In few hours the USA will become world's leader by covid deaths

[jr]

So we automatically label somebody who had a heart attack as having died of corona and then conclude that the victims are under counted. OK.

The sudden rise in cardiac arrests over the previous year seems to match the rise in corona deaths. What other conclusions can be drawn from this data? Maybe hospitals were full of covid victims so heart attack victims couldn't be treated? But we've all seen the citizen videos of empty hospitals, so it can't be that. What else could it be?

[SF1900]

If someone has terminal cancer (say, a few weeks to live), gets COVID19 and passes away, is the death due to cancer or COVID19? Seems like cancer would be the better cause of death to list, but appears that would not be the case these days.

[mac33]

China has 21 million drop in mobile phone numbers and social app users could indicate that the death toll of china virus was massively downsized.

Original article:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200406190917/https://n5ti.com/health/1233/

And ex CNN Ryan Cooper "fact checking" false claims of the article for Lead stories:

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/04/fact-check-new-data-does-not-reveal-that-21-million-chinese-died-of-coronavirus.html

Article from feb 9 regarding Wuhan death toll:

https://www.ccn.com/billionaire-whistleblower-wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-is-over-50000/

[Mayday]

China has 21 million drop in mobile phone numbers and social app users could indicate that the death toll of china virus was

I gave plausible explanations to this before. I won't list them again but a poor country goes into lockdown where you can't leave your house, subscriptions get cancelled because you are on your wifi. Work phones are cancelled. Kids phones are cancelled etc.

You won't.hear.any reports.about mobile phone subscriptions increasing in April and May but it will increase.

[friedchickendinner]

On one hand you can't trust the chinese.

On the other hand, you know that the chinese can do whatever they want to battle a virus spread, all the force, all the technology, all the hospital workers etc they need.
They don't need to sit around and wait for others to agree due decisions or care what people have to say.
As undemocratic as this is, we cannot criticize it's efficiency.

[Flexacon]

The sudden rise in cardiac arrests over the previous year seems to match the rise in corona deaths. What other conclusions can be drawn from this data? Maybe hospitals were full of covid victims so heart attack victims couldn't be treated? But we've all seen the citizen videos of empty hospitals, so it can't be that. What else could it be?

I posted in another thread of the link between Cardiac arrest and covid19.

Cardiac arrest isn't an unexpected outcome of the virus.

Suffering a bad case of covid19 taxes your body in a way similar to running a marathon everyday, hence the aches and fatigue.

If you're really unhealthy or have some kinda heart disease then you're in dangerous territory. Also people are fighting, recovering and walking away from covid19 and 2 days later their heart gives up because of stress their bodies went through

[Thin Lizzy]

The sudden rise in cardiac arrests over the previous year seems to match the rise in corona deaths. What other conclusions can be drawn from this data? Maybe hospitals were full of covid victims so heart attack victims couldn't be treated? But we've all seen the citizen videos of empty hospitals, so it can't be that. What else could it be?

That was a times article in which a doctor said a lot of people with cardiac conditions were afraid of going to the hospital and therefore died at home.

You obviously don’t want to accept  that there is a scam taking place. Every one of these areas is a black and Hispanic shit hole that already had horrible health outcomes. The scam is in the testing. You test people in these areas in order to jack up the numbers.



https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/12/coronavirus-update-de-blasio-says-rate-of-increase-in-cases-has-slowed/

The mayor said he aims to create community testing sites by the end of the week at:
* East New York, Brooklyn
* Morrisania, the Bronx
* Harlem
* Jamaica, Queens
* The Vanderbilt Clinic on Staten Island


East New YorK


The racial makeup of the neighborhood was 63.6% (58,453) African American, 3.0% (2,764) Asian, 1.3% (1,240) White, 0.3% (291) Native American, 0.0% (38) Pacific Islander, 0.7% (683) from other races, and 1.3% (1,237) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 29.6% (27,252) of the population.[3]

[Griffith]

On one hand you can't trust the chinese.

On the other hand, you know that the chinese can do whatever they want to battle a virus spread, all the force, all the technology, all the hospital workers etc they need.
They don't need to sit around and wait for others to agree due decisions or care what people have to say.
As undemocratic as this is, we cannot criticize it's efficiency.

No wasting time, just throw them in the oven alive.

[Thin Lizzy]

No wasting time, just throw them in the oven alive.

He is right that China can take more draconian measures.

That said, this is the REAL story:



https://boingboing.net/2019/02/16/systemic-risk-2.html

China's real-estate bubble is the largest in human history, and despite years of warning signs, it has grown and grown, spilling over into the rest of the world.

It's hard to overstate just how crazy China's real-estate market is: 25% of the country's GDP comes from construction, and 80% of the nation's wealth is in domestic property holdings. That's $65T, nearly double the size of the economies of every G7 nation combined.

The market has been kept afloat through China's massive "shadow banking" system, itself such a systemic risk that the Chinese government has been forced to crack down on it. Now, China's massive, blue-chip property developers have had their debt downrated to CCC and are struggling to issue new bonds -- Moody's rates the debt of 51 out of 61 Chinese property companies as "junk."

China has 65 million vacant residences, but prices remain stubbornly high, even in "tier-two" cities like Jinan, where a 1000sqft apartment costs RMB2M, while a worker may only earn RMB6,000/month.

[Griffith]

He is right that China can take more draconian measures.

That said, this is the REAL story:



https://boingboing.net/2019/02/16/systemic-risk-2.html

China's real-estate bubble is the largest in human history, and despite years of warning signs, it has grown and grown, spilling over into the rest of the world.

It's hard to overstate just how crazy China's real-estate market is: 25% of the country's GDP comes from construction, and 80% of the nation's wealth is in domestic property holdings. That's $65T, nearly double the size of the economies of every G7 nation combined.

The market has been kept afloat through China's massive "shadow banking" system, itself such a systemic risk that the Chinese government has been forced to crack down on it. Now, China's massive, blue-chip property developers have had their debt downrated to CCC and are struggling to issue new bonds -- Moody's rates the debt of 51 out of 61 Chinese property companies as "junk."

China has 65 million vacant residences, but prices remain stubbornly high, even in "tier-two" cities like Jinan, where a 1000sqft apartment costs RMB2M, while a worker may only earn RMB6,000/month.

And even before this crisis, they have huge ghost cities, buildings of empty apartments.

Don't know who is going to maintain them, as those occupied already have severe maintenance issues as the 'owners' of the buildings are only leasing.

[friedchickendinner]

Just when you thought Getbiggers couldnt host more experts, it turns out Getbiggers are also experts on everything China!

[el numero uno]

If someone has terminal cancer (say, a few weeks to live), gets COVID19 and passes away, is the death due to cancer or COVID19? Seems like cancer would be the better cause of death to list, but appears that would not be the case these days.

My general assumption in this sort of situation is that if something seems very obvious to me but not obvious to a bunch of people who do something like this professionally, the issue is usually that I’m lacking some important context or piece of knowledge that they have.