, conspiracies and all sorts of crazy shit in between. I try to not go down the rabbit hole as it's kind of scary when you think about some of those strange scenarios. I just know that if left to their own machinations, governments can go wrong and do atrocious things. We've seen it in history and this time is no different.

I agree, what is the hysteria behind a virus that only kills like 1% of the population who also happen to have underlying conditions?

I don't know why the hysteria. But like I said before, I don't think the virus is fake. I think and believe it is real. I think the variants are also real. But I also believe that our body's own immune systems can win this battle. This isn't the weapon of mass destruction that was destined to do away with all of humanity and I don't believe that there are many that believe that.

Also do you think the vaccine is a way to enact population control in the future? Like everyone who gets it will die? Or wouldn't it be easier to use it in reverse? Only the ones who get it will survive? Look at the countries with the most people vaccinated. They are Western Europe, North America, Australia, etc.

Could be used for population control, but god damn that would be sinister as fuck. I've seen just as many strange videos floating around (Agenda 21 type shit) over the last 1-2 years about secret upper society groups gathering in closed-door meetings discussing the eradication of a large percentage of our population in order to preserve resources and not let our natural resources dwindle to the point of people going extinct due to things like world hunger. Do I believe all of that shit is true? Not really. Can it be? Sure, anything is possible.

What are your thoughts?

My thoughts are simple. I think we should preserve human rights. I believe the right to choose what goes into our bodies is of paramount importance. I think the moment when we allow governments to dictate what goes into our bodies is the moment we have surrendered our freedoms as citizens of this world. The government works for us, not the other way around. We (throughout the world) have surrendered to our governments. Why? Because we are lazy and comfortable pieces of shit. We want shit to stay the same. We want to sit there watching our social media apps, distributing "likes" to our favorite influencers all day, buying shit we don't need to impress people we don't like. We want everything to stay the same, because we fear change with all of our might. We are creatures of habit and when shit doesn't go according to plan, we FREAK the fuck out. We aren't made like our ancestors were. We are programmed little slaves working for greater corporations that are slowly taking over the world.

My stance and views stem from my experiences. I don't expect anyone to side with my stance. I also respect everyone's choice to believe in what they want. I just don't like the optics behind what's going on. We're surrendering too easily.

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #165 on: August 09, 2021, 06:14:43 PM »
Its banned on FB

Here is another doctor laying down some smack...


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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #166 on: August 09, 2021, 06:21:22 PM »
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How is that even legal?  Nothing he was was inappropriate, and his knowledge and ability to speak was jaw dropping!  This guy should replace Fauci ASAP!

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #167 on: August 09, 2021, 06:35:26 PM »

. Why? Because I actually had COVID during the summer of 2020 and spent 3 weeks facing the worst Flu-like sickness of my life, but I recovered and since then have been perfectly fine. I didn't require a hospitalization, which allows me to feel blessed in many ways. I also believe that our immune systems are for the most part capable of fending this virus off. Children are spared in many respects, young adults that are not unhealthy tend to do well. Older adults who are sickly and with many comorbidities tend to get fucked and some even die. Luckily, I am in good shape and take no prescribed medications. I take an Aspirin and Vitamin D daily (that's it).

Covid for a healthy person is equivalent to Baby Flu which I got from my nephew several years ago, was sick for 10 days, blowing green vegetables out of my nose. 

They can at this point match your blood serum vs. anyone and determine if the person will have stay-at-home symptoms, hospitalization, or a ventilator with a covid cloud in their lungs. Ask your brother that.  The datum is at Syracuse University. 

It's child abuse and demonic for small children to get this bullshit in a syringe and even wear masks amongst each other. Let them infect each other and they will produce Honey Bagger antibodies. 

I have about 2 weeks to decide on my resignation.  My financials can hold me over 36 months with ease but it kills business opportunities and academics.

Why the hell didn't take a job in Canada?

Good push back in Cali so I'm going to see how things develop over the next 30 days?

Crazy thing is, I had lung inflammation last summer with no real symptoms other than shallow breathing. A serum test would be worthless now and my PCP is a POS!

 

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #168 on: August 09, 2021, 06:50:54 PM »
Covid for a healthy person is equivalent to Baby Flu which I got from my nephew several years ago, was sick for 10 days, blowing green vegetables out of my nose. 

They can at this point match your blood serum vs. anyone and determine if the person will have stay-at-home symptoms, hospitalization, or a ventilator with a covid cloud in their lungs. Ask your brother that.  The datum is at Syracuse University. 

It's child abuse and demonic for small children to get this bullshit in a syringe and even wear masks amongst each other. Let them infect each other and they will produce Honey Bagger antibodies. 

I have about 2 weeks to decide on my resignation.  My financials can hold me over 36 months with ease but it kills business opportunities and academics.

Why the hell didn't take a job in Canada?

Good push back in Cali so I'm going to see how things develop over the next 30 days?

Fucking insane that MANY people are having to face termination or resignation due to a mandated vaccine. That's so fucking un-American!

Speaking of places, what about Florida or Texas? Aren't they supposed to be like the last bastions for American freedoms?

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #169 on: August 09, 2021, 06:56:09 PM »
In the UK there were almost no flu deaths this flu season
They all got added to the covid stats
the 130k dead in the UK are pretty much anyone who has died of anything

ER flu positive rate at end of November 2015 - 2019 averaged 15.8% - just over 1 out of 6.

ER flu positive rate at end of November 2020 was 0.10% - just over 1 out of 1,000.

Did COVID precautions eradicate the flu? Or were COVID positives actually flu positives?  I don’t think we’ll ever know.

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #170 on: August 09, 2021, 06:56:46 PM »
Fucking insane that MANY people are having to face termination or resignation due to a mandated vaccine. That's so fucking un-American!

Speaking of places, what about Florida or Texas? Aren't they supposed to be like the last bastions for American freedoms?

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There was no masks @ King Faruk Obama birthday mega party on Saturday  ???.

"American" Covid must be dead ?.

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #171 on: August 09, 2021, 07:00:48 PM »

There was no masks @ King Faruk Obama birthday mega party on Saturday  ???.

"American" Covid must be dead ?.

“This is going to be safe. This is a sophisticated vaccinated crowd.”

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #172 on: August 09, 2021, 07:06:29 PM »
“This is going to be safe. This is a sophisticated vaccinated crowd.”

This maskless party mob 'kills' BoB Straw/Lurk,PedoPrime,Funk41 & other Bidenists  :D ;D ;D

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #173 on: August 09, 2021, 07:19:20 PM »
who is saying they don't have the right to choose

Their choices do effect everyone else though because it's the unvaccinated that are now overwhelming hospitals across this country and that impacts everyone

It's also the reason why many places have re-instituted mask mandates

It's also the unvaccinated that are allowing the virus to continue to have a large body of hosts that allow the variants to mutate

All those things impact everyone whether they are vaccinated or not
there’s not a single hospital overwhelmed where I live and I’m in a major metropolis.

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Re: Covid hoax unravelling
« Reply #174 on: August 09, 2021, 07:56:13 PM »
You know Straw Man would have the complete opposite take if Trump was still in the white house.