Author Topic: Natural or not? (Read 12000 times)

240 is Back · « **Reply #25 on:** April 20, 2006, 12:08:34 AM »

Croatch is an anti-steroid former gear experimentor. Period.

gh15 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 20, 2006, 12:08:42 AM »

Quote from: ignorance on April 20, 2006, 12:00:26 AM

^ I Concur. Croatch give it up, You did steriods, didn't like them or drop them however you want to put it, and now your working on your body without using steriods. Fine, But your not Natural! you and others who are in the same boat can cry and bitch about how clean they have been for how many years, but your not natural, your clean. There is a different. Once you come to terms with this, you'll thank this thread for it.

very good post. 100% on the spot.

240 is Back · « **Reply #27 on:** April 20, 2006, 12:10:59 AM »

Quote from: ignorance on April 20, 2006, 12:00:26 AM

^ I Concur. Croatch give it up, You did steriods, didn't like them or drop them however you want to put it, and now your working on your body without using steriods. Fine, But your not Natural! you and others who are in the same boat can cry and bitch about how clean they have been for how many years, but your not natural, your clean. There is a different. Once you come to terms with this, you'll thank this thread for it.

Holy crap, that is completely accurate. Awesome post.

There can't be a gray line. Use for one day, use for ten years. If you have ever used, you're not natural. And as much as Croatch HATES steroid users, that has to be a hard issue to face.

ignorance · « **Reply #28 on:** April 20, 2006, 12:20:33 AM »

Seems I'm picking on Croatch here, sorry but from your past post your trying to convince yourself and others that your natural, which your not. Sure your current gains are coming without gear, but you did steriods. Admit it.. your not natural.

Croatch and any others in this Grey area, say this out loud:

"I did steriods. I'm not natural. I'm clean. And Now I'm cured!"

Repeat until you see desired results.

Samourai Pizzacat · « **Reply #29 on:** April 20, 2006, 04:25:39 AM »

Never used=natural
stopped using=clean

It ain't that hard to figure out.

Captain Equipoise · « **Reply #30 on:** April 20, 2006, 06:24:35 AM »

Quote from: ignorance on April 20, 2006, 12:20:33 AM

Seems I'm picking on Croatch here, sorry but from your past post your trying to convince yourself and others that your natural, which your not. Sure your current gains are coming without gear, but you did steriods. Admit it.. your not natural.

Croatch and any others in this Grey area, say this out loud:

"I did steriods. I'm not natural. I'm clean. And Now I'm cured!"

Repeat until you see desired results.

I did steroids, I'm not natural. I'll be clean till late May

Croatch · « **Reply #31 on:** April 20, 2006, 06:50:19 AM »

I'm finally coming to grips with reality. I am a gearhead and my name is Croatch. Thanks everyone.

The Luke · « **Reply #32 on:** April 20, 2006, 12:40:01 PM »

Stop picking on Croatch....

If he's not natural then neither is anyone who was administered steroids while convalescing in a hospital. That's plainly ridiculous. A line in the sand is one thing, a line across a grain of sand is quite another.

Yes Croatch used steroids, he has admitted that (something most pros don't have the balls to do). He claims he didn't get any gains.... that's relatively believeable, some people don't. Since then he has built a quality physique (from scratch!) without steroids (something most juicers don't have the balls to do).

How do we know all this about him from an anonymous internet message board?

Because he has posted pictures and videos of himself several times to prove it (something most GetBiggers don't have the balls to do).

Keep doing your thing dude! Croatch on!!

The Luke

Dingleberry · « **Reply #33 on:** April 20, 2006, 01:00:35 PM »

Croatch, how is it in one thread you said you could get up to pro level weight (240 clean pounds) in just six months of gear usage. On the other hand (from what was stated above), you said you made no gains from it.

!!
I see guys all the time who take shit and don't grow worth a damn because they don't follow the basic principles of gaining weight - Lift heavy, eat lots of quality foods, get enough sleep. It sounds to me like you're bitter at all users because you didn't make any gains from it. It reminds me of the mentality of ex-smokers. Maybe I'm wrong and you can explain this to me?

Captain Equipoise · « **Reply #34 on:** April 20, 2006, 04:06:39 PM »

Quote from: The Luke on April 20, 2006, 12:40:01 PM

Stop picking on Croatch....

If he's not natural then neither is anyone who was administered steroids while convalescing in a hospital. That's plainly ridiculous. A line in the sand is one thing, a line across a grain of sand is quite another.

Yes Croatch used steroids, he has admitted that (something most pros don't have the balls to do). He claims he didn't get any gains.... that's relatively believeable, some people don't. Since then he has built a quality physique (from scratch!) without steroids (something most juicers don't have the balls to do).

How do we know all this about him from an anonymous internet message board?

Because he has posted pictures and videos of himself several times to prove it (something most GetBiggers don't have the balls to do).

Keep doing your thing dude! Croatch on!!

The Luke

What proof do we really have to support that he's natural??? his word? (on an anyonymous internet bodybuilding board) for all we know he could be ramming as much gear as the pro's and be using his 'pro-natural' shtick as a front. A lot of people vehemently deny their gear usage and will argue to the death that they are clean and juice free, yet at the same time they're injecting everything under the sun in the confines of their property.

HowieW · « **Reply #35 on:** April 20, 2006, 04:10:17 PM »

Quote from: ignorance on April 18, 2006, 10:56:25 PM

^ I agree.

So your natural for so many years, then you do a cycle, f**k it your not 'natural' anymore; no matter how long you have been 'off the juice' Natural Means "NATURAL", not, now I've seen the Emperor's ugly face, I want to go back to being clean. Doesn't work that way.

There are three areas: Light side [Natural] : Grey area [Past user/Totally clean now] : Dark side [Gear User]

Croatch falls into the Grey Area weather he likes it or not.

Take the nitro out of the dragster and it runs slower , then and there.
Howard

analcandy · « **Reply #36 on:** April 21, 2006, 02:53:34 AM »

Quote from: ignorance on April 18, 2006, 10:56:25 PM

^ I agree.

So your natural for so many years, then you do a cycle, f**k it your not 'natural' anymore; no matter how long you have been 'off the juice' Natural Means "NATURAL", not, now I've seen the Emperor's ugly face, I want to go back to being clean. Doesn't work that way.

There are three areas: Light side [Natural] : Grey area [Past user/Totally clean now] : Dark side [Gear User]

Croatch falls into the Grey Area weather he likes it or not.

agree.

sorry croatch, but nobody believes you re a natural anymore after your claim, get over it.

First time i saw your videos i thought "its pretty hard to believe hes natural", and it was BEFORE you claimed having a very "little" cycle in the past...yeah even before knowing you did a cycle, everyone had a hard time believing you were natural.

To say the least there are some parts in your body that looks natural, but others that look "enhanced", far beyond what someone s natural could obtain.

to me this an123 guy, the best natural guy in my book one getbig, is the real natural deal, no overdeveloped shoulders and traps, no incredible vascularity ....he s NATURAL and he looks like he is.

So do the maths, what do you think we people are thinking about you know?

Sorry, but there s no way a natural can pack on mass like you, its beyond believable when we look at your videos.

Now stop bieng a bob chick or a shawn ray, claiming things that are obviously wrong.

And there s nothing personnal here, no hate, you still are ok in my book, with soime interesting posts, but now you ve turned into a guy who constently make excuses in every and each of his posts.

GET OVER IT!

rocket · « **Reply #37 on:** April 21, 2006, 02:58:08 AM »

Natural = not experimented with steroids.

The end.

The Luke · « **Reply #38 on:** April 21, 2006, 10:02:07 AM »

Ehhhhh.....

Croatch could easily be natural, despite analcandy's protestations.... afterall, I'm a lifetime natural and I'm bigger than Croatch.

Oh, and for the record, I'm the best natural on GetBig.

The Luke

LuciusFox · « **Reply #39 on:** April 21, 2006, 01:23:45 PM »

Quote from: The Luke on April 21, 2006, 10:02:07 AM

Ehhhhh.....

Croatch could easily be natural, despite analcandy's protestations.... afterall, I'm a lifetime natural and I'm bigger than Croatch.

Oh, and for the record, I'm the best natural on GetBig.

The Luke

Alexxx makes you look like someone who should be playing on a see-saw

The Luke · « **Reply #40 on:** April 21, 2006, 02:28:55 PM »

Lucius Fox,

As I've mentioned here before, the few, the brave, the Naturals here on GetBig will soon be running a friendly "Video Your Max Lifts" thread on the Natural Board. (I'll be policing the thread)

The categories will be:
Max Bench for 5 clean reps
Max Squat for 5 clean reps
Max Deadlift for 5 clean reps
(and possibly.... 315 lb Squat for maximum reps "The Platz Challenge")
...all lifts to be verified by (reasonably) clear video.

The competition is purely for bragging rights and the personal bests of every participant will be posted. The competition is also (obviously for the Natural Board) only open to those bodybuilding using the force; no dark-siders.

I'll be posting a few vids in the Natural Board's competiton, (which starts next month [May '06] by the way).... then we'll see who the best naturals here on GetBig are.

Alexxx, 240, Croatch and the rest of you guys.... you've been warned. You'll have to back it up soon enough.

The Luke

Captain Equipoise · « **Reply #41 on:** April 21, 2006, 02:44:54 PM »

Quote from: The Luke on April 21, 2006, 02:28:55 PM

Lucius Fox,

As I've mentioned here before, the few, the brave, the Naturals here on GetBig will soon be running a friendly "Video Your Max Lifts" thread on the Natural Board. (I'll be policing the thread)

The categories will be:
Max Bench for 5 clean reps
Max Squat for 5 clean reps
Max Deadlift for 5 clean reps
(and possibly.... 315 lb Squat for maximum reps "The Platz Challenge")
...all lifts to be verified by (reasonably) clear video.

The competition is purely for bragging rights and the personal bests of every participant will be posted. The competition is also (obviously for the Natural Board) only open to those bodybuilding using the force; no dark-siders.

I'll be posting a few vids in the Natural Board's competiton, (which starts next month [May '06] by the way).... then we'll see who the best naturals here on GetBig are.

Alexxx, 240, Croatch and the rest of you guys.... you've been warned. You'll have to back it up soon enough.

The Luke

This is a bodybuilding site, not a powerlifting one.. who cares what you lift, it's how you look.

The Luke · « **Reply #42 on:** April 21, 2006, 02:49:50 PM »

Won't a video of you lifting show how you look?

The Luke

jaejonna · « **Reply #43 on:** April 21, 2006, 02:51:42 PM »

Bodybuilders shouldnt worry bout poundages, more about pump ??
Right or Wrong ??

jaejonna · « **Reply #44 on:** April 21, 2006, 02:57:02 PM »

WEll Actually....

"1. Motivation provides the energy needed until success is achieved. Success does not have to mean finishing first, but satisfaction that you've done your best and stayed focused toward your personal goals.

2. Always warm up properly. This can be done by spending 7-10 minutes on the exercise bike, treadmill, or walking track. Also be careful when stretching. Don't overdo it, especially when the weather is cool.

3. Muscle responds to resistance and stimulus. It doesn't know the difference between 100 lb. And 400 lb. So train the muscle by using proper form and technique. And keep the ego in check. When performing overhead pressing, rowing, or squatting movements, use a weight belt to protect the lower back.

4. In order to stimulate muscle mass, basic, explosive training of the muscle groups must be performed. For example, chest-bench press, shoulder-military, biceps-barbell curls, etc. Be mindful that it doesn't take a ton of weight to stimulate a muscle to grow, just the correct stimulus.
5. Many people use too heavy a weight during an exercise, resulting in imprecise, sloppy form, exercising their egos more than shocking muscles into growth."

-Lee Haney

jonno gb · « **Reply #45 on:** April 21, 2006, 02:57:36 PM »

I would disagree JJ.You can get a pump using light weights for loadsa reps but you wouldn't build too much muscle.

Croatch · « **Reply #46 on:** April 21, 2006, 02:57:50 PM »

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sorry croatch, but nobody believes you re a natural anymore after your claim, get over it.

Sorry, none of my gains came from drug use. I did one 2 month cycle in 94', gained 30-40lbs in 2 months, of mainly bloat weight. Dropped it all a few months later, stopped lifting for a few years, started lifting again for another year or so, stopped for 2 years, came back in 2002 at 150lbs. Made ALL my gains natural.
Show me one juicer who put on 50lbs with drug use, then dropped all of it, then regained it naturally. Sorry, doesn't happen really.
Nothing to get over, just stating facts.
Croatch on...
M E L T D O W N
Self Owning
Brutal Honesty

jaejonna · « **Reply #47 on:** April 21, 2006, 03:04:01 PM »

Quote from: jonno gb on April 21, 2006, 02:57:36 PM

I would disagree JJ.You can get a pump using light weights for loadsa reps but you wouldn't build too much muscle.

No one said the wieght would be light, Im saying you wouldnt have to use a ton. Furthermore, the load of reps im talking bout is 8-12

The Luke · « **Reply #48 on:** April 21, 2006, 04:05:00 PM »

There seems to be a persistent reassertion on this board that anyone displaying any noticeable muscle must be a steroid user; that anyone claiming to be natural while over 150 lbs is actually a closet juicer and that the only naturally attainable physique is the one you're born with.

It's bullshit.

A little healthy competition among the naturals should help dispell these ridiculous prejudices. We have several naturals here on GetBig who weigh over 200 lbs, bench/squat/deadlift in the 300/400/500 region, yet are afraid to post pics/vids for fear of the hate and negativity. Not to mention the hijacking of threads with endless "Squad" self-amusement and in-jokes..."Monster triceps", "What a Beast" etc. etc.

Which is a pity.

Hopefully, Croatch will join in... he's more than welcome. Remember, ALL personal bests for EACH participant will be posted. Croatch won't have to worry about being left out just because his poundages won't be as heavy as mine.

The Luke

LuciusFox · « **Reply #49 on:** April 21, 2006, 07:18:16 PM »

Quote from: The Luke on April 21, 2006, 02:28:55 PM

Lucius Fox,

As I've mentioned here before, the few, the brave, the Naturals here on GetBig will soon be running a friendly "Video Your Max Lifts" thread on the Natural Board. (I'll be policing the thread)

The categories will be:
Max Bench for 5 clean reps
Max Squat for 5 clean reps
Max Deadlift for 5 clean reps
(and possibly.... 315 lb Squat for maximum reps "The Platz Challenge")
...all lifts to be verified by (reasonably) clear video.

The competition is purely for bragging rights and the personal bests of every participant will be posted. The competition is also (obviously for the Natural Board) only open to those bodybuilding using the force; no dark-siders.

I'll be posting a few vids in the Natural Board's competiton, (which starts next month [May '06] by the way).... then we'll see who the best naturals here on GetBig are.

Alexxx, 240, Croatch and the rest of you guys.... you've been warned. You'll have to back it up soon enough.

The Luke

This sounds like a great idea! I would do it, but I don't want to embarrass myself.